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BioWare responds to Mass Effect 3 ending furore

Mass Effect 3 developer BioWare has responded for the first time to fans furious at the game's ending. Director and executive producer Casey Hudson explained that a "polarising" finale was necessary to get fans talking.

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shodan745057d ago

Hang on a minute. Is Hudson actually admitting that BioWare effectively trolled their fanbase in order to provoke a debate?

Wow.

iamnsuperman5056d ago (Edited 5056d ago )

If you read between the lines it seems they never actually finished and pushed the content back (hopefully not to charge for it but who knows).

edit: either that or they really messed up on creating an ending to keep people talking. An ending that gets people talking isn't meant to make people angry and start a petition but to discuss what it means

Godmars2905056d ago

In other words, responding to your edit, they've again failed as story tellers.

Big surprise.

gaffyh5056d ago

I think BioWare needs to listen simply to understand why people are angry. As far as I can tell, people are angry that none of the choices you make seem to have any effect on the endings. Example (spoiler alert just in case):

Most people will have played through and tried to go full paragon (because they don't want to be jerks). If you go full paragon, you save the Geth and you also become friends with EDI. However, the "Good" ending, which is what you are going for during the whole game, forces you to destroy all synthetic races, including the Geth and EDI.

Then on the other hand, if you choose the "Bad" ending, you die, but you are going along with Cerberus thought, which is what you are going against throughout the entire game. Then the synthesis ending is actually the best, but it is pretty much the same as the "Bad" ending.

I think that's why people are angry, because the ending choices are a bit stupid, and the "Bad" ending is more good than the official "Good" ending.

Legionaire20055056d ago

@ gaffyh

(Spoiler Alert)

Not just that reason, but the whole destroy all Mass Relay thing, the war assets that are nonexistent, The Normandy crashed on a unknown planet thing, and the choices that don't even matter. The Witcher 2 next month will rip this a new one. Now how do I know that? I got Witcher 2 on PC, and you won't be disappointed like this.

Patriots_Pride5056d ago

Are you really that gullable? If you do not see DLC/Milking out of the ending then you must be one of those person that loves to give Bobby Kotic free money.

I am a die hard ME fan and bought played the first one to death and the same for ME2 so I thnk I deserve a proper ending to the trilogy that Bioware promised me and not some BS ending that leaves more questions than answers.

ziggurcat5056d ago

@ Patriots_Pride:

can you provide a quote where bioware promised you the ending you were expecting?

Bobby Kotex5056d ago

Yes! We need to start a petition for bioware to have us pay for dlc to fix the ending!

blitz06235056d ago

What's also getting more annoying with Bioware is the storyline of the games they are making lately. I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed this:

Dragon Age - gather allies against Darkspawn
Mass Effect 2 - gather allies against Collectors
Mass Effect 3 - gather allies against Reapers

Their games are getting old really quick. The ending of Mass Effect 3 also made things worse for them. I hope they don't become like Square.

da_2pacalypse5056d ago

To me, it felt like the ending of the story was outsourced... there was not even a dialogue wheel... I've never played a bioware game where one chooses their ending by walking towards a path....

This is similar to how the Deus Ex bosses were outsourced and came out horrible....

anyways, I doubt they were actually outsourced, Bioware just cheaped out at the end and didn't want to do too much work in order to accommodate for all of the players previous choices... GOOD JOB CASEY HUDSON, YOU FAILED!

Nimblest-Assassin5056d ago

@godmars

Well if we look at it in the "destination doesn't matter, but the journey does"

It was a hell of a journey, but the destination sucked and just made this incredible journey meaningless.

They did not fail as story tellers, they failed as ending crafters.

Which a lot of games nowadays are struggling to do.

Im getting annoyed with the irritating concept of the hero dying, and then their is a hint at the end in which they survived.

SPOILERS FOR A LOT OF GAMES FOLLOWED

GOW3: Kratos body disapears

Infamous 2: Lightning Bolt shaped question mark

ACB: Lucy gets stabbed, and turns out being a
templar

ME3: Sheppard breaths

Force Unleashed 2: THE WHOLE F**KING GAME!

EITHER KILL OF A CHARACTER AND GIVE THEM THE SEND OFF THEY DESERVE, OR LET THEM LIVE!

NOT THIS ANNOYING BS THEY COULD HAVE LIVED/DIE CRAP

ITS A COMPLETE KICK IN THE NUTS

zeeshan5056d ago

I haven't played the game yet but to all those gamers who have, do you think that the game truely deserved the 10/10 ratings that it got? I am asking you this because I don't trust "journalists" anymore so I'd rather listen to the people who really matter (the gamers) instead of bunch of idiots (journalists, bloggers etc).

justpassinggas5056d ago (Edited 5056d ago )

@zeeshan

No, the game does not deserve a 10/10. It deserves a 9/10 for all of it except the last 15 minutes. The last 15 minutes bring it down to a 6/10 AT BEST. Why? Because the entire purpose of ME games and Bioware games in general is choice. When the ending rips that away from you and forces you down a linear path where your actions are of no consequence and you get the same cookie cutter ending regardless, then you feel cheated for investing 5 years of your time into your Shepard and your squad mates.

Oh, and there's zero closure. You don't find out what happens to your squad mates (not even your love interest), nor what happens to the other alien civilizations, and the backbone of the mass effect universe is destroyed so you can't even FIX such a thing in a possible post-game without retconning the ending or without introducing another idiotic Deus ex machina. Oh did I not mention that? The ending is the biggest example of Deus ex machina that you'll literally cry out WHY?!?!?!

Rageanitus5056d ago

i smell DLC coming to redo an ending 5 bucks here and there is alot of money

NewMonday5055d ago

MGS4 showed how to tie up complex loos threads

GribbleGrunger5055d ago

wow, this controversial ending as created a pretty negative mass effect

Hayabusa 1175055d ago (Edited 5055d ago )

@Godmars290

I agree. I'm begining to question why Bioware are so applauded as story tellers. I read the hype, how they want the player to have an emtional connection through their own choices e.t.c but when I hear about the actual finished product, it seems miles behind. I actually haven't played that many Bioware games, because they tend to fail to grab me in the first couple of hours of gameplay (including ME) but it seems, predictably, that they tend to screw up alot (same thing I heard about Dragon Age Origins).

And why can't video game writers provide closure? The biggest problem with most video game trilogy endings is that they never feel like they conclude all the narrative threads proprly. Same problem Halo had.

EDIT: @newmonday Yes, MGS4 is a good example, even if the ending was a little cheesy, at least it finished the story.

Morgue5055d ago (Edited 5055d ago )

Good luck on getting a " logical " discussion on N4G.

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ninjahunter5056d ago

Authors do it, movies to it. In fact its good conversation topic. I have not played ME3 yet (waiting to see how this DLC thing rolls over), but im well aware of the concept. Just because it wasnt powerful enough of an ending to knock up your mom, kill your neighbors dog and make your balls drop all at once doesnt mean its a bad ending.
People need to click on their brains every once in a while and do that thinking thing.

JaredH5056d ago (Edited 5056d ago )

I would really love to hear a person that says the ending is "sophisticated" or "intelligent" explain the numerous plot holes.

Pintheshadows5056d ago

It's evident that you don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps if you had some context, ie, go complete Mass Effect 3.

theDECAY5056d ago

@ ninjahunter

OWNED, like a b*tch!

NeoTribe5055d ago

You should prolly play it before saying stuff like that.

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kingdavid5056d ago

This Hudson guy is obviously a donnie darko fan.

I dont mind a good ambigious ending but it really just doesnt suit the series..

SilentNegotiator5056d ago

(Hint: It suits DLC or another trilogy, though)

dedicatedtogamers5056d ago

Having seen all three endings and the plot (or lack thereof) leading up to it, Bioware just got lazy, plain and simple. Every single aspect of the last hour of the game was so poorly done, it's as if they hired 3rd-party contractors outside of Bioware to write the ending or something.

Bioware, you are full of crap. Go home.

kneon5056d ago

I just finished the game and I wasn't even sure what decision I was making at the end as there was only one obvious thing to do, I didn't see how to make the other choices.

But now having finished it the whole story is basically Terry Pratchett's "Hogfather" meets Ray Kurzweil's "The Singularity is Near".

Tr10wn5056d ago

Is not trolling because the ending wasnt as bad as the fans put it, they just dont understand it, is the same thing that happen in Inception most people dont like the ending because they cant understand it, read some mass effect books, novels and comics then the codex and review everything in ME3 and maybe you'll understand, but if the fact that the game doesnt have a happy ending is what fans dont like well, grow up then lol.

aliengmr5056d ago

We understand that the ending doesn't make any sense. In fact it only gets more ridiculous the more you study the ME universe.

house5056d ago (Edited 5056d ago )

as house says "you dont get what you deserve you get what you get and theirs nothing any of us can do about it"

Tr10wn5056d ago (Edited 5056d ago )

@aliengmr "We" you are speaking for the whole group now? anyways since you are the group leader and you clearly understand the ending and the whole mass effect universe explain me the ending in details on how it happen, keep in mind that you must read at least a book to understand few little details and that's leaving out the comics and the novel.

Even after all that, the ending is open for debate, like i said its and ending similar to Inception, same thing is happening here, i'm not saying i fully understand the ending but since i read the books/novels/comics i understand it better than the people whining.

I found a video explaining something similar to what i understand happens. http://youtu.be/PZ7bsIpEKIg

theDECAY5056d ago

@ Tr10wn

Inception's ending isn't hard to understand at all. Either you believe he made it home, or he didn't. That's a poor analogy and you fail.

Tr10wn5056d ago (Edited 5056d ago )

Same thing goes to this ending and if you don't see it well maybe you are a retard literally, obviously they are completely difference endings but in the end you don't know what really happen and there is the link to Inception.... that's something a 5 years old could understand, anyways in the end Shepard made it the citadel or he didn't oh wait looks similar to Incept.... never mind you still dont get it right?

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Rowland5056d ago

Bioware stands for laziness. From dumbing down the RPG to duplicating levels in DA2 to this and a whole lot more inbetween.

Baka-akaB5056d ago

Really ? if the ending actually sucks , i doubt i'd be talking about it , it would just wanna deck the whole franchise on shelves and not bother with it and most things bioware again for a while .

I know , i can't comment further on the issue , as i havent finished the game yet , but i smell BS here .
They just did a crap ending , and didnt expect such uproar and people noticing

Simon_Brezhnev5056d ago

well take your very sweet time before you finish the game. Thats all ima say.

Captain Qwark 95056d ago

i havent seen the ending yet so dont spoil it but......even if you got the ending changed, would it even matter? you already know how it was intended to end so thats always going to be in the back of your mind, even if they do change it.

Grap5056d ago

No. it will change my mind the take back earth was bad really bad BW need to recreate this mission.. keep in mind i don't hate the ending nor i like it if fans want to change the ending go ahead and change it..

sly-Famous5056d ago

""polarising" finale was necessary to get fans talking."
Well you didnt just get them talking, you got them reeling.

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Mass Effect - N7 DAY 2025

Bioware writes: "Like you, we’ve heard the rumors lately. You’ve made it clear you care deeply about what’s next. So let’s start by setting the record straight: the next Mass Effect game is in development, and EA and BioWare remain committed to telling more stories in this universe."

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-Foxtrot70d ago

I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed

Like with Fallout, it's starting to feel studios are using TV / Film adaptations when they have no game info to talk about.

toxic-inferno70d ago

I feel the same way.

I mean, how difficult would it be for them to release SOMETHING of substance? Another short trailer? A couple of proper hints? A short story set during the original trilogy, but focused on fringe characters?

Hopefully they're working so hard on the game that they don't have time. But still, with every passing year and so little to show, the franchise will be slipping further and further from people's minds.

Profchaos70d ago

Yeah agree it's almost a cop out since Dev times are 5 to 10 years just throw out a few seasons instead you get them done in a year

jznrpg70d ago

I still haven’t beat Andromeda. I am waiting for a lull of good games in my backlog

P_Bomb70d ago

So the TV show will take place after the OG trilogy. I wonder which ending they’ll use?

Rebel_Scum70d ago

Should’ve just posted a picture of an Elcor saying “regretfully, we have nothing to share.”

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BioWare needs to follow Larian’s lead and just “embrace people’s cool choices”, veteran EA developer

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contra15770d ago

Who didn’t see this coming lol

Armaggedon69d ago

BioWare should find the center and focus. Chasing someone else’s shadow will likely lead to failure.

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thorstein100d ago

How can you be an analyst and not look at Tencent and know exactly what's about to happen: massive layoffs, decline in quality, and loss revenue.

It is Toys R Us all over again, and JCPenney and Sears and so many more. EA lost is vision before 2000. It's an old stodgy corporation. It's not going to recover.

Retroman99d ago

If Ea sell studio that develop NFS wishful thinking Saudi investers put Blackbox studio back together. get rid of online racing, drive to a race or no races at all wasting time playing nfs for NO reason at all thanks to Unbound, Heat, Payback, Rivals.

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anast99d ago

They'll start working on FIFA, Madden, UFC, and some mobile games.

gold_drake99d ago

i think that games that are not Sports games or Shooters will cease to exist, since they are the big money makers.

not sure why anyone would agree to this. especially to rich saudis of all people ha they have more money than they'll ever need

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