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Mod Talk: A Few Notes on Submission Rules

Hello everyone. I am in the process of doing many a thing, one of them working on putting together some blog posts that will expand on and explain further our rules as they relate to submissions and comments. Sadly, I do not have all my time to devote to just this, so they are not ready yet.

But, I wanted to step in here and make some clarifications on a few items we've recently had a lot of discussions about in tickets or PMs with our contributors.

Before I get to that, let me say that this post is not about shaming or blaming anyone for their past or current submissions. This isn't a place to point blame at one specific site or another. This is merely for the sharing of some rules clarifications that are not made apparent in our current guidelines. Any comment that diverges from that will be moderated.

So, without further ado:

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What type of rumors are allowed for submissions?

As our guidelines dictate, we want rumors from credible sources. And that's exactly what we want. The problem is that many people don't realize that a credible source means that it has to have substance and it has to be from a source that is named and known. Furthermore, many people have been using speculation in place of rumor. There is a difference.

So, to clarify: Rumors must name their "inside" source for the rumor. Citing an unnamed source is not credible and will result in a failure of a submission. Furthermore, named sources must be posted in the article itself. We do not accept proof of the credibility of rumors via e-mail or PM. Rumors must also not be based on someone's opinion of what may or may not happen, that's what we call speculation. Even if it's the opinion of an insider, that's still just their opinion.

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Rumors/news based on job listings, are they allowed?

No longer will they be allowed. For too long we've allowed this to turn into a method for people to create speculative submissions based on job listings that may or may not get filled, may or may not be asking for things that may or may not ever get utilized, and truly aren't useful indicators on how any skill or the like will be utilized or what games it will impact.

Originally we allowed it because it was a "once in a while" thing for very notable inclusions in the job skills area. Things that truly popped out and made you wonder what the company who was filling the position would be doing. But, over time, it became something that was abused to make links to things that were truly out there. It became just another form of speculation-based pandering.

While it can be seen as a heavy handed approach, it is apparent that defining what is speculation and what is not is something that content creators and N4G will never agree upon, so we have decided to make this easier to handle by outright not allowing them. Does this affect a very few number of submissions that are credible? Yes, but it also prevents a much greater flow of speculative submissions that have little to no foundation or credibility as rumors.

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Submissions from Kickstarter or similar crowdfunding sites, are they allowed?

As of today, the strict answer is no. We've always had the rule that links to any page that is live (meaning it gets updated over time) is not allowed. We've also had the rule that links to self-promotion pages are not allowed because you're really just linking to advertisement and not news. But, we allowed linking to certain Kickstarter updates if they were free of self-promotion, such as development updates once a Kickstarter was funded and the developers were merely giving an update on the development of the game.

The problem we had was another one in communication, though. People have begun to instead link to every update that includes just a little bit of news (such as meeting a new stretch goal), but was then otherwise comprised entirely of self-promotion elements. We've tried to explain the difference in posts to contributors in the past, and we obviously have failed on that. Much like above, we are making the decision that it's easier to not allow any such posts going forward than to deal with the miscommunication of what is acceptable and what isn't.

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So, for today, those are the items I wanted to touch upon and make sure everyone was aware of the changes and specifications to those specific items. If you ever have a question about a submission, please do not hesitate to submit a ticket to the moderation team: http://n4g.com/tickets/

Thank you,
Christopher Goodno
N4G Admin & Community Manager

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Stringerbell4045d ago

'What type of rumors are allowed for submissions? '

Wasn't it two / three weeks ago no name blog citing some more than obscure South American website that 'PES wasn't coming out this year.'

Despite multiple articles confirmed by Konmai in which they discussed their plans for the future game. And low and behold a teaser trailer was uploaded yesterday.

Just one example but this sort of 'coverage' is quite endemic and its nice to see something is being done about it.

thereapersson4043d ago (Edited 4043d ago )

Honestly, a long-overdue, much needed change in the submission rules. I've been here quite a while and have seen a lot come and go. It'll be good to finally see some of the fat trimmed off this website, as crappy submissions are bad for one's cholesterol.

LostDjinn4045d ago

Nice. This should cut down on some of the BS we're forced to wade through on a the regular. It won't get rid of all the crap, but it's a good start.

xHeavYx4044d ago

I agree, here is a wishlist.
1) Stop allowing people to make 5 different articles from one interview.
2) Find a way to limit screenshots articles per website, to try to stop those "2486 new screenshots" articles.
3) I'd like to see something done about news from Twitter. Especially people who put 2-3 tweets together so that they can use their own website as source.
4) Maybe a clickbait report? I remember some website that made an article with the title "Witcher screenshots, NSFW", but there was only one NSFW screenshot (the last pic, of course) and the article was clearly created this way for cheap clicks.
5) Articles that compare graphics/framerate. I would be ok if those were not allowed anymore.

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DragonKnight4045d ago

Oh thank the good gaming lords that the rumour articles are going to be more thoroughly weeded out.

But, as usual, the biggest problem here are the people that just approve stuff all willy nilly. Too bad you can't make a rule for clickbait/keyword titles and list articles. Tired of seeing "*insert console*'s exclusive title *insert game here* gets gloriously hilarious new screenshots" or "Top 300 games with the best grass texture" with each game listed on its own page with a sentence long description.

But I guess you can't moderate thoroughness. Maybe you should make an approval contest where your approval rating for the month is measured and if it's shown you approve actual news as opposed to garbage like list articles, you have a chance to win a $25 Steam gift card or something.

Concertoine4045d ago

There should be a monthly limit for how many adjectives and adverbs you can use in titles.

rainslacker4045d ago

I think if people that approve read the articles before approving instead of deciding if the title made them feel good, or knew it would serve their purpose a lot of that would be cut out.

I hate list articles as much as you do for the most part(maybe 1 in 50 is good), but they still are opinion pieces based on gaming, so I don't see them as actually breaking the rules. They do tend to lower the quality of the content we get though.

rainslacker4045d ago (Edited 4045d ago )

Normally I would take issue with the named source clause, but for gaming news, I actually have to agree. Unnamed sources are nothing new in journalism, but sources have to be confirmed, and they rarely are.

Anyhow, the reason I mention this is I believe NeoGaf does some sort of confirmation if people want to be considered an inside source. Would confirmed, unnamed sources still be allowed to be posted? Ideally we'd want the actual information the source provided to be confirmed, but that's practically impossible in the gaming industry, and gaming journalist don't exactly go the extra mile(or even go beyond the first step) before throwing their articles on the web.

I know it's rare that these sources provide anything of value, but sometimes they do, kind of like pre-X1 reveal...but then again, that could have been just speculation based on several different sources and a flub by one individual.

The other two I agree with. Job listings are generally pretty vague with most things being more PR/technical terms which don't directly relate to the actual articles that get written about them, and Kickstarters should make more effort in their advertising, because I believe it shows commitment to the project.

Christopher4045d ago

***Would confirmed, unnamed sources still be allowed to be posted?***

No. It has to be a named source. The goal is twofold: 1. Control the rumor-mill craziness and 2. make sites publicly responsible for the credibility of their rumors.

rainslacker4045d ago

I guess that begs the question, what about follow up opinion pieces that are written based off the information provided by these unnamed sources? Almost without fail, every time an inside source article comes about, we'll see 3-10 opinion pieces on why it's the end of a company, how gamers suck, or why some company is doing thing wrong.

Christopher4045d ago

You see, it's thinking like that that makes this job so hard rainslacker :P

I would say opinion pieces based on rumors that can't be put onto N4G would follow suit as they would just be spreading the news of the rumor. That's what most of them do anyway, recant the exact same news, then put one or two sentences in of supposed opinion.

But, let me think this over and talk with the other mods a bit to "confirm" that. But, that's where I'd lean. Especially since you know the people who normally post rumors would just turn them into mock opinion pieces.

rainslacker4045d ago

LOL. I wasn't trying to make your job harder. I just tend to look into things further than is healthy.:)

Moderation is a real pain, and mostly more a balancing act. I don't envy you, because I've done it before and I didn't really enjoy it.

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