hmmm cayal.
Not sure what your point is here.
You seem to have missed the issue entirely.
The crux of the debate is that a feature has been removed and consumers have no (real) choice in the matter.
Not just any feature, mind you.
The feature in question was advertised at the point of sale and was undoubtedly used for viral marketing and demonstrably resulted in additonal PS3 sales.
Sure, they can do what they like wit...
well, that doesn't make any sense.
I paid good money for my ps3 system.
It sits in my house and is my private personal property.
What is installed, changed or disabled on my PS3 has always and will always remain my right, and mine alone.
Laws exist to protect me from unauthorised access onto my property, my backyard, my goods, my person.
Sony has sought to circumvent these laws by allowing itself access to my property, wit...
Sorry dude, that makes no sense.
The update is not optional.
If you want to keep using the ps3 to its full ability, you have no choice but to upgrade and you lose linux
Conversely, if you do not upgrade, you lose other features.
Either way, you lose features.
How is this a choice?
Either you missed that important distinction, or you are doing your bst to sweep it under the carpet.
Across the g...
gotta agree with you there, Idleleesiulung
Sony doesn't have a successful track record with accessories.
We only need to consider the eyetoy failure as evidence, in this case.
I am thinking that, conceptually, the 'move' should succeed like the wiimote did. The problem stems from the fact that it is an add-on that consumers will once again have to fork money out for.
Ultimately, the cost will be:
PS3 console + Mov...
Completely agree that SOny needs to lose this case.
Honestly, I feel very sorry for all the Sony defenders who excuse Sony's linux removal blunder - it simply reeks of hardcore Sony fanboy.
The issue is thus: the courts will have to decide whether Sony's TOU is in fact legally valid.
Unfortunately for Sony, it will be proven that PS3 consumers have very little choice in this matter, and have, in fact, been misled by Sony.
I mean the facts speak for themselves.
If you want to continue to use the ps3 to its full ability, a right granted on purchase, one is forced to upgrade.
If one doesn't upgrade, the ps3's functionality is reduced, that is a fact.
If one DOES upgrade then the ps3's functionality is reduced, that is a fact.
Thus, consumers have no choice. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Sony blundered and the...
'tis true. Japan is proving to be the ps3's saviour.
Or is it?
Let's break down the numbers.
PS3 is 4-5 million units behind, approximately.
In NA, per month, the 360 adds about 20k margin to its lead
In Japan, per month, the ps3 gains about 100k margin per month on the 360.
Thus, for Japan and America combined, the ps3 gains a net margin of 80k units per month.
Now, multiply that by 12 and we get 960,000 units that the ps3 gains ...
... I had to laugh at this guy!
according to him, the total number of games (on 360, in any resolution) is 43+5+5= 53.
according to him, the total number of games (on ps3, in any resolution) is 50+11+32=93
Now, correct me if I am wrong, but the total number of games on both consoles is 300+, isn't it?
Anyway, after I finished laughing at this (oh-so-slight) oversight, I realised that this guy hadn't even bothered to use the same sample size for bo...
but wait, dude.
You forgot that there are some fanboys who consider themselves winners just because they deem MS to have lost something.
I know, I know.. it's crazy.. yet look in this very thread, trolly ps3 fanboys gloating over their perception that MS has lost something, somehow.
What happened to all the gamers I wonder?
Has the love of gaming been corrupted and perverted by angry Schadenfreude?
Kinda sad, huh?
I agree, Dude.
Sony sold many hundreds of thousands of ps3 skus based on the strength of linux inclusion alone.
What's more, the linux inclusion generated headlines and free viral marketing for Sony.
http://www.wired.com/techbi...
http://www.gamepro.com/...
Yeah it is good news that the ps3 is reducing its cost.
It is no secret that Sony has reduced the ps3 price by 50% since launch, so one would hope that cost reductions have kept pace with the falling revenue per unit sold.
So far, Sony has lost $4.7billion on its ps3 life cycle.
http://www.vg247.com/2009/1...
To put that in perspective, if we...
@ cayal
I do have a ps3 and yes, thankyou, my point is very valid indeed!
I simply don't understand some of the simple minded Sony defenders on this site.
Sony has NOT given its users as choice in this matter.
One MUST update the console, otherwise it becomes practically unusable.
After the update, SOny does NOT give the option of whether one would like to install updates.
After the update, Sony does not give ANY options at all.
After the update, Sony does whatever they feel like.
Unfortunately, the ...
Yeah it's so sad that it has come to this.
Sony now has the ability to come into my home and change settings and software on my property, without my consent, without my knowledge.
Worst of all, Sony will NOT take responsibility for any damage they do to my files, or even outright data loss.
Realistically, Sony should have addressed this with software security.
Removing features is such a lazy solution.
In addition, Sony has removed th...
This is a sticky situation for Sony.
As we all know, Amazon has set a precedent by refunding a customer the portion of ps3 features that were advertised at sale, yet were removed by the update.
Consumers will likely band together and form a class-action lawsuit to recover their opportunity cost in being misled by Sony.
I just don't know why so many PS3/Sony diehards are actually excusing Sony's behaviour.
Fact is, Sony has removed fe...
DVD still around?
How is this possible?
Ps3 fans on N4g assured us all that DVD was dead?
Yet, here we see DVD records shattered and making new highs.
Golly!
As is well know, the Sony gaming division has lost a substantial amount of money. In fact, the ps3 is in the hole to about $4.7 billion.
http://www.joystiq.com/2009...
For the astute among us, this loss, over the four year period, means the ps3 has lost MORE money than the xbox1, in the same time.
It is high time that Sony turns thi...