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The point is, how many "sci-fi shooters" have this much variety with this much quality at every point, on one game?

If they bought the new 360 S arcade, then just use a transfer kit to hook up their old HDD as the new HDD.

but it will be after Christmas, when all the used ones show up at Gamestop or pawn stores.

why would a "hard core crowd" gamer buy the Arcade version anyway?

The Arcade is geared directly at the non-hardcore gamer.

its just in its own "MS" enclosure

You "may" be right....or not. It all depends on the buyer.

Just look at the initial "hook" to make the sale: Kinect bundle doesn't need any extra controllers, Move bundle does. Plus it costs more out of the box for two players.

If adults over 25 (who happen to be technophiles) buy the most games for themselves.........

then how do you explain the Wii?

PS3 move bundle $400
2nd move controller $50
(2) move navigation controllers(wii nunchuck) $30 each so $60

So to play a two player game with this bundle is $510

Kinect bundle $300

And no, a hard drive, online fees or a Blu-ray drive are NOT necessary for casual games. The Wii proves this.

@ the show stopper....
so shouldn't every GT fan already have a PS3??

@ silly....
so only "AAA" games are worth playing? Tell that to Wii owners.

Last gen:
Nintendo Gamecube 21 million
MS Xbox 24 million
PS2 145 million

PS2 held 75% of the market.

This gen:
Nintendo Wii 73 million
MS Xbox 360 41 million
PS3 38 million

PS3 holds 25% of the market.
To get the same market share, the PS3 would need to sell roughly 74 million units RIGHT NOW just to catch up to last gen mark...

Halo Reach?

Since when did you or anyone else here become the judge of who a gamer is?

If your attitude about gaming is so narrow, then I would never want to be classified with "YOU".

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

bubbles for the originality! :)

It doesn't matter how neutral you are on this site.

If you don't agree with the PS3 mob here, you'll get drive-by disagrees all day.

Edit: just look at the disagrees and my point is proven.

"PS3 continually outselling 360 since launch"

Having a region that essentially has NEVER been a factor for the 360 kind of helps that statement..........hmmm like Japan.

Almost 4-5million difference in sales. Without Japan, the sales gap is almost constant since launch.

-4 microphones
-tilt motor
-IR laser and reciever
-oh yeah and 3 seperate cameras

now that is an original comment.

http://www.vgchartz.com/pre...

325,000

Actually it did.

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/xbo...
http://www.gamespot.com/new...

And it had pre-sold 1 million by August:

http://www.digitaltrends.co...

Wow, Kinect haters are in force lately here at N4G.