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Why Microsoft Desperately Need A New Console

Microsoft may have the majority share of gamers this generation but out of all of the console manufacturers they are the only one who need to make a next-generation console.

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TomInc5237d ago

I agree with the point about disks... But what would they use instead? Could they actually implement Blu-Ray?

Colwyn5237d ago

The xbox is amazing and a new xbox isn't needed at this point. They're still stretching their legs with kinect ,and a bunch of good games will be releasing this year such as halo 4 and Alan wake. It would be nice to have a new console but it isn't needed.

stvn_k265236d ago

a bunch of good games?? I mean 2 games mean a buch for you??

gigreen5237d ago

I'm pretty sure they will avoid Blu-ray like the plague.

SD cards would be a possibility, if there's a way to put a secure copy protection on these things. Maybe unique keys that have to be registered online.

Persistantthug5237d ago (Edited 5237d ago )

32GB+ SD cards are too expensive....we'd be looking at something worse than N64carts price wise.

Microsoft isn't a real hardware company, nor do they have any real ties to Hollywood...so what choice does Microsoft really have?

50GB+ disks for less than $1. What's good about avoiding that?

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF5237d ago

Uhm ya. I don't think that the number 1 selling console in the United States, that has done better now in it's 6th year than any other year before, and didn't even have an official price cut in 2011....

I'm not thinking they "desperately" need a new console.

Sonyslave35237d ago

Agree Ms don't need no new system anytime soon.

Frankfurt5237d ago

Yep. Why would they lose hundreds of millions in new hardware that won't be profitablke for a couple years, when their current console is making them so much money?

BattleTorn5237d ago (Edited 5237d ago )

The reason that the 360 has sold so well in it's later years, is because they've successfully re-marketed it by using kinect (aka shifting focus)

It's the same reason why the Wii sold so well, compared to PS3/360; it's because it was marketed to a non-gamer/casual demographic.

In order for MS to keep the 360 alive, selling-well, and fully-supported for years into the next-generation, they had to re-market it as a multimedia and motion-control device.

I'm hoping that this "shift in focus" signals that MS is getting to unveal their new gaming console.

frelyler5237d ago

Well said, there has been a trend going of developers now using the PS3 as the lead. This makes for better quality games all around. The 360 is however starting to show it's age and certain things that are capable on the PS3 can't be done as well on the 360 (I know the phantom disagrees are coming, but it's true). This is one of the reasons for the focus shift and it has obviously worked really well. The wii was way under powered compared to the other "HD" systems, but it sold crazy numbers and better. M$ realizes they don't have to do a damn thing but keep trending towards the casual crowd while throwing a bone to the "hardcore" every once in a while. It is going to be a game of chicken when it comes to the new consoles and it will be fun to watch.

sikbeta5237d ago

lol right, IF the best selling console manufacturer at the moment "Desperately Need A New Console" can't even thing how desperate are the other two -_- at least Wii-U is coming this year :P

But tbh, it's time to move on, we need new consoles! yay! :D

JD_Shadow5237d ago (Edited 5237d ago )

You didn't read the article, did you?

It's talking about the issue from a developer POV! Right now, the console is starting to show its age in its components and physical medium. Games right now are exceeding what the 360 can offer, and the space needed on discs are increasing at a faster rate than you might think. MS is trying as hard as they can to not just admit that Sony was smart about building Blu-Ray into the PS3 and using BD discs for the games. Devs were complaining a year or so ago about the need for Microsoft to stop being so stubborn about Blu Ray.

The sales of the 360 wasn't the focus of what the article was talking about. You went to the "sales" card a bit too quickly there, and prolly forgot to read the article.

vortis5237d ago

Agreed.

From a development point of view the creativity of the 360 is peaked for core games. If you want innovative indie titles it's still good (i.e., Limbo, Dungeon Defenders).

But let's be honest, we all want to completely level cities in games like Battlefield 4 or walk into every building in a game like GTA VI and THAT is not going to happen on an Xbox 360. A lot of fanboys hate to think that their console is dated but gaming wise most of 2012 will be a retread of stuff we've already played.

I'm ready and willing to embrace the future of gaming.

sticky doja5237d ago

"Devs were complaining a year or so ago about the need for Microsoft to stop being so stubborn about Blu Ray."

Its not being stubborn. If Microsoft made a blu-ray addon which some devs made games for the dev would be retarded because they would be alienating millions of customers who did not buy said addon from being able to play their game. Even if they made a 360 with built in blu-ray drive it would still alienate the millions who already own consoles.

Microsoft is not "stubborn about Blu Ray." It was a dev decision from 2003-2004 to keep the price of the hardware down for the forseeable future and in my opinion it has worked out extremely well for Microsoft looking and sales numbers.

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Bundi5237d ago

Maybe we gamers need a new console but Microsoft as a business certainly do not. They made 6.7 billion (revenue) with xbox 360 last year, more than any other console available.
Xbox 360 is profitable so every console sold is money coming in. Plus xbox 360 covered its costs last year (yes, even RROD billion) and has become a source of profit!
Yeah, they do not need a new console just yet.

GamingTruth5237d ago

cant believe people still say ps3 and 360 are similar or comparable

Persistantthug5237d ago

I haven't seen anything that the XBOX 360 absolutely couldn't do.

Is the PS3 a little more powerful?
Yes, I can go with that, but it's not by any great degree or leap, because everytime the PS3 has jumped forward, the XBOX 360 has been following pretty close by and hasn't been left behind yet.

I'm a hardcore PS3 fan, but I'm just delivering what I've observed over the last 3 years.

GamingTruth5237d ago

probably in multiplats yes and no your not a ps3 fan

stvn_k265236d ago

"I haven't seen anything that the XBOX 360 absolutely couldn't do." I can give you one game that the xbox PROBABLY can't do it, it's called THE LAST OF US, and yes they're in-game graphics naughy dog confirmed it! I know it's hard to believe it, but coming from them; I believe it. And please don't give me any jack about gears of war 3, 'cause we all know epic games had 3 years to set a new benchmark in graphics and they didn't do it. Those are the best graphics you will ever see on the xbox.

annus5237d ago

How AREN'T they comparable? The jump from consoles to PC is larger than the jump from 360 to PS3, but I bet many wouldn't believe that.

Need to change discs? Must need a new console then... /s

vortis5237d ago

Sorry to say, Ace but multiplats are the majority of game releases these days.

With the exception of a few digital and big-budget exclusives both systems are on par. The only game that stands out on the PS3 compared to anything on the 360 is the Uncharted franchise...everything else boils down to gameplay preference.

Now the differences between a PS3, Xbox 360 and PC are huge. Anyone saying those are comparable are just delusional.

GamingTruth5237d ago

yeah pc does a great job in graphics with those games aiming for photorealism now thats a pretty big difference, but i still have yet to see a pc game that makes people go "is that ingame" i still have yet to see a pc game that clothing gets wet and that you can walk in sand and snow and the sand and snow move, water also yeah any one saying they are comparable are delusional i guess

annus5236d ago

@GamingTruth

What are you smoking? Clothes picking up stuff from the environment (sand, water, whatever) has NOTHING to do with how powerful a machine is, that is a gameplay/graphics DECISION by the game developer. That plays no role in this topic at all. And I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure one of the old Tomb Raider games actually did do the wet clothing.

As far as the 'is that ingame' is concerned, are you trying to say that the PC is worse than the PS3? You contradict yourself by saying that the PC does look better, but then say it doesn't by that statement? Or are you trying to say that they are so good that people just assume that it is a CGI cutscene?

vortis5236d ago

PC version of Just Cause 2 had wet clothing, and water sampling effects over clothing textures.

Also, Project CARS for PC has a lot of people on YouTube who literally said "is that in-game or real-life?"

Don't believe me? Check out the YouTube videos and see for yourself.

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chaos-lockheart5237d ago

We don't need new console,(that would be great though, love new gadgets and toys) but i think they need more hardcore exclusive games!!!!!

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio16d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing16d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9216d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit16d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing16d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9216d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay18d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn219d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn218d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown18d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay18d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay18d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac18d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger18d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300018d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde18d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde18d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7520d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_17d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.