Therefore, Wii is best.

PS3>x360

edit: yeah. the fanboy with a qx6850,2gigs 1066corsair dominator , a nvidia 8800 ultra, a ageia physx ppu, a 160gig 10k raptor WITH ALL THE GREATEST GAMES OF THE PAST 4 YEARS.... surrounded by a WII(which i dont play) thats next to a PS3...while im waiting for a vgn-fz290...SO YES IM A FANBOY, a FANBOY OF QUALITY/ RAW HORSEPOWER.

I dont see what all the hype is about with uncharted, the game is just good!! its not the greatest game ever. the graphics aren't anything that the 360 cant do, its a good looking game, buy why do you sony boys keep throwing this game up!! if you had been playing 360 all this time, then uncharted would have just been ANOTHER GAME an not this game that you guys constantly hype up for no reason!!

is a warning shot for what's to come out of this console.

Prepare Flame Resistant attire and get in your trenches.

Sony rules MS's ass in terms of technology and product variety. movies, music, LCD, Plasma, you name it. the xbots have nothing against Sony in this department. all they can brag about is Halo 3 :D

look at uncharted enviorments and tell me what game on 360 has enviorments that are actually alive.its graphics plus everything else.u my friend obviously havent played otherwise u would notice the diffrence.its braught thing to a game uve never seen before and its only possible on ps3

Or at least not comment on it in a negative fashion

...

flame on!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember you guys used to use Lair as an example of the Cell's power. And we all know what happen to that game. :)

360 is better in my eyes so i dont care. its a flop everywhere and not even its "power" can change my mind, i want to play games, not solve world hungry ffs. ps3 fanboys are so nerdy and take things way to seriously

Break the surface for AIR . This writer speaks of Sony's POWER.

This Same Writer published an article back in September saying
Saying Sony didn't stand a chance. ( not a nice one )

All the Neigh Sayers will be LOVING SONY VERY SOOOOOOON .

Too bad Sony crippled their great processor with a terrible memory architecture, old graphics chipset and worthless software development system. Cell is great at folding at home, but developers are coming out of the woodwork to state that the PS3 has no power advantage on the 360 when it comes to games. In fact most games look better and have faster framerates on the 360.

"Massive advantage": LOL! Can you say Madden 2008? This article is a joke.

I own them both, I play them both, I love them both....

Xbx gets some live lovin', ps3 gets some lair/ratchet/motorstorm lovin'... and soon Killzone, and mass effect and assassins creed and halo 3 and cod4...and...and...

For christs sake its a great year for gamers, just play an shut up with your petty fanboy crap...

I am a fanboy, of games

The cell is a great piece of hardware, but Sony intended to use two of them in the PS3. And IBM designed the cell with toshiba and sony. So three cooks each wanting the chip to different things. From what I understand the cell is the best thing for media processing. For gaming though it is a beast because develoers have to change thier libraries and tools to fit the architecture of the cell. In a closed enviroment the cell would be outstanding, but there is money to be made and part of that is spending as little as possible to get as much as you can. Developers are cheap these days so the cell won't be fully exploited for a very long time

to see the reaction of some around here whenever anyone has anything nice (and true) to say about the PS3...

It's like a litmus test to identify 360 fanboys.

... all those who hate on the PS3 is cos they can't afford it.

Pokey mofo's

if you got the cash buy em both then, you can flame yourself.

Dumbelinas!

CELL has been proven time and time again to be a terrible processor in a games machine. It is crippling the PS3, increasing development costs and resulting in inferior ports.

This is one of the big reasons why Sony is begging third party developers not to dump the platform and why Sony is getting rid of its CELL business like rats jumping off a sinking ship

Prove it Sony, prove it. So far there is no proofs what so ever.

Wait BEYOND, Play BEHIND!

now if we can get someone to use it in a game like gta, maybe getaway 3fixme will be destroyed.

How many articles a week do we hear the same thing about the cell?

I think... the PS3 fits right in with Sony fanboys... show them specs and they will get a hard on... xbox 360 owners are all about the games... we are not interested or care if the xbox 360 can be use my rocket scientists to calculate the trajectory of solid matter ($h!t) from earth to the outer region of the Milky Way galaxy.

Pleople speak of how inferior the xbox 360 is compare to the PS3... and maybe they are right... but as far as games are concern.. there is very little or no difference between them in terms of power.. as many multiplatform game developers have stated.. they both have strength and weakness... though Sony fanboys will never admit the PS3 have any.

They talk about games like uncharted drakes fortune as if it can't be done on the xbox 360... a game that no dares to say it looks better than COD4. More than a year after the PS3 release and what benefits does being able to use the PS3 as a super computer, web server, corporate server, drive cars, etc have done for the benefit of games?

I doubt the cell will be on the next playstation.. it's proven to be designed for blu-ray and not optimized for game development.

Then again.. as Sony says, 10 years from now (lol)... who knows what Sony will be using. or the xbox 4...

If Sony had actually delivered anything that blew the 360 away, then there would be no need for this article.

Its only the fact that they haven't that means that this kind of desperation is required.

Maybe the cell is the dogs, but not in the PS3 - not yet.

after will be UT3 and racthet!

i saw mass effect its looks good and graphics is smooth and good also but please dont let the fanboyism blind u to compare mass effect to uncharted!! its like u compare a donkey to a horse!!

My friends with no games, I commend you. You try each day to prove the superiority of your console. Oddly, you're never playing it. I wonder why? No games?

But man it's got a sweet processor. Just think, the processor can handle all those commands at once, but then wait. The RAM can't. They d!cked you on the RAM. ROFLMAO! AHAHAHAHA

And we thought MS was bad at hardware. AHAHAHA

Sony's Massive Advantage for PS3 = teh cell

Sony's Massive disAdvantage for PS3 = teh cell

hmmmm?

ee aaarrrrr

sorry couldn't resist:)

When all said and done, well all know the cell is a powerful cpu, yes its different from the 360. The 360 cpu/gpu works well and its a tried and tested route, more or less.

The cell is not a tried and tested route for games, only now are you seeing games, multiplatform wise i'm talking working without slowdown.

cod4
I'd think assassins creed will be flawless, but you never know.
Either way, uncharted, r&c, motorstorm,resistance, all run without hitch.

It'll only get better and better.

On the subject of Lair. The control scheme should have been done better,and should have included analogue. Graphically its very nice, but i'd disagree, it doesn't push cell to its limits or ps3 for that matter, i'd say factor 5 pushed what they knew about cell&RSX to their limits.

While mass effect looks better then it did awhile ago, its still got that cheap plastic look to it, kinda like farcry, with crysis the skin looks realistic. Even uncharted looks alot better.

Anycoder can slap a shinny shader on something, its when to use them and when not to.

Maybe americans are like magpies, they like anything shiny. Don't take it to heart i'm only playing.

Ohh really and yet the PS3s GPU is based on old technology, hell it cant even display AA and HDR at the same time ala x360!

fought off their temptations and stopped this from becoming another flame war...

*sigh*

The XBOX CPU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH the 8086...

No Seriously... This isn't an Intel X86 processor... This is an IBM (Different company, different design) RISC Processor. (Intel x86 is CISC)

There are several "types" of desktop CPUs the 2 major "types" are Intel X86 and IBM Power PC RISC...

The original XBOX had and Intel X86 Processor (PIII Celeron Hybrid)-Like a DELL PC

The 360 has 3-Dual Thread IBM Power PC RISC cores- Like a Power MAC!

As different as possible...

AND, MAY I ADD, that the (Main) CPU in the PS3 is the EXACT SAME as the XBOX360. Both are 3.2 GHZ IBM Power PC RISC CHIPS... The XBOX360 has 3 of these, the PS3 has 1 plus 6 SPEs

If anyone hasn't seen or downloaded GT5 Prolouge from the Japanese PSN. I Strongly suggest you do now!!! Its by far the most spectacular photo realistic graphics i'v ever seen. And i'v seen everything. Amazing attention to detail, and make sure you check out the co-ckpit view and also press R1 and look at the exsquisite detail of the rear seats. Watch the rolling demo's too (serious). It will blow you away.
I have a 360 just incase... for the potential fanner boy spin ill cop.
But if any one is in doubt about which console has superior graphics. Check it out!!! make sure you watch it in HD too. You can see every material used to build the car. This is THE ONLY display of 'NO WAY' Gobsmacking next gen iv seen this Gen!
I truely rest my case, as my mates did too.

If anyone hasn't seen or downloaded GT5 Prolouge from the Japanese PSN. I Strongly suggest you do now!!! Its by far the most spectacular photo realistic graphics i'v ever seen. And i'v seen everything. Amazing attention to detail, and make sure you check out the co-ckpit view and also press R1 and look at the exsquisite detail of the rear seats. Watch the rolling demo's too (serious). It will blow you away.
I have a 360 just incase... for the potential fanner boy spin ill cop.
But if any one is in doubt about which console has superior graphics. Check it out!!! make sure you watch it in HD too. You can see every material used to build the car. This is THE ONLY display of 'NO WAY' Gobsmacking next gen iv seen this Gen!
I truely rest my case, as my mates did too.

If anyone hasn't seen or downloaded GT5 Prolouge from the Japanese PSN. I Strongly suggest you do now!!! Its by far the most spectacular photo realistic graphics i'v ever seen. And i'v seen everything. Amazing attention to detail, and make sure you check out the co-ckpit view and also press R1 and look at the exsquisite detail of the rear seats. Watch the rolling demo's too (serious). It will blow you away.
I have a 360 just incase... for the potential fanner boy spin ill cop.
But if any one is in doubt about which console has superior graphics. Check it out!!! make sure you watch it in HD too. You can see every material used to build the car. This is THE ONLY display of 'NO WAY' Gobsmacking next gen iv seen this Gen!
I truely rest my case, as my mates did too.

Gears of Wars destroy any ps3 game to date.

Know why.
BECAUSE THIS ARTICLE IS WRONG!!!!! and you fangirls ate it all up... Follow me here boys...

Too bad the 360 doesn't have a x86 based chip even IN THE THING!!!!

It has the same POWER PC core as the CELL!!! It uses three PPC cores, CELL uses one PPC core..... YAY!!!, SO, this guy is dead WRONG!!!!

also, distributed processing has yet to be proven useful at all for gaming, Cell is like Snow white and the seven dwarves in concept and practice.

Xenon is like 3 snow whites..... Dwarves need stools to reach things, i could go on and on,,, lol.

seriously though, they are both actually based on the same core....

THINK PEOPLE!!!

lol,

I hope someone sees our post amidst all the slinging.

The information on this article is completely wrong and as always sony fanboys fall for the trap.

Shouldn't you be buying games instead of trolling, 50% drop in sales for R&C in it's second week. It's selling very poorly, stop trolling and start buying PS3 games.

*goes back to COD4 on 360 with fully working online* :)

i think when you buy a 360, and then think about owning a playstation, the red ring shines turbo brightly and blinds you. Thats the only way i can guess that some of you people think mass effect looks good, and uncharted does not. You must be sooooo freaking high. Get some glasses, burn your 360, and get a real game.

This can all be explained in one sentence.

The U.S. is biased toward shooters.

AH the fanboys are out strong and hard on this one..........

K first off all I got to say is that fact that sony has all these "great" gaames in time for the end of its first year is hello the next gen started 1 year befor they even got into the game...hence companies have been working on these games for way longer then the PS3 has been out....hell they have been working on them b4 the 360 has been out so.......... to say omg loook at teh games out after the first year is just foolish cuz some of these games have been worked on for many years!!!!!!!!

All I have to say is big deal both systems both have had some good games in its first year not a big deal......and I am sure if there was a new system out during next year it get even better games since it be last on the scene and jus gobble up the games being developed already for the new systems........

360 has had a pretty steady flow of games since its launch....sony has been a little rocky up to the past what 2 month.....anyway thats no big deal that happens and they do have some sweet looking games in 2008...which is finally when ill go and buy my PS3, when the system seller type of games hit the shelves. B4 I hear u dont have a PS3 because u aint got money or any other ignorant comments I will just tell you now to shut up....cuz really the cost isnt a factor I dont mind how much it costs at all wouldnt effect me any.

SO yea anyway games like Uncharted do look nice and is a pretty sweet game but dont get it twisted not the prettiest game to ever hit a machine and it wont be the last. Also for judging a game like which Mass Effect is more then just pretty its and epic story that is suppose to make people go in shock and aw on how well it tells this story. To compare these games is moronic..since the games are totally different styles and for totally different types of people.

Just because any of you own a 360 and a PS3 doesnt mean you guys are special...hell I think half of you are retarded and need to get a life cuz sry the machines are not getn ya laid or anything and i`m sure PALMela Anderson wants a break from her job.

Ahhhh basically go game because it dont matter how pretty the games look if they are not fun to play....then they are BIG PILES OF CRAP...example Far Cry was a super pretty game...gameplay wasnt great.....cough (Lair) pretty yet ugly to play............

Catch my drift all shut up its ridiculous....and no one really cares

The reason Gears was so graphical is that it had small levels.

Small levels will have way more details and be more graphical.

Any dev could do a game like Gears.

Uncharted has a hand-to-hand combat system and bigger environments than Gears.

Look at Logans Shadow for PSP compared to Socom 2 and 3 for PS2. Logans Shadow blows away Socom in graphical power, but if it were a game like Socom with big maps/levels the graphics would be "dumbed down".

But Uncharted has a slight edge when compared to Gears, because of the big levels and the little details like when Drakes pants/clothes get wet you can see the water being soaked in.

Plus there is more stuff to do, so when you put all this in a game with amazing graphics you get the total package that outshines Gears.

Also, the PS3 is hard to develop for but still looks amazing, so I think it is a great game that can be compared to Gears.

None of the games (exclusives) that i have seen on the xbox 360 are appealing at all. Ok you have Halo 3, basically a halo 2.5, and other shooters that i could care less about (except gears) that are not appealing at all. I can only feel sorry for people that alrdy bought a 360. So much potential and great games coming for the PS3 i'm having a hard time figuring out when and what to spend my money on. :)

Well pimp thats you opinion thats why you buy a system that makes games of the style that youd like....360 has more fps then most and that a huge crowd of the 360 players...with some interesting new types of games comming next year but both system have a variety of games to cover people tastes depending on what your looking for.

ps3 has killzoned all platforms, so thats all that matters

yah just keep recycling the same bs it really looks good for ya sony.

Here's the 360's 'massive advantage':

Games.

The next Playstation will have more than one Cell.
Twing Twang

it really doesnt need more than one cell, that would only make ps3 do what it already can, faster, pointless

It's nothing new, we've known this since 2005, and there's no reason to get all sensitive when someone says PS3 is significantly more powerful. It's not only scientific fact, but the software has been proving it from day one; it's just a lot more obvious, now that we're finally getting through the first year of the console's life cycle and developers are starting to get some experience with the platform.

Uncharted and Killzone 2, for example, are only utilizing 30~50% of the PS3's potential, yet look at what those games are accomplishing. It's going to be really interesting to see what PS3's 2008 lineup accomplishes from both a technical and gameplay standpoint.

*also: Anyone who's played the Uncharted Demo off of PSN has probably gotten the sense that the playable character has A.I. imbedded into his animation system.

The cell processor still has an IBM Power PC CPU just like the 360 its just not triple core instead they patched on 7...or 8 SPEs which are not full blown processing units unlike the cores in the 360...soooo that means that the PS3s Cell has the same roots as the 360...besides they are not going to get away from that type of architecture till quantum processing come out.

I like all the funny posts above ^^ either Sony haters, Xbots or PC whores, way funny~

PlaySation 3 has Nothing to Prove it will just Show You in time like All Great things.
The rest well if life was a Poker Game, they Already Showed therr hand and its nothing Special.

Kids Say funny things cuz therr not really smart.

The Dreamcast was also the most powerful system of its time...

i would have to agree with the post, PS3 having the most powerful processer. But, i bought the 360 for the games, simply put. I love Halo, and now I like Gears of War even better.

In my opinion, i think PS3 will continue struggling this generation because Cell is still too new to developers and not enough video RAM, and the 360 always going to be much cheaper thus much higher attach rate....but come next generation, with the rights to the Cell processer (and by then developers should know better), and a much better video card, 2 or 4 meg ram perhaps... then this might be Mercedes of video games consoles they were reaching for.....

i love the idiots that say ps3 doesnt have enough ram, they just dont know that even if ps3 had 0 ram, it would still blow everything away in graphics, this is why i laugh at all of you

doesn't matter what the PS3 can do.

The problem Sony has, is what the 360 and Wii are doing.

Blow consumers away with games and they will purchase that console. Sony seems to be taking toooo long to achieve this.

Sorry but uncharted is better then gears, Don't get me wrong, Gears of war is a great game, and probably will stand the test of time pretty well. But i'd say uncharted will also. Graphically they are close, but i'd still give the edge to Uncharted due to decent shadows(soft edge) Realism of water, Animations are the best i've seen for along time.

Xbots: Simple saying Gears of War etc, doesn't cut it anymore, its as simple as that. There are many games to come which are even better looking then uncharted:)

The Future's bright, The future is SONY Exclusives.

it matters what the ps3 can do, that is why they are called next gen machines because they can create graphics and AI, that has never been done before on last gen console. examples of which are lair, heavenly sword, ratchet and clank and uncharted drakes fortune and none of this games can be done on any other console except ps3 because of the cell processor advantage.
other gamers would say(especially xbots) i bought my console because i want great gameplay then they should have bought ps2 or wii which is a lot cheaper, but when you are speaking of a wholistic approach to gaming, like if you want, stunning graphics, lifelike AI, big environments and a longer gameplay then look no further because the answer is right here and its the ps3.
one word people buy it while you can and don't be left out because once people see's how uncharted drakes looks and feel you will all know next generation is almost here.
play beyond! peace out dudes!

One of the most important part of reading, is being able to comprehend, interpret, and analyze what you read. That is why to this day i am confused, in particular with Sony Fan boys. How is it exactly, that you can go read about the hardware specs of both consoles, read what they can do; what they cant do, read about how the xbox is doing very well in sales, read about how all your exclusives are coming to xbox, read about how the 360's online is better. read about..everyting... and not understand it. However when you find some article on some website called www.IMadeThisWithYahooGeocitie s.com about how the PS3 is Teh PwnZors... all of a sudden you are an EXPERT! and anything ON that website must be correct! true!. OR better yet, some Developer for a PS3 game says he thinks the Ps3 is stronger, and Magically you share his opinions, ideas, and beleifs. Then you go, and post it on a forum where all of your fellow fanboys agree, and to Hear them make rude unfounded claims about the ps3 and insult people who play 360 somehow envigorates you.

One of the most important parts of writing(particularly informative writing), is to be able to Give unbiased(:P) information that is supported by facts and then analyzed from the writers perspective. Lets lie for a second, and say the ps3 is better. Even In this case, this articles title of "Massive Advangtage" is a blantant lie, those of you able to read hardware specs KNOW that the Cell is by NO ACCOUNT a gaming processor, and if anything is very similar in power to the 360s processor. Similarly the Extreme bias and unfounded claims, as well as the misspelling of words (please dont catch me on my OWN misspellings, as this is informal) make this article worthless. I can honestly tell you 100% that if i turned this into my senior english class as anything other than a Fictional story, i would get an F.

on that note 6 threads that can do Anything, are better than 7 SPE's that can do one small thing each.

If the PS3 blows the 360 away eventually in terms of graphics, then congrats, but I see no evidence of this happening any time soon. I've seen the graphics for Uncharted, and R & C, etc., but I don't think that they're anything the 360 can't do. As far as impressive graphics go, I think the in-game footage from the upcoming (and by upcoming I mean in over a year) Resident Evil 5. I've seen the preview in HD on my 360, and I'm sure it looks the same on the PS3.

As far as anything that's out right now, COD 4 may be the best, or Gears (except for the resolution). I know most will disagree with me since this thread seems to be mostly PS3 fans, and that's OK. I just honestly don't see the PS3 outperforming the 360 graphically at this time.

interesting and yes the cell is looking good however I still very much doubt the games will be looking better than PC games as with games processing speed is only 1 part of the jigsaw. However im sure we will be seeing PS3 games getting better and better and when some games come out which I really like the look of e.g MGS, little big planet etc then I will consider getting one as I have my Hdmi port free. Got the wii in component, 360 in the vga port and would have the PS3 in the Hdmi.

Sorry i just had to comment on cheatmaster's comment. I will not get into all the fanboy crap both consoles are alot closer than people like to think but hey cheatmaster you really did give me a good laugh first you say that the PS3 is selling better than the 360 that is funny then you say that the PS2 is a more powerful console than the original xbox i am sorry bud no matter how much you adore sony you have just lost all credibility!!

i better will wait for FFXIII, MGS4, GT5, KZ2 and etc.
i don`t mind wiating, because i have a LIFE, besides gaming.
and i have a lot of games to complete yet, and very little time for that.
so i don`t care, but all what can i say,

Ratchet true looks like pixar moovie, maybe not identical to costing 10 000$ supercomputer created image, but close enough to that quality. And that is only first year ps3 game, i just remeber some 1st year ps2 games.. and they were no near as good as FFX, MGS2, GT3, DMC and etc.

Naruto true looks like anime, that`s just awesome. x360 game looks good with cell shading graphics, but ps3 game.. this is something beyond. It`s just better, maybe not that much, but that difference make ps3 game look like an anime, that`s what i call NEXTGEN.

FFXIII, that is my/our dream since FFVII, game which looks like CGI, i mean, LO looks great/good with UE3.0 graphics, but again. not enough good, as CGI, and, UE3.0 problem with x360 - jaggies, while white engine don`t have jaggies.

All what i want to say, x360 is good for gaming, crappy console, and it`s just a LITTLE to weak, to show REAL nextgen games, the difference between ps3 and x360 is not like between heaven and earth, BUT, that difference is ENOUGH to make PS3 games look like NEXTGEN.

p.s. though, as for me RE5 looks close to nextgen, and DMC4, probably also will be like nextgen. But just having 2 year, and realesing something like Halo3, PGR4, Mass effect on x360.. i mean, is that real or atleast 90% power of x360?
come on, after 2 years on PS3 will be KZ2, GT5, MGS4, FFXIII and TODAY x360 has nothing near lookings as good as these games in temrs of graphics.

ROTFLMMFAO

inspire at least some of these kids to go study computer engineering or computer science to find out for themselves instead of just repeating crap written on blogs and websites without really understanding what it means.

again the source article is inaccurate (the 360 cpu is not intel based) and not very detailed and is flamewarbait.

these PS#3 exclusives that are out are average games on the 360. Want proof? Just look at the sales. Next Gen don't start til Sony says so.
Jump In

I look at it this way... Last Gen Sony won hands down with ps2 but xbox had superior specs and was starting to show some superior games. Unfortunately the Xbox lifespan was short.

Sony This gen for the first time since its entry into the gaming Industry has brought a console (PS3) with specs superior to its competitions consoles. PS3 is going to be around long enough to show its superiority and IMO that begins in 2008 (Uncharted, R&CTOD,Warhawk) All Fantastic but the 08 line-up and beyond is a wet dream IMO. P.S. All games should have the Anti - Aliasing that R&C TOD has ...frigan perfection.

I would be surprised though if PS3 ever showed a big difference in graphical prowess over 360. The difference between PS3 and 360, Is like PS2 and Xbox. Not that big a difference. Well Unless the cell's true potential is tapped and blu ray's extra space is utilized. Well then theres Home ... and a fee free network that will eventually be a big draw IMO.

I think Sony is the technological front-runner this round. Eventually ps3 will reach ps2's success. Wii and 360 will be discontinued before reaching ps2's success and replaced by consoles that will likely make ps3 look obsolete. Ps3 in this time will have the largest install base by far though and be reaping dough for sony while ps4 sucks the life force of sony down but not as much as ps3 did in research and development etc.

Note: Usually the console which is the Technological front-runner does not come in at #1 in regards to largest install base. according to sales -> (N64<ps1) , (Xbox<ps2).

The PS3 could do this though simply because of its longevity and thats why Sony looks crazy and was getting pooh'd on in the media so long. Until lately Sony's strategy is starting to unfold.

That being said Only way to experience every great game to the fullest though is to eventually shell out for each console and its respective AAA exclusives and to build an ultimate gaming pc because after the dust settles each console and PC has its must have exclusives IMO.

-- "I would be surprised though if PS3 ever showed a big difference in graphical prowess over 360." --

You're right, in that some things for the most part will look the exact same, but not everything. Not the same type of lighting, the same type of effects on screen at one time, and the scope of detail therein. That will all change become more complex in the lifecycle on the PS3 as will music & sound, depth of the game, and graphics even 4D possibilities.

You did mention one thing though that was absolutely true and that is:

-- "Until lately Sony's strategy is starting to unfold..."

So true. Only a few people remember way back when, when SNE stated that the PS3 was a well thought out part of a (((plan))). With Sony there's always a plan. In the case of the PS3 it was, build the best, longest lasting console possible, with technology that will be in everyone's home this century and as an aside, happens to be able to help save lives thru research.

Brilliant.

the supercomputer thing will be taken advantage of soon enough.

and 360 is full of shooting games and aliens(ugh, space nerds) and its games always port to the PC anyways, so why bother?

"my system is proven so much better that yours from day one...blah blah blah"...real logical guys...ummm...wow...this is so dumb. Why not actually try out more than one system, people? Since when is that a sin? I've had so much fun from all three competitors, each of them has great stuff to offer, and you guys seem to think people who like the other system should burn in hell because of that...if that's what being a gamer is all about, I'm ashamed to call myself one.

Grow up guys. And if hardware is so important to you, just listen to what the multiplatform devs say (except ea, cus they couldn't even manage a decent n64 game) and not to what MS and Sony say, cus they'll obviously just be biased. And especially don't cite fanboy comments from other forums as "reliable sources" cus they're not, they could be made up by some 12-yr-old brat for all you know. But the fact of the matter is, ps3 and 360 are extremely close in power, they just operate so differently, and the ps3's structure favors physics a bit more, while the 360's structure favors graphic detail a bit more (an unintended compromise).

I'm not gonna worry myself about hardware nor software at all this generation, I'm gonna enjoy all 3 consoles and my flipping awesome quad-core pc, which is hardware wise superior to any of the consoles anyway, but I still enjoy them just as much, I just won't be missing out on anything due to exclusivity.

True, eventually the devs will optimize code and the cells spe's could power superior lighting, 4d effects , physics etc. It will only take time, middleware .. and games whos engines are built to utilize all this, and Firmware updates hehe.

I remember reading about tekken 6 using some middleware for its water already for dynamic splashes etc. pretty sweet. Sounds like the advent of next gen water graphics/physics.

In all honesty I bought the Xbox 360 because it ahs the games I wanna play, thats all there is to it.

While you guys go and have fun debating whose GPU is better or who has more ram, I'll be playing with friends online in Halo 3.

either Jump In, PLAY BEYOND or STFU!

I play halo 3 too and Cod4 etc. Until I get tired of playing for the day and see what there is to discuss. Multi-facited they call it? I play recreationaly and am interested in machine guts and expanding my understanding of the way things work. I am not easily amused.

Peace.

i uh........actautaly indeed know ps3 is stronger than 360.....the real question is how much.

games like uncharted and rachet clank prove that the ps3 is a power house, however games like mass effect bioshock and even eternal sonata prove that the same can be said of the 360. the real power is shown through gifed developers. and right now, it's safe to say the neither console is in short supply.

so, advantage is not through power, rather through the clear showcase of it. which is up to the developers to prove. and power is meaningless without a way to harness it. good sdks on BOTH sides provide developers with the tools (and support) to make magic with what they've got to work with.

add to the equation a developer's abilities to tap into the deeper workings of the machine, and you've got the big picture: harnessing the abilities and strengths of a console's setup, while minimizing the effects of its detractors.

if you want to say ps3 is stronger, sure. but by no means will stronger EVER mean better. just watch "Fearless", jet li's awesome martial arts movie. "He had the power to kill in the end, but it would make him no better than his enemy if not for the ability to restrain it...to understand it."

DUH!! who didn't know this? But you know what? power does not equal great games, and that's all that matters.

All please do read what Jvanleuvan wrote. It is the truth and you can't deny it.

Well too bad all that technical mambo jambo and paper specs time after time mean SH!T

Sony said this already with the PS2, 10 times more powerfull then the other consoles and what did we see? The XBOX 1 gave the PS2 a beat up in power/graphics

And now again, multiplatform games look and run best on the 360. The power of the PS3 is in folding @ home with the Cell and streaming video. That's about it.

You can talk about the Cell all you want, but as a gaming console the PS3 sucks donkey balls. Learn to live with it without these pathetic documents to cry yourself to sleep Sony fangirls

Silly kids, uncharted is nothing special to the gaming world, you PS3 worshipers say every new game that comes out on PS3 is the best game ever made and proves the "power of the cell" so you guys have lost all credibility, you guys were saying Resistance FOM was better than anything the 360 could do, so your words mean nothing, uncharted is just another tomb raider knock off.

Quoted DIRECTLY from the first page of your link:

"We decided to put this Microsoft-provided information up undigested. Thus, enclosed is a Microsoft-made comparitive analysis. We have not altered, added, or tinkered with the data. We have not interpreted the specs. We have cut and pasted this information from the email into our site and formatted it. Make of it what you will, but be clear we know Microsoft has clearly slanted this info, and we're not endorsing it, just printing their version. There is a difference."

Clearly slanted this info...not endorsing in any way...MICROSOFT MADE ANALYSIS....hmm...

FYI to anyone who cares, that analysis, or tripe as I'd rather call it, has been known to be bullcrap for over two years now.

The one large important fact people overlook is that micro still makes developers utilize games based on the fact that not every 360 even has an HD.

Mistake number one. And we all know that the 360 games are having trouble fitting on one disc.

The available space is only like 7.95gb's, correct?

And more than this, we have seen that Uncharted uses not only the HD but the Cell to do all kinds of things Normally used for only the GFX chip and general processors (non SPU's).

You see, no matter how much of a fanboy you are, the PS3 has the backup of bluray and an HD in every single Ps3 produced.

You can't stray from this fact unless you are stupid.

My argument here is not that the 360 sucks, far from it if you have an ELITE, so stop right now if you would like to flame, but many users in the future will have to really cope with the problems that will be coming FOR SURE in two years time.

The PS3 will be the platform of choice in a few years because it is simply more logical.

GTA4, I don't know what to say, but they sure as **** better not dumb it down so we can ALL PLAY IT.

I honestly PITY people who bought the core 360 package. WHAT A MISTAKE?

For micro and the consumer....

It's sad because they really could have put an HD in those systems and not lost so much of their prized cash.

And while were at it, how about making a system that actually works for more than a year.

Pathetic.