@ black
And again you miss the point. Those are 2 seperate components (1 CPU, 1 GPU), not one APU. All of that, plus that seperate GPU is apparently equivalent to the HD6870, hardly impressive considering the gargantuan price and the fans need to cool the system down. The power draw is immense too. The PS4 is only $400 and has the same performance.
Geez, these new manufacturing methods sure brought costs down...in 2013.
Try again...
@ black
You're clearly not getting what my whole point was. Just because you had a powerful card from 4 years ago, doesn't mean any card with same performance is considered 2009 tech. Are you going to tell me the HD7850 is considered 2009 tech even though it's slightly faster than an HD 5870? No, it can't be because it's an improved architecture unlike the older cards.
Regarding the PS4 APU, again you have to look at it from a technical po...
@ blackmagic
Did you bother to read my post? You may have a 5970 (which is dual GPU btw), but you're still missing the point.
Again, find me a PC back in 2009 or 2011 that can run graphics this good which has a CPU and GPU on one chip. We're talking about an APU with the strength of an HD7850/7870 here, not a seperate CPU and GPU. Again, 2013 tech.
As a PC user, it kind of irritates me that some people call the PS4 2011 tech, it's so stupid. It may only be as good as a mid-range PC of today or the GTX 480, but seriously, can you find me a PC from 2011 that can run games that good on a single chip?
Considering what the PS4 has inside, even I can admit that its performance is pretty impressive. This is 2013 tech, deal with it.
No worries! I understand where the confusion comes from since Mantle software is for the GPU and not the CPU. There does appear to be a slight performance boost for GPUs, but if you look at other benchmarks, the boost in framerate for low-end CPUs is substantial.
Replace high end cards with high end CPUs and you'd be correct.
Mantle affects the work the CPU does. Therefore people who could barely play BF4 with an i3 or FX4xxx/APU can now have a smoother experience.
I'm sure he was just kidding guys, ease down now :P.
Don't believe what every article says, AMD claims that the driver will provide Mantle support for those cards.
https://twitter.com/AMDRade...
Can't disagree with you there, I guess I'm just being a little optimistic haha. This definitely shows promise for it though given its functionality.
If it really does show benefit in real world tests, then I think the only hard part from there will be for it to catch on. At least other developers besides DICE are starting to show support. The games that support Mantle so far are...
Thief
Star Citizen
Battlefield 4
and StarSwarm...
http://battlelog.battlefiel...
Take a look at this link you'll see just how powerful Mantle really is.
Also, take a look at the chart in the corner of the screenshots, you'll see the framerate variance is much better.
Please keep in mind that Mantle has just come out and it will take some time before it starts to mature. Already we're seeing benefits all around in regards to CPU and GPU performance.
While GPUs only have a slight boost, they also benefit from Mantle by having smoother framerates. Take a look at this article.
http://battlelog.battlefiel...
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The headline is misleading, firstly the author makes it sound like this driver update is targeted toward CPUs when it's for GPUs. Secondly, even if that were true, this is NOT specific to low-end CPUs, it affects ALL CPUs.
For example, there is an article (and others) that show one of the Extreme i7 CPUs paired with 2 x R9 290X's and going from DX to Mantle increased the Framerate by 55% (around that). Not only that, but another article showed that the FPS was much m...
A friend of mine has an i3 with an HD 7850, I'm actually quite interested to see the improvements he'll get. If you guys notice, the framerate is much smoother too.
Considering people buy junk pre-built Windows PC's (by junk I mean crappy specs for a high price), I'm pretty sure they wouldn't mind the option of a better equipped Steam Machine for a reasonable price.
@ ElementX
Yeah and if Steam takes off in the future and has much more developer support which means tons of games, you'd probably want to save that $100, just saying...
I don't know where you come from, but 486 is quite a lot for a linux program that was released nearly a year ago. Again, the steam machines haven't been released yet, so we don't know how many games are going to be supported.
The reason why it's a such a small percentage on linux is because Windows has established itself over the years as the go to OS for gaming, obviously it's only a small percentage. Need I remind you again that Steam has only released o...
Wow, bias much? Where do you get that there are tons of issues with it? Oh right, because it's in beta isn't it? It hasn't even been officially released and now you're spouting doom & gloom.
I assume you've never used linux because the OS has the ability to search for drivers without even directly downloading it through the browser. All Valve has to do is code it so that it does automatic updates. Driver issues? Alright, I'll give you that, but in ...
The author of the article needs to do a little research.
#1: There AREN'T going to be SteamOS exclusives, at least not for a long while as long as Windows dominates the PC for gaming. All Valve is doing is just trying to attract developers to the linux platform. Any game that's on SteamOS is going to be on Windows as well at this point.
#2: Complicated game cases? Simple, look for the PC writing on the case. Besides, people rarely buy PC games in phys...
I'm not a console owner, I actually own a Gaming PC in case you're wondering.
You're argument is nothing but hot air as all you try to do is pin the shortcomings of the APU as if it was the bane of the chip. I bet you just wiki'd to see what features the chip was missing and tried to use that to support you're argument lol. What's funny is that the only negative aspect of the chip has to do with the CPU, yet you completely overlook the kind of architec...