It's okay Atlus. I still love you; we can work our way through this.
"is it Sony's fault that the laws are what they are?"
No, technically, it is the fault of people who do not challenge those laws and say "Well if it's the law, then it must be good!" that the laws are what they are.
It is very much Sony's fault that they have decided to try to enforce extremely dumb laws.
"It's not up to you to decide which laws to follow and which ones to flaunt."
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"Reverse engineering software is completely legal under European law, as long as you don't distribute it"
Fortunately, he's being tried under American law, where one can reverse-engineer software and distribute it all they want. Sega v. Accolade. :-)
"If the feds wish to form a case they could very easily do it after Sony wins"
They could, but the standards to actually win a criminal suit against someone like geohot are much higher and more difficult to satisfy than in civil court.
The Feds should be wary; they recently tried to sue someone who sold modchips under criminal law. When their case flamed out in a manner that was nothing short of spectacular, all charges against the defendant we...
"it's about him stealing the key and distribute it to others!"
Right, distributing to others to use for the express purpose of jailbreaking. If jailbreaking is legitimate, then he disseminated that key in good faith for legitimate use.
"if what he has done is deemed legal, then getting free copies of any software from the internet is legal like Windows, Office, Photoshop, games."
False. The key he posted is just...
"does jailbreaking an iPhone allow you to hack any service provider and you'll be able to talk, mail, msg etc. for FREE?"
There are jailbreak applications out there that allow that, yes. That was actually precisely the argument that Apple used to try to ban jailbreaking in the first place.
It didn't work.
"apple don't loose any money with any jailbroken iPhone because people buy it from them and jailbroken iPh...
Old news.
From last year: "The report estimated average development costs for Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 games at $15-$30 million per title. With games that cost that much, game companies need to sell between 500,000 and 1 million units to break even, excluding overhead.
That's compared to Xbox, PS2 and GameCube games that cost around $3-$5 million to make on average, Ibis said, while Wii games cost $5-$7 million."
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"People can argue about several things, but it is irreversibly clear that George Hotz has broken the LAW"
And? The law is fluid. Bad laws are changed all the time through legislation and through precedents put forth through case law.
Many provisions of the DMCA -- the ones that geohot has purportedly broken -- constitute bad laws. They should therefore be changed accordingly.
"A donation to GeoHotz is money pissed away&...
"You must remember the software on your gaming hardware is being licensed to you to use. YOU DON'T OWN IT"
Right, and that policy is clearly unreasonable and needs to be changed.
"Hacking firmware with the car analogy is akin to you modifying your driver's license to show that you can drive vehicles you were never originally licensed to drive or creating a entirely fake drivers license when you never had one in the first place.&quo...
As well it should. The longer it goes on, the more publicity it gets and the more people join the modding community to develop homebrew.
"fair enough, but how much of that stuff can you do now that it is hacked?(im really asking)"
Right this second? Remappable controls, custom mods for games, and fan translation patchs. They're saying we should be getting sofware to bypass the region-locks pretty soon as well. I think that's pretty respectable, given that cfw has only been around for about a month.
Given enough time? Pretty much everything I've listed. The more comple...
an anonymous source has assured me that webster is preparing to remove the word 'gullible' from future editions of the dictionary.
"And you didn't really answer Trroy's question."
To be fair, it's a pretty dumb question. Homebrew on OtherOS was gimped as hell.
Couldn't enable custom mods for games; couldn't enable region-free Blu-ray, region-free DVDs, region-free PS1 games, or region free PS2 games; couldn't remap controls, couldn't run fan translation patches, limited access to RSX, limited access to memory, highly limited access to Cell...
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"They were willing to keep the system open until he started talking about hacking it"
Yeah, they were willing to keep the system open a small crack that enabled jack squat in the way of useful Homebrew. Wow, what a concession!
"They threatened Sony and they responded by removing the OS."
And hackers responded to the removal of the OS by giving us the best Homebrew ever.
"You think if someone did something that affected your business, but, didn't do it to you directly that you'd give a crap about them?"
'Affecting business' is not illegal in and of itself. If I work for IGN or Gamespot or someplace, and I write a particularly scathing review of a Nintendo game that convinces people not to buy it, have I affected Nintendo's business? Yes.
Have I cost them a lot of money? Yes.
"So, if a gun manufacturer goes and throws out a bunch of loaded guns into the streets for random people and announces it is doing that; if those people go and shoot other people / commit crimes with the guns... should the manufacturer not be held responsible to some degree?"
Very obviously not.
It is perfectly legal for someone to sell guns to any and all of those exact same random people no-questions-asked, without any fear of liability.
Whoops, double post.
Oh, thank goodness. As long as I know that the position I have taken on a given issue is the opposite of David Jaffe's, I know that I will be able to act with firmness in the right.
"Mahr, you are right you couldn't do everything before you could do everything LEGAL"
Sure, just like in the days of Jim Crow laws, black people on a bus could sit anywhere LEGAL (i.e., in the back).
"everything that is NEW that you COULDN'T do before is illegal"
There are plenty of things I can do now that cause no harm to anyone, and they should therefore not be illegal.
"and Sony ...
"A car isn't a piece of intellectual property. It's a gotdamned car."
And a PS3 is not a piece of land or a piece of intellectual property, it is a freaking physical good.
You cannot attack people for using dumb analogies while using even dumber analogies.
"When you purchase the PS3 and decide to use it online, you agree NOT to screw with the software"
If Sony wants to deny me access to th...