"It's also got a far superior online compared to Conduit (its main competitor on Wii). You don't spawn in walls or off the map, or wait 8 minutes to connect, find a match and load it. Yet that game scored higher.
Makes no sense."
Twin, you're overlooking the obvious and clearly insurmountable flaw that not including IGN personnel in the game's credits poses to Reflex's core gameplay.
Q1 2010 cannot get here fast enough.
"Ubi better not screw this one up"
Isn't this game shipping with a motion-plus bundle? That alone should guarantee the sale of a truckload of copies.
"This is probabloy the core reason why there have been anti-wii article after anti-wii article flooding n4g these days."
Shnazz, you have to understand, it's more or less been this way around here from the beginning. Rewind three years and you have people complaining about the name, or what the controller looks like, or the lack of graphical power. A year later, you have all the complaints abut the marketing push for fitness games and getting non-traditional consumers...
"-Strange isn't it, there aren't even 30 3rd party games on that list"
Not really, if you actually read the top of that list: "This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completion."
"Of course the game isn't that great but given the amount of hype"
Overhype. Which the game did not come even remotely close to satisfying.
"the number of Wii owners"
Is functionally irrelevant.
"Even if only a small fraction of Wii owners are "hardcore", it should still be enough to ensure titles such as The Conduit, Dead Space, House of the Dead: Overkill, MadWorld, No More Heroes, etc do better ...
Seriously.
"What's shocking is people believed he actually said it."
How is it shocking? I imagine a good number of people on this site are part of the tinfoil hat crowd who honestly believe that the Wii shortages were an intentional conspiracy on Nintendo's part -- evidently, a conspiracy to make less money.
Forget about people having an even vaguely sane idea of how businesses actually work in the real world, we're in bat country.
"Regardless of what you say, these are good averages and estimates and generally hold true to actual consumer opinion."
I'm curious. How can something hold more true to actual consumer opinion than *actual consumers*?
Please, I'd love to hear what the justification is for why the opinion of five or ten, or in the really extreme case theoretically a hundred, random gaming sites is even remotely useful in gauging the opinion of tens of millions of people....
"These are scores and opinions taken from around the world"
Around the world? Their threshold is five reviews. You actually believe that you can use five reviews to reliably gauge the opinion of any significant group of people? Sure, some games get as many as, uh, let's say 100 reviews if they're called GTA IV. You're going to tell me that you actually believe that a sample size of 100 (at best) is a reliable estimate for how the game is received by the millions of po...
"A Wii game, on average, only has about a 10% chance of being considered a quality title worthy of purchase (8 out of 10 score or higher)... [bunch of stuff about review aggregate sites]"
Which would be relevant if Metacritic weren't terrible and/or customers selected games completely at random. Are you also under the impression that most consumers are from Mars?
'It was obviously above your grasp and comprehension of the point that i was trying to get across"
As I said above, I was simply offering some friendly advice, which you for some reason are getting strangely defensive over.
"You on the other hand feel the need to bullet point my comments and derive meaningless arguments from them."
Argument? Hardly. Arguing would imply that I was trying to convince you of anything. I was merely point...
"And Silent Hill was just an example. The series hasn't been good since 1 and 2."
If the series hasn't been good since the PS2 days, why bring up the terrible HD iteration?
"And wow i'm very sorry for misspelling Kart with Cart, does it even matter?"
If you're trying to make a point, it usually behooves you to make a point correctly. If, for example, you make a point in the manner of an illiterate, then you come off as rather ...
"The only games i own for my Wii are Zelda and Mario Cart"
Kart. Mario Kart. That's how they've spelled the title for, uh, the past eight games and seventeen years.
"Aside from the WiiWare titles I've purchased due to not already owning them for my cartridge consoles."
You mean the Virtual Console; that's the one with all the older stuff like the games from the NES and SNES and the like. Wiiware is the section comprised of all t...
"Does that size up against things like Perfect Dark for the N64?"
Apples to oranges. Really *good* tasting apples, as we are talking about Treasure, which is one of the top one games studios ever.
Sin and Punishment's in third-person, not particularly high on the realism scale, and designed more in line with arcade shooters a la Starfox 64 than modern first-person shooters. The emphasis is more about chaining together combos for high-score leaderboard d...
"why don't you read what the reviewers complained about, it's not because the game is bad, but repetitive and if you were a real gamer you would know that this game was designed as a throwback to old school beat'em up's which are repetitive in nature."
The same could be said of games like MadWorld, Viewtiful Joe, GodHand, et al -- all of which performed far better than Spyborgs (though none of them exactly moved *killer* numbers, seeing as how old school beat'em up th...
http://www.diyplanner.com/f...
I'm sorry, coach, I've blundered.
...I'll take a lap, now.
"i usually agree with you but codecow indeed works at visceral just as capkraig(which also uses neogaf) works 4 capcom"
If true, then I apologize. However, as I'm not familiar with neogaf, I'm fairly curious as to how this was verified.
Geez, I knew this story was coming, but I really didn't think it would be this silly.
In the first place, did anyone -- *anyone* -- actually look at the story? The *entirety* of the article is 'some guy on Neogaf claiming to be a game programmer has said the game hasn't sold well'.
Hey, great evidence right there. Who needs numbers or official statements when you have some dude on an internet forum claiming that he's one of the game's programmers? I mean, it's no...
"This is nice to hear from the American side yet I think capcom realizes they can distance them selves from retards like EA."
?
What's wrong with EA?