Lol how can you possibly blame them? A huge section of gamers and basically all the gaming media during that era acted like hating Killzone (usually without playing it) gave them some sort of hardcore credibility. And the games didn't sell that much either; 2 & 3 were the biggest and most estimates have them at around 3 million each. Horizon Zero Dawn probably outsold the entire Killzone franchise even before the PC port.
It's wild seeing so many people wanting ...
Not a surprise at all after hearing the launch sales numbers (1 million in four days) and seeing the steam concurrents (topped out at 24k).
So now we know what the shield against all legitimate criticisms is going to be for this game. When it comes out if people point to technical issues, poor writing, grindy mechanics, etc, they are just going to be told "well you REALLY just don't like the female character design and you're an incel."
Same thing recently happened with Star Wars Outlaws. After it came out if you criticized the weak stealth mechanics and poor enemy AI you were immediately tol...
The encouraging thing is that this million is just sales in the first three days, not up through today. Given the low steam concurrents at launch, this announcement suggests the game is selling very well on PS5. It could easily be more than halfway to that four million number by the end of October, especially if there is some strategic marketing around Halloween. Your concern is merited though in the sense that the sales can't fall off a cliff in November and December.
You are sort of right in that devs/pubs always find a way to take the wrong lesson from failures. They launch bad singleplayer games that fail and then the lesson they learn is that singleplayer games are dead, not that gamers don't want bad games. If they launch a game with live service elements and it fails, the lesson they learn is that the game wasn't enough of a live service, not that gamers didn't want a live service at all.
I wouldn't let the fact that Obscure is hyping this game affect your interest in it just because he is equally willing to hype obvious nonsense. This game looks like one of the rare examples of a game that manages to combine the good aspects of 2000s PC game design with modern quality of life improvements without introducing every negative aspect of modern game design.
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You are right that Steam numbers aren't everything, but they are the only data that is always publicly available that can be used to compare numbers from one game to the next. Obviously we get charts from certain regions, and those can be helpful, but they are imperfect. A game can launch in a slow week and be #1 while a different game that launches in a bigger week can sell more units but only come in at #3 due to heavier competition. Same thing with monthly ch...
It's always a huge turnoff when a dev adds unnecessary magic powers into what could otherwise be a decent shooter.
Do we know yet whether this one made a ton of money? Steam concurrents only got up to about 24k, which isn't terrible, but it's far from a hit on there. And while I'd expect sales of this game to skew more heavily to PlayStation, the PS5 sales will probably need to be pretty considerable to balance out what look to be low PC sales.
Shh don't point out to people that they spend ~$1000 every two years on a phone. That's totally different because many of them spread the cost out into exorbitant monthly payments. Also price complaints that apply to all aspects of life magically don't apply to apple products.
Yep people always want a console to be $400-$500 at launch but then they are whining a year or two later because the CPU is weak.
Still, I don't think either Sony or MS will go to $700 for the next gen, unless sales of PS5 Pro end up being super strong or we have another few years of bad inflation.
You really can't be so naive that you think that people with a nefarious agenda write their nefarious agenda down on a publicly available word document titled "Nefarious Agenda," can you?
I'm sure you'll concede that many companies in the world have discriminated against various minorities in hiring. Do you think all of those companies have a paper they hand to their HR department that says "Groups We Discriminate Against," or do you think it...
I don't think very many PS5 owners, other than the types who frequent sites like this one, even know about Until Dawn in the first place.
I agree, but people are attacking Rockstar right now for doing only a simple port with minor upgrades with Red Dead Redemption on PC.
Still available on US PSN. It's under "Until Dawn 2015." $20.
Cool. Great sales for a game of this style.
I don't disagree with any of your points, nor am I covering for Sony. I'm pointing out that people on here make inherently inconsistent criticisms all the time.
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Everyone when this remaster was announced: We don't need this! It's a waste of time! Everyone who wanted HZD has already bought it!
Everyone now: They took down the old version of HZD! That's unacceptable! I was totally going to buy HZD on PC in three years! How dare they!
I agree with all of that, especially with respect to Killzone 2. Unfortunately with 3 there were certain aspects where it felt like a suit from Sony had walked into Guerrilla 2/3 of the way through development and said "my son plays those Call to Duty and Halos games, you need to change this to be more like those." It still was it's own thing, but 2 just had more of a distinct feel in terms of the guns feeling like they actually had weight, etc.
Yeah I don'...