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Could Nintendo survive as a software developer?

Hypothetical scenario, the Wii U doesnt do very well within the next generation of consoles. Could Nintendo survive as a software developer while maintaining its dominance in the handheld market? Would this be profitable? Would gamers finally see Mario on other consoles and iOS devices? Goozernation explores these ideas.

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NukaCola5303d ago (Edited 5303d ago )

YES

EDIT: @kube00

I think the software is and has always been the reason Nintendo is loved. The consoles have never been the highest of tech( The controllers do innovate many times and they are handheld champs) but it's the games.

I think if Nintendo went 3rd party or 1st for Sony or another company for example, they would do just as good. I personally could see Nintendo merging with a company that really can focus on making the most advanced system, while Nintendo can focus on their titles.

I think in the end, we all just want Nintendo to do what the others do and more. Not to mimic but to match and surpass. Their last two systems to include the 3DS are visually and technically behind what the HD guys are doing. I think there is a time when the company needs to just give in and give what gamers have.

kube005303d ago

Glad to see someone agrees!

jony_dols5302d ago (Edited 5302d ago )

Prior to the Wii, Nintendo was seriously struggling as a home console hardware developer.

The N64 only sold 35 million consoles, whilst it's successor the Gamecube barely scraped 20 million. To put that into perspective, they're combined sales is 5 million less than Sony's lowest selling console; the PS3.

Just look at SEGA, in the early to mid nineties Sonic was the most recognisable mascot in gaming, and the Mega Drive (Genesis) was a massive commercial success. Fast forward 6 years, and the post-Dreamcast SEGA nearly went belly up, and was forced out of the hardware department into developing their flagship titles on multi-platform hardware.

3GenGames5302d ago

^ 100% wrong, the GC has the better graphics than the PS2 or Xbox, along with the more powerful (yet lower clock) CPU. They've ALWAYS been the best hardware developer, they keep it simple and easy to program. And the consoles have always been of the highest tech. The GC was the last one until that shifted with century, but saying they've made a living solely on software is a terrible statement. The SNES and N64 and NES were all hand down the best systems in their generation (Price proportional) without a doubt. They might have not always had _everything_ in their systems the best (68K vs 65816, or Genny vs SNES, but the video display processor and sound capabilities of the SNES blew the Genny out of the water)

jony_dols5302d ago (Edited 5302d ago )

@3GenGames:

So I'm 100% wrong even though I back up my statement with facts? And when did I say Nintendo (feel free to quote me on this) 'made a living solely on software'?

In the 10 years prior to the Wii, Nintendo home consoles sales were to say the least underwhelming, & like SEGA, since the SNES/Genesis heyday, they're console sales were sliding. Unfortunately for SEGA the Dreamcast was the final nail in the coffin for SEGA's console venture.

And yet the Gamecube, only sold 9.5 million more SEGA's Dreamcast. That's how close Ninty were.

Anyway since when does the power of the hardware equals sales? I think the Wii & the DS are testament to that.

And yes, you are correct, the Gamecube & N64 were slightly more powerful than the competition, but Nintendo stupidly opted for their own proprietary cartridges & optical drives instead of going for the standard CD & DVD drives, which turned off massive developers such as Square Enix, who favoured Sony's hardware instead, and as a result the PS One outsold the N64 by 70 million units & the PS2 outstripped the Gamecube by a massive 130 million.

And whilst the Genesis (31 million) was outsold by the SNES (49 million), SEGA's mascot Sonic still become synonymous with video gaming in the mainstream, with everything from kiddie TV shows to soft drink placements.

-Alpha5302d ago (Edited 5302d ago )

^

As much doubt as the Wii U may have, (and I'm just as doubtful as the next guy), I don't see why people are assuming the failure of the Wii U would result in Nintendo bowing out of the industry as hardware makers.

The PS3 did much, much worse during the time when the Sony brand was in an overall slump. Yet it managed to not only survive, but maintain itself internally. Sony may not even make much off of the PS3, if anything at all, but there is no reason to think that Sony is going to drop out of the market. I really do think that these 3 giants have secured a deep rooted culture that wont just "go away" like brands used to in earlier gens.

Nintendo has profited wildly this generation. Their DS has also accounted for millions in sales, and the 3DS is on the track to doing the same. Worst case scenario, Nintendo struggles and sells as much as the N64 or Gamecube generation, but because of this generation, they are still here and still strong.

I also don't think we would be seeing such a radical concept such as the Wii U if Nintendo WEREN'T so successful. Same reason as the PS3's radical development, it comes because the companies can afford something so different. How satisfied would people be if, after making as much money as they did, Nintendo decided to make a standard next gen console? I like Nintendo because they are doing something different. Motion control, touch screen handhelds, tablet controllers, these are interesting to me. As a consumer, if I feel turned off, I will stick to the safe choice that Sony/MS offers, but I'm glad Nintendo's around.

mcstorm5302d ago

Simple answer is yes. Look at the sales of the cube and n64 for example of that it was the software that kept nintendo alive and also why 3rd partys pulled out of the n64 and gc becasue people who had the consoles did not want 3rd party games they wanted nintendo games. Alos look at the top 10 selling games of each gen and i bet nintendo has a few in each of them. Mario metroid zelda and pokemon are all one of if npt the biggest name in the games industry.

tigertron5302d ago

I'd rather Nintendo goes multiplat and makes games for the PS3 and the Xbox. They can still use their ideas with Move and Kinect. Although that said, I'd rather they focus on making hardcore titles, that would be great.

Nintendo are unlikely to do this though because the Wii has been selling well, even though its a strategy I don't like - which is making a cheaper last gen console and marketing motion controls as a 'revolution', it is making Nintendo bags of money. Me personally, I just want the old pre-Iwata Nintendo back.

BattleAxe5302d ago (Edited 5302d ago )

Nintendo will continue to make handheld gaming consoles, but I think their days are numbered as a home console maker. Nintendo is completely out to lunch with their home console designs. The Wii doesn't play DVDs or CDs, and now the Wii U won't even be able to play Blu Rays either. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Wii U = Dreamcast which of course means Nintendo = Sega which means Nintendo will become a 3rd party developer, unless Google or Apple buys them.

On another note, I still own Nintendo's best console ever and arguably one of the top 3 consoles of all time, which would be the Nintendo Entertainment System.

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MsclMexican5302d ago

well... this is going to be at the top of the N4G headlines...

xCaptainAmazing5302d ago (Edited 5302d ago )

Nintendo could definitely survive as a software developer, but I don't think it will come to that. People don't give them enough credit. Their games this gen haven't been to the visual quality level of some top tier developers (due to wii limitations), but they do and always have made beautiful games that have never once disappointed.

Nintendo's first party line up is probably the best out there due to how vast it is (this of course is arguable, but denying they have great games is foolish). I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'll definitely be picking up a U this time as someone who completely skipped the Wii. Hopefully Next Gen will give gamers the desire to own more than one system, instead of making it seem necessary like this time because all of the consoles have pretty substantial shortcomings.

LolololRumz5302d ago

Nintendo never disappoints me with their software, from the Wii I loved:

Mario Kart
Super Paper Mario (Such an amazing game!)
Twilight Princess/Skyward Sword
WarioWare
Mario Galaxy

I always wanted to see what would happen if these games were on a different console so they could do it.

I'd just like Nintendo to go back to their old ways, the hardware just went downhill ever since they changed the name from 'Revolution' :(

morkendo235302d ago

i would not mine ZELDA,MARIO, METROID,CONTRA,DONKEY KONG on ps3

ronin4life5302d ago (Edited 5302d ago )

Remember when sega went software only? All we got were BAD sonic games for nearly a decade. All of segas other ips died out, and they still haven't recovered fully.
Nintendo has stated that if they completely crash ever in their history, then they take their ips with them( which I'm sure is hyperbole, but it does illustrate their strength and determination). They refuse to go software only, and if things ever got that bad for Nintendo it would have to be at the point of no return where they would be financially forced to go software only or die out completely, and by then the only thing they could afford to make would be mario.
Thinkingthat a software only Nintendo would be good for anyone is unrealistic, as is the thought that it could even happen in the near future.

Sgt_Slaughter5302d ago

The Day that Nintendo goes Software-only is the day I stop gaming.

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PieMonster5303d ago

Sorry, but the big "N" is no longer a contender in the gaming department. Maybe Nintendo could merge with Sega (they're already doing crossovers with Mario and Sonic).

_Aarix_5302d ago

Nicely put my ass. Nintendo is still big.

Squatch835302d ago

''Sorry, but the big "N" is no longer a contender in the gaming department.''

lol @ the troll comment.
Nintendo has the best selling games this generation.
The top 10 selling games EVER are all Nintendo games, and at least 5 of those are from the past 6 years.

Shok5302d ago

What?

And kube00, you agree?

Are you people mentally ill or something lol?

-Alpha5302d ago (Edited 5302d ago )

There are a lot of Nintendo critics on here.

When the chance arises, I see many comments trying to wish Nintendo out of existence. They had a ball when the 3DS was at its lowest.

I don't mind the discussions, but I find that people treat Nintendo much more critically than either Sony or MS, and the fact is that there really isn't a Nintendo group big enough to defend Nintendo. But, as much flak as Nintendo may get, I will always prefer them over Xbox, and in some instances, the PlayStation.

And I still maintain that their existence in the market is just as important as Sony's and Microsoft's.

zeal0us5303d ago (Edited 5303d ago )

Yes if they throw away that "value of videogame" crap. How could they survive in a software/mobile game market if they pricing their digital games at $20-$30+? While on iOS&android appstore/marketplace pricing their games at .99-$5+.

ronin4life5302d ago

? The most expensive a Nintendo download game has ever gotten, to my knowledge, is 12~15 at max.
You must be thinking of someone else.

PieMonster5303d ago

Actually, they've been doing better as a handheld company. Maybe they would be better off getting rid of their console division.

kube005303d ago

True I think they could survive financially as well

GraveLord5302d ago

In a few years handhelds will have the power of consoles anyway so I think Nintendo is at an advantage in that department since they have so much experience and brand recognition.

I can see them being the 1st to make the 1st handheld/console hybrid.

cee7735302d ago

in about a year tablets will be as capable as consoles

they are already capable of the last gen consoles and much more thanks to 512-1gb of ram and faster processors

GTA III run smooth as butter on my novo 7 advanced tablet with a 1.2ghz A8 processor and mali 400 gpu 512mb of ddr3 ram and i can add mods just like pc

Software_Lover5302d ago

But I think they would need to stay in the handheld market because they are like apple. Release a product, it sells millions. Update that product in a year or 18 months and it sells billions. One last shrink down update a year after that and it sells trillions. Then drop the price and release a new product.

But on consoles, Mario spread around playstation and xbox would sell well.

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U.S. patent examiner rejects Nintendo’s summoning characters patent as obvious: non-final ruling

The rejection is non-final (and even when such rejections are labeled as “final”, the process is far from over, given that there can be, at minimum, an appeal to the Federal Circuit).

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Relientk77104d ago (Edited 104d ago )

Good, as they should! A game mechanic like that shouldn't be locked behind a patent, and Nintendo didn't invent it either.

PRIMORDUS103d ago (Edited 103d ago )

Nintendo wants to keep wasting money on bullshit lawsuits, real smart in this economy. They should put that money aside for other game projects. On the other hand, I don't care if they waste it all either, and they are screwed in the future maybe that will teach them a lesson.

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Nintendo Completes Share Repurchase and Sets Price for Secondary Offering

Nintendo completed its share repurchase and set its secondary offering price at 8,347 yen ahead of March 16 delivery.

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Nintendo Suing U.S. Government Over Tariffs

Nintendo filed a lawsuit in the United States Court of International Trade.

Nintendo of America is suing the United States government over the sweeping tariffs President Donald Trump put in place last year, according to a complaint filed Friday in the U.S. Court of International Trade and obtained by Aftermath.

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Deathdeliverer129d ago

Well dayum lol. Old agent orange pissing off every industry and nation.

0hMyGandhi128d ago

The fact that you have ANY disagrees will forever baffle me. And to the (apparent) MAGA contingent that exists on this website, enjoy your 8-9 dollar gas.

AuraAbjure128d ago (Edited 128d ago )

Yes, they had better be pissed after Trump told them the way they rip off the USA is over.

EveryPlatformGamer129d ago

LOL I read this on gaff, will they refund the money back to the gamers? highly unlikely. Didn't they just raise prices and pass it onto the gamers? Only Nintendo would send out the Ninjas to the US government.

-Foxtrot129d ago

That’s what I was thinking, imagine them winning hypothetically, getting a s**t load of money back which they would have lost if they hadn’t raised their prices and it’s business as normal.

It would just mean people paid more for no reason since they got the money back anyway.

Outside_ofthe_Box128d ago (Edited 128d ago )

A lot of companies partially passed the cost to consumers instead of all of it. They would still have to at least pay that back to gamers, but we know that won't happen. What's also sad is that prices won't come back down after the initial hike caused by tariffs.

People didn't understand the full repercussions of tariffs. That alone should have cost him the presidency if people knew it was a permanent price hike for consumers

Inverno129d ago

The people should sue these companies for having to over pay cause of these tariffs.

Eonjay129d ago

Naw they should sue the government for forcing the tax to begin with. No one reasonably expects these companies to absorb the taxes. Many smaller companies tried and were shut down or faced to increase prices to try to maintain their business. The tariffs effect everyone.

Inverno127d ago

I meant it mostly as a joke cause we all know the costs of these tariffs were passed onto the consumer. But it's seems no matter how vocal we are here in the states our "representatives" don't seem to care enough to represent us. And things are about to get worse.

Killer2020UK128d ago

The companies were doing what the law required then to do, the tariffs however were illegally implemented. Usually it's criminals we punish, you seem to have different ideas 🤷‍♂️

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