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Will Microsoft Ditch Kinect Next Generation?

Velocity Gamer: Support for the original Xbox dropped the moment the 360 hit shelves and the motion gaming gimmick may have run its course, so will Microsoft's major focus on the peripheral end when the new Xbox arrives?

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yesmynameissumo5278d ago

Not at all. They'll hopefully improve it and give me a reason to buy one.

ABizzel15278d ago

I can actually say I enjoy Kinect (a couple of games). It's great for parties like the Wii, but it's also enjoyable because it actually gives you a workout.

yesmynameissumo5278d ago

See, I just game. I don't party game and I don't look for my console to give me a workout. A couple of games isn't enough reason for me to buy Kinect. Maybe next gen they'll have some uses that work as well as their E3 vids had people hoping for.

gamingdroid5278d ago

If you have friends or family that isn't a solitary gamer like you, then when you are with them break out the Kinect. You will have a lot of fun!

Kinect replaced my Wii as a party system.

If you are looking for something to replace what you have now, then there hasn't been a single gaming related device that can replace the controller.

yesmynameissumo5278d ago (Edited 5278d ago )

I'm not a solitary gamer, I just don't "party" game. I play the PS3 and Wii with my kids and wife, but it's more they want to watch me play Batman or Uncharted or we play Costume Quest, EyePet, Wii Resort or New SMB together. I'm not convinced I need to set a "Let's jump around!" atmosphere when I game in order to have fun. While they have their place, I want to see a Kinect Heavy Rain. I want more than dancing or exercising or on-rails or distractions that aren't even games. There is a tremendous opportunity with Kinect, but they're not showing me anything to make me think this is a must have.

ABizzel15278d ago

I have friends and family who come over to my house and therefore it's well worth the purchase for me.

Dance Central, Kinect Sports, Wipeout, and Kinect Adventures are all games everyone enjoys, so it may not be worth it to you, but it is for me.

evilunklebud5278d ago (Edited 5278d ago )

Agreed.... Great fun at parties, epically with beer and wine.

Our kids dig it as well (they sweat playing it).

It needs more quality games though.....

Mystogan5277d ago

i believe they will use kinect for party games on 360 so it will keep selling and a new Hardcore version of kinect for Xbox 3 with less features then the kinect for 360 games in example maybe only half body motion tracking and it would have a Massive accuracy increase. so less features more accuracy.

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AgentWD405278d ago

there is any doubt that kinect will work with the next xbox and with the additional power maybe they can get rid of the lag and be more abitious with it

FlameBaitGod5278d ago

I think this is the dumbest question of all time. You think after spending 500mil of adds their gonna ditch it ? pleas... you don't have to be that smart to know.

Solidus187-SCMilk5278d ago

Im pretty sure that they have already said that it will be compatible with the next xbox.

evilunklebud5278d ago

Some Kinect hate disagrees on this thread.... oh well.

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darthv725278d ago

not with their recent announcement of kinect support for windows. Unlike other companies that release add-ons MS may actually be inclined to support this to success.

Others who release an add-on release it to little fanfare and if anything, they dont support it themselves. Sega, nintendo, Sony and even Atari are all guilty of this.

kneon5278d ago

Or maybe Kinect support for Windows is to try and get the Kinect sales going again. It sold really well up front but from Microsoft's own numbers it would seem that sales have declined dramatically.

I think the outcome of the holiday season will play a big role in the future of Kinect. If they can reinvigorate sales then all is good, if they can't then it could very well be done.

darthv725278d ago (Edited 5278d ago )

interesting you bring those up. HDDVD wasnt MS's so when the format was canned by Toshiba there was nothing more they could do with the drives. I think they should have retrofitted the 360 and started making games with the format but hey...it was a business decision.

The live vision actually had more support than the eyetoy. It just wasnt what MS had in mind and was more of a filler while they worked on kinect. Both are good examples of products that failed due to changing conditions. Not lack of support from the parent company or other companies.

A really good example of an add-on that died from lack of support...the dance pad. You could really only use it for one type of game and there were some creative people that reverse engineered it to be used elsewhere but not everyone would go to that extreme.

Same holds true for the guitar controller. Although, I was able to play a few other games with it simply because of the dpad and buttons. Street fighter was pretty funny doing that.

You see...sometimes these things are after thoughts and not really the focus of what the company has in mind. MS has been working on gesture control on the PC for years. Being able to shoehorn the idea into consumers via a game console is not the first time something revolutionary like this has been done.

PS2 helped DVD become the de-facto standard for movie watching in a world dominated by video tapes. Its abilities were revolutionary compared to video and sony can be very proud for helping define a new generation of movie watcher.

Sega had the 32x which they didnt back even 1/10th of what they did for the sega cd. Sega cd was their best add-on and had very lucrative support not only from sega but practically every 3rd party developer sega was friends with. Nintendo had the failed superscope and (of course) the power glove. They even had a modem and ethernet adapter for the GC that never went anywhere.

Sony has its fair share as well. The eye toy didnt get the support it deserved but it did lead them into making the pse and eventually the move. Although...the move is questionable because so many are more reluctant to give up their controller for the games that support it. As if sony is tacking on move support just to keep it relevant.

Their modem/network/hdd adapter wasnt all that successful but again, it gave way to them building these features into the ps3. If a company want to make something a success they will find a way. Like i said with kinect, MS is to vested into the idea of gesture control on PC to not let it slip on the next xbox or even the current 360.

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TheBlackMask5278d ago

Hopefully....then they can focus on the things that made the 360 so great in the first place.

I want the old Microsoft back, honestyl Kinect was never for the core audience yet Microsoft kept insisting...sorry STILL insist today that it's for the hardcore aswell.....sorry but thats BS.

I knew it would happen when Kinect came out and I got told I had to have faith and I was being silly....guess I wasn't wrong afterall. Kinect destroyed Microsofts reputation to core gamers and most of their loyal audience.

SDF Repellent5278d ago

Sony did the same thing with the move, the only difference is that Kinect succeeded while the move falters. Microsoft is planning to bring the Kinect to PC so there should be no reason why it shouldn't be compatible with the next box. The Kinect with Steel Battallion next year should be a great hardcore game.

KingSlayer5278d ago

Move falters? At least 10 million (by now) sold and you think it falters? The fact you mentioned Steel Battalion (a game that has to be played with a controller) is hilarious. I need a bullshit repellent for your post. Lulz.

DonaldBeck5278d ago

your name is SDF Repellent, nuff said.

SDF Repellent5278d ago

Thanks DonaldBeck, I didin't know I was held in such high regard by you. ;) It is another X360 article, so why am I not surprised to see you here.

Hicken5278d ago

Man, how ignorant was THAT post?

Well, before I say that, I'll give you a chance to dig your way out of that hole, SDF.

That aside, I've enjoyed Kinect the way most people have: in a party environment. Outside of that, it just doesn't appeal to me. No, the GAMES don't appeal to me. And with Microsoft putting most of their resources into Kinect, it makes it hard for me to say their SYSTEM is for me.

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kaveti66165278d ago

I don't want Kinect, either, but the people have voted with their wallets and Microsoft isn't going to ignore that.

Shadonic5278d ago

its for all types of gamers its just that Microsft hasent really been pushing towards the hardcore at full force. They are trying to make progress with titles like rise of nightmare and steel battalion plus theres also the kinect game ryse by the creators of crysis. Really i think the kinect is being held back by the lack of power in the current gen consoles. We see hacks and alterations to games using kinect and they work like a charm on PC but when it comes to 360 kinect games its on the laggy side sometimes. It all comes down on how Microsoft pushes it and if they are actually listening and watching the amazing ideas the people are coming up with for the device. They need to make the next Xbox a console that pushes the limits of graphics and sticks to what makes the xbox great while also giving it the ability to push the kinects capabilities .

JsonHenry5278d ago

I don't use the Kinect for gaming, but if they ever get the software side of it to work better it is a very useful hands free media center remote and video chat option.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio1d 22h ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing1d 20h ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster921d 21h ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit1d 21h ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing1d 20h ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster921d 19h ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

Tanktopmaster921d 19h ago

Let me be clear. This is sarcasm

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay3d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn24d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn23d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown4d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay3d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay3d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac3d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger4d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster30004d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde4d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde3d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent755d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_3d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.