It is true that 4870 does beat up 6670. However:
The rumoured chip for Wii U has always been a RV700 derivative. This could be anything in the HD 4xxx range. From the 4350 and up. We assume above this, because it is supposed to be faster than xbox 360. So we assume a 46xx (RV730) class or better.
Then another rumour specifies RV770- Everyone then assumes this means a 4870, but technically the RV770 was also a host of graphics chips.
For examp...
This is what they should look like. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
This was a tech demo that ran realtime to promote the performance of the 8800GTX 5 years ago. The head had a big poly count: http://img22.imagevenue.com... but the lighting/shadows are completely realtime too....
We are reaching the point where you can afford to throw 10 million polygons on screen at once. You can have as much as you want to build very detailed surfaces and characters, objects etc. when tesselated.
I agree that there is a finite number of polygons needed to describe an object and we aren't that far away from reaching that. At this point the GPU architecture is likely to shift increasingly to other more important areas.
Long story short: If you rewind and go back to the time where 6670 would have been a top end card like inside the top 3 fastest single GPU cards you would have to go way back to early 2008 before the HD Radeon 4800 and GTX2xx series launched.
If the rumours hold out and Microsoft launch this thing in early 2013, that will mean then the hardware inside it would be 5 years old.
I hoped for a lot more. At least a 6870 sort of speed. I hope sony go with at least ...
I wouldn't say vastly. It helps a lot that the developer knows exactly the hardware the game is gonna be built for, it helps that the fixed platform means they can root out all the tricks and find performance the equivalent part on PC wouldn't be capable as it is burdened by several levels of access i.e drivers whereas consoles have direct to metal access.
Xenos in 360 is a clever GPU, but it is still easily beaten in the real world, in a PC, by something like an 8800...
6 times as fast. 6670. Microsoft must be trying to build a fairly cheap machine then. 360 and PS3 were easily 10+ times faster than their predecessors not forgetting 360 in particular benefitted from a wonderful toolset compared to what Ps2 had. 6670 isn't really 6 times faster either TBH, its more like 4 times or so. Realistically 4 times, not just because they almost certainly wouldn't use the sort of clockspeeds the part in PC would run.
This is actually fairly wea...
We are still a way away from that yet, at least a month most likely. Nvidia are probably leaking this stuff themselves to slow down the amount of people jumping on the new Radeons without comparing to an Nvidia part.
I always get fairly excited before a new GPU generation launches. Sad i know, but i just enjoy seeing new cards beating up games that were previously harder to run.
For example if you look at what the 7970 can do to Crysis now, its brilliant....
"Familiar with chess? It's one of the best games in existence, and not because it's optimised to run on a quad core."
Chess isn't only a videogame. Chess isn't based on technology. You can play chess with a set of stones on a beach. Try that with Battlefield 3. Try playing battlefield 3 on your Zx spectrum and getting the same sort of experience as you would with it on a console powered by the developments seen in personal computer gaming.
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Gaming by its very nature is based on technology. Technology by its very nature keeps moving forward. Don't be a road block to the future. Stand there looking back to the past all you please- nobody complains when you do. But don't pretend PC gaming and PC gamers are doing anything but pushing gaming as a whole towards the future. I don't mean just graphics either.
This is the classic article that arrives every time a console generation nears its end, only to be...
My GTX570 gets 6500 in 3dmark 11 like that GTX580 lightning. But then it is overclocked like a beast lol
Interestingly the 7950 sample here overclocks tastily... 800mhz stock to 1030mhz with an OC is a cracking overclock. Thats over 25 percent on the core!! (although the performance gain is about 15 percent on that benchmark) Far better ratio than the 6950/6970 before them which struggled to manage over 10 percent. You have to hope these are not 'cherry picked' samp...
Pretty much the performance i predicted before 7970 launched- i didn't quite expect 7970 to be quite so expensive though. AMD have not really done anyone any favours, they have not crushed the performance/price structure downwards with these cards. They have just preserved it instead by pricing 7970 over GTX580, and 7950 to match it rather than undercut it.
This a shame, but i suppose AMD aren't in the business of forcing Nvidia to lower their prices, only to make m...
Anubusgold. Or should i say that you are clearly an aka awi5851. Don't pretend you aren't- it is clearly just a multiple account because you use all the same tone of language, grammar and spelling. Not to mention your short comment history just full of abuse against other users. How lame.
I don't care what you are waffling on about. I am not an Nvidia fanboy, but i know you are an AMD one.
560ti is faster than 6870. End. Of. Discussion.
awi5961: "That crap is from october and not using the latest drivers. I have the card in now and i get 35 to 50 fps easy benchmarks dont mean crap. My system says otherwise."
You are talking a load of crap i am afraid. The latest drivers have not changed to make the 6870 faster than the 560Ti. The latest drivers have not suddenly made it quicker than the 560ti when it has always been slower overall. The Nvidia is STILL FASTER. Ok? Accept the fact that it is.
It depends on the game f789790....If the game is CPU bound you see a great deal more than a couple of frames. If it is more GPU bound, you will see little or nothing.
GPU is without question the key component, but if you have a good GPU then you will see benefits in a lot of popular games by having a fast intel CPU. The faster GPU you have, the more you need a fast CPU. More games are CPU bound than you think!
Call of duty for one, that can be a very CPU ...
awi5951....wut? Here are the benchmarks for the very games you mentioned.
560ti beats up 6870. So it should- it is usually a tad more expensive at least in the uk. http://www.guru3d.com/artic... Here we see 560Ti winning in every resolution in BF3 including all the ones most people play in, except the very top one, where neither cards are rem...
Intel + Nvidia right now for me. Intel is undisputably the boss of the CPU game, if you have a budget over 150 quid for a CPU, the only choice is intel.
As for the Radeons i have had countless Radeons in the past but lean towards Nvidia. I used and loved a bunch such as the magnificent 9800 pro, X800, X1900, 5870 etc. Whatever seemed best at the time. I usually ended up with more Nvidia hardware though- Ti4600, 6800GT, 7800GT, 7900GS, 8800GT SLI, GTX570 etc.
No, but Crysis 2 did do it about 6 months ago when the game was patched to tesselate in DX11.
Not with the characters true, but with lots of other objects that easily exceed 1 million polys. Lost planet 2 DX11 PC and a few other games have very high poly count meshes.
This sort of thing will become more common this year for high end PC games. Expect to see several more DX11 enabled PC games exploiting polygon counts in excess of 1 million for several obje...
kikizoo:
"Consoles (sony's ones) at launch are more powerfull than any existing pc most of the time (like ps3 at launch)...it's only after 2,3 years than pc can compete (but only some games, because dev can't make games running only on best pc))"
No lol. By the time PS3 got itself on the market, you could get a PC with a core 2 duo and an 8800GTX. This sort of machine vastly outperforms PS3. 8800GTX is easily twice as fast as what is...
This article should be red hot and on the first page, if the console guys read my post they will understand why.
Demerjian and his site has always been exceptionally critical of Nvidia. Even when Nvidia have delivered good parts that do beat AMD, he has little good to say about it. He went to town with Fermi, citing terrible yields and high power consumption and expense as disaster. Endless long critical articles on it. These were problems but in truth Fermi is a decent arc...
I want concrete specs too. People have been banging on about 1080p with 3D, Samaritan style visuals and all these things that really demand major GPU performance for the past few years. Having only a 6670 would be the KO blow to all these ambitions.
So really enough speculation and lets see how Microsoft are gonna pitch this thing. Are they gonna low ball on the specs and deliver a cheaper machine?
Chances are we will not know for an absolute certainty until ...