Are Console Ports Killing PC Gaming?

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blitz0x5461d ago

That is unfortunate. PCs started it all in many cases.

kane_13715461d ago

Ummmmm gaming began with consoles.
what are you talking about?

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QuodEratDemonstrandm5461d ago

The Magnavox Odyssey in 1972 was the first game console. The PC and DOS didn't happen until 1981.

So that's 9 whole years that Console gamers didn't have PC fanboys looking down on them. (Joking)

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Ranshak5461d ago

Well PC gamers did start some of todays popular genres:

First person shooters, Real Time strategy, Massively multiplayer online.

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fluffydelusions5461d ago (Edited 5461d ago )

Gaming definitely became more popular because of consoles. I've been around long enough to have witnessed it happen. Not many people even had a PC in the late mid/late 80's/early 90's but if you were a kid back then you definitely had an NES and of course before that the Atari, Mastersystem, Caleco Vision etc etc. PC became more popular in the 90's with games such as doom and the like. I only knew a handful a of people who had a PC back then and it certainly wasn't for gaming purposes. THAT SAID, the first video game was definitely on PC...
http://inventors.about.com/...

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Too_many_games5461d ago (Edited 5461d ago )

@Ranshak

if the PC created FPS and MMO's and made them how popular they are today, then i would build a time machine and kill the PC lol. the reason videos games suck these days is BECAUSE of First person shooters and MMO's

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Bigpappy5461d ago

There will always and has always been a place for both. Gaming has always been the driver for advancements on the PC. But, the consolse have always been there and always lagged behind the PC technology wise.

Porting to console makes sense and is needed for developers who invest a lot of money into game developement and need to recoop that money if PC sales are not high enough. The eco-system has worked for years, and is part of the driver for the evolution of game consoles.

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palaeomerus5461d ago

Before the PC and DOS there was the Commodore 64, Apple 2, and TI-994A, and Various 8088 machines that ran CPM in the home.

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captain-obvious5461d ago (Edited 5461d ago )

saying that games on PC dont sell really shows how ignorant some ppl is
the thing is
PC gamers are used to high quality stuff
they are used to alot of content which means alot of time and money to make

while console only gamers
are OK whit very little compared to what PC gamers expect

let alone games on PC drop in prices fast due to popularity of DD

SO

publishers this time like to publish on consoles because they can milk them with DLC and stuff and make sure they work much less than PC versions since console gamres are not as demanding as PC gamers

thats why we have stupid console ports

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-Alpha5461d ago (Edited 5461d ago )

PC gaming is "teh hardcore"

And that is essentially why we have so many watered down ports. Consoles simply home too many simple minded crowds who cannot bother with learning more complicated mechanics

But it's not just watered down console ports we are dealing with. Actual, genuinely "hardcore" console games are getting watered down themselves.

Just look at what happened from SOCOM 2 to SOCOM 4, or Killzone 2 to Killzone 3. Many great features are simply stripped out or made "easier" to use to streamline the product for the masses. It's incredibly unfortunate.

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Anarki5461d ago

Hahaha, don't make me laugh. The title should be "Is piracy killing PC gamning?" consoles did nothing to PC gaming, Piracy did that looooong ago.

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Veni Vidi Vici5461d ago

If you really want to get technical, computers were made before consoles and one of the first programs made for the first computers were games. So, yes, computers started games. Not consoles.

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Theonetheonly5460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

well lets just think about it this way PC brought about the polygon. :)

oh and without nvidia and ati consoles would still be in the stone age, the gpu market on pc is what makes the awesome graphics leaps on consoles possible.

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evrfighter5460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

ive been saying this for years.

Henry Ford stuck to the same Model T for over a decade while the competition began to innovate. By the time he realized that sticking to the same formula wouldn't work it was too late. They have played 2nd fiddle to Chevy since.

Most 3rd party devs are now just barely seeing that developing for pc as lead is the smartest decision they can make. We all saw what happened to Crytek when they stuck with that old model T.

They basically came crawling back to pc gamers apologizing and begging us to get them out of that hole they stuck themselves in.

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XRider5460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

People been saying PC is dead since the release of PS3 and 360. Accept for a couple games like Red Dead, most games are also on PC. PC is still here and still the superior platform. Hell, most console devs use PC to make the games then port them over to console.

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MaxXAttaxX5460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

No you fool. "Computer" does not necessarily mean "PC".
PC and DOS did NOT exist in the 1950s.

Did you know that consoles are ALSO COMPUTERS?
Consoles are computer systems designed specifically for gaming.

PC gaming as we know it did not start until a decade after the first videogame console and other systems.

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vickers5005460d ago

"since console gamres are not as demanding as PC gamers"

Graphics don't matter as much to console gamers as much as it matters to you PC gamers. We like to have fun with the actual game, and while graphics do play a part in our enjoyment of gaming, it's not a very big one.

Almost every comment I read from PC gamers make it seem like they are only interested in the tech, rather than the games. Obviously that's not every PC gamer, but those of you who tout "tech" as a reason for PC gaming being superior to consoles make it seem that way.

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radphil5460d ago

I find it funny no one referenced to the "first" electronic game being made from radar equipment.

Iroquois_Pliskin5460d ago

slow news day...

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Dee_915460d ago

yay more pc vs console arguments

AKS5460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

@Vickers500

"Graphics don't matter as much to console gamers as much as it matters to you PC gamers. We like to have fun with the actual game, and while graphics do play a part in our enjoyment of gaming, it's not a very big one."

Is that a fact? Well, I guess I must have misinterpreted quite a few things in those Red Dead, Mafia II, Bioshock, GTIV, ect. PS3 versus 360 threads in which PS3 and 360 gamers argued about pixelated grass or the pixelation about the back of a dead Big Daddy for 10 pages each. Or the endless wars over exclusives. I tried to play peacemaker in some of those threads, stating they really look pretty similar, and I was told I didn't know what I was talking about and given a bunch of disagrees.

I also am willing to bet that when the next generation of Playstation and Xbox are released that graphics will suddenly become very important again.

I game on 50/50 on PC/PS3 most of the time, and I'm pretty sure I am more tolerant of low end graphics than most of you. I started gaming with the Atari 2600 and still enjoy retro games of the early generations as well. I had a great time in the Genesis/SNES generation in particular. I think I've played through the Streets of Rage 2 re-release on PSN about 5 times already. LOL.

But I also enjoy the high end stuff on my PC, as well as the hobby of just putting together and improving my rig. People that take the time to learn about putting hardware together and how it works aren't going to get pulled into the silly "subHD" debates or expect something like Battlefield 3 to run in 1080p/ 60fps on a 6 year old machine. It wouldn't hurt some of those trashing PC gaming to learn a bit more about it and about what factors are involved in making a game run and look the way it does. Making a game in 1080p isn't as simple as just switching on the 1080p option, and there are a number of other factors and trade-offs that can make it look much better than increasing the resolution. That's why the best console developers often do this. They know what they are doing and how to make a game run well and look the best it can.

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lil Titan5460d ago

@kane_1371 & @fluffydelusions gaming became popular because of "Arcades" not PC nor consoles or you can say Mario, gaming started on the PC was introduced as a console because PC gaming just like it is now is expensive and father didnt want Jr playing on his work machine, consoles only came out because the demand of having the experience of a arcade at home was wanted its really funny since almost all our tech started out from the army as simulators theres more to gaming history but thats brief lesson

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STONEY45460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

"Graphics don't matter as much to console gamers as much as it matters to you PC gamers. We like to have fun with the actual game, and while graphics do play a part in our enjoyment of gaming, it's not a very big one."

That's definitely why 99% of the time, the most played game on Steam is Counterstrike Source. Those graphics man...

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stu8885460d ago

The PS1 and N64 started this mass market gaming.

Games like Mario 64 and the original Tomb Raider started it, not PCs.

(exception of Doom)

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pixelsword5460d ago

No, stealing games are killing PC gaming.

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x5exotic5460d ago

@Ranshak "Well PC gamers did start some of todays popular genres:

First person shooters, Real Time strategy, Massively multiplayer online. "
the worst genres ever that are ruining gaming altogether

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BeastlyRig5461d ago (Edited 5461d ago )

Unless it's bf3, Valve or Blizzard game of course..

I like the fact that pc has the best shooters (like Red Orchestra 2 or Arma3) that are not mainstream & famous! That's why they are still good games I suppose..

Cod went from army game to run and gun arcade.. Dice is sticking to pc & not making it a mass appeal game for casuals..

Not that arcade shooters are bad or anything.

But I do think pc will be the last breed of what we call hardcore gaming..

pc bring new and innovative games while console are victims of trends.

If it wasn't for Dice everyone would have only cod as a option later this year!

blitz0x5461d ago

How are you going to spend the time to comment on an article you reported as lame?

Note the irony in the last thing you approved:
http://n4g.com/news/794145/...

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Hanif-8765461d ago (Edited 5461d ago )

It might not be killing PC gaming but they are getting some shabby ports though!

iamgoatman5461d ago

^ This!

It's got to the point now that I never buy games that I know to be console ports straight away new, I always wait a month or two to see how a title runs and if there isn't any underlying problems that could potentially appear on my hardware. If there is then I'll make sure I get it used sometime later for next to nothing if at all, but if a developer has put the effort in then I'll make sure I buy it new. I've never pirated a game.

The lazy devs out there looking for a quick cash grab don't deserve my money. I'd say standards for a PC game are higher than a console game, if the game isn't up to scratch it will flop hard. Theres as much opportunity to make money as console gaming, just as long as you don't treat us like chumps.

hiredhelp5460d ago

for a while now alot devs are concertrating more on consoles. And there for have let the pc market slide thats why when we get a pc game thats also on consoles. youll find alot of them have been used on a low to mid end pc market so it cant be adpated for consoles.
this has let the pc gamers in my eyes down for a long time. cos while the devs step back concerntrate on titles for the consoles. you have
Intel and AMD, pushing there hardware wars apon us so we go out upgrade. but end of the day were not getting them used to full potential specially top end video cards.

But even thoe i feel the tide is changing now back to PC we will always have a better loking game if you have a mid range to top range video card. cos even if the devs dont utilize the pc powers. the video cards do that for us.

however i see some here debating the old chicken and the egg thing witch come first. well as we know about games they need a pc to create them on. from my history i beleave the oc was the first. but for the mass market the best pc game in the 80's early 90's to me must be the amiga the first 16 bit' (saves) expandable ram.

personally if i could go back intime to my old C64 HELL EVEN THE OLD SEGA OR NES. i would cos had more enjoyment less hasel then today its all about money today not about games.

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MostJadedGamer5461d ago

The industry will be better for everybody when PC gaming is dead.

STONEY45461d ago (Edited 5461d ago )

And console advancement will slow to a crawl if that happens. Nvidia, AMD, and Intel are the sole reason consoles look the way they do today. PC gamers give those companies a reason to constantly improve hardware. Consoles would probably be looking like PS2s right now.

Whether you like it or not, consoles need PC gaming.

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Veni Vidi Vici5461d ago

You are incredibly ignorant if you truly believe that. Not only is the PC the sole reason the technology advances the way it does but many of the innovations and creativity in games are because of the mod community.

Not to mention the fact that you can use a mouse and keyboard. I'm sorry. I can't stand playing FPS's with a shitty controller that requires the game to program aim assist in it. I refuse to play FPS's on consoles because their controls are so horrible.

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Jonah_Reese5460d ago

Dude that was just stupid to say.

Ravenor5460d ago

As a Console and PC gamer, no..just you're wrong.

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DarkBlood5460d ago

well there are more console gamers then there are pc gamers which u know as well as i do that not everyone else is going to spend the bucks to big a pc rig.

espically familys who likely cant just do that for each individual in the group so as i see it in my eyes makes the consoles more popular in that sense

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Rettom5460d ago

You can easily buy a 300-400$ PC that plays way better than consoles. Modding FTW!

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Legion5460d ago

It was PC hardware that killed the PC Gaming. Basically the PCs have too many specs to deal with I remember having to deal with so many games that only worked with specific graphics cards and such.

Always having to modify my system to be able to play the latest games. Consoles allowed you to just enjoy the game by putting a disk in a tray. Not worrying about if my graphics card, memory or latest software was updated enough to play the next games.

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Ravenor5460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

Yeah, in the late 90's. Thinhs are different now, beyond minor differences like Physx and different forms of AA you'll find no difference between AMD or Nvidia cards. Unless someone dropped the ball driver wise, which is always unfortunate.

PC gaming really isn't as hard as it used to be, building and maintaining PC's is almost as easy as a console.

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Legion5460d ago

PC gaming didn't just recently die. As for specs and keeping up with them. Still not much difference in yesterday and today. New PC hardware capabilities means that developers attempt to create the best they can with the new specs and if your system is not up to par then you might as well own a console.

Even DirectX features cause pains in capabilities. Something new each day it seams with the PC. Which is good if you want to keep up with it. But the market doesn't sell to those few who like to play the upgrade game.

"PC gaming really isn't as hard as it used to be, building and maintaining PC's is almost as easy as a console." Really??? Maintaining a console... possibly having to wait for an automatic update if you go online. Maintaining a PC... numerous firmware and driver updates, compatability issues with specs and such. Having an open system that when you instal one program it tends to conflict with other software. It can be a nightmare depending on what you use your PC for... and how PC savy you are. The modern gamer doesn't care to learn how to change out a graphics card or even update all their drivers.

PC games have minimum specs on their boxes for a reason. Some machines just can't live up to those specs and most can't live up to ideal specs.

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Ranshak5460d ago

@legion

Build it right and it will last just as long as a console.

Games these days are designed with 5-6year old hardware (console). Any PC which was more powerful then a console 5-6years back still will be beating console at games today.

8800gtx from 5 years back still beats consoles in just about every game. Like i said build it right there will be no reason to upgrade for a very long time.

SuicideShaun5460d ago

I believe we call that being a "simpleton".

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Legion5460d ago

@Ranshak

To build it right you will pay more then 2 console generations. And still not have the number of good games available for the consoles. And you will STILL have to deal with regular driver and software updates... and software conflicts.

@SuicideShaun

I am assuming that you are referring to console owners as simpletons? I just have to say that console owners have great games to play and the entire family is enjoying the experience in their living room with thir wide screen HD setup. Majority of PC gamers still have their system in their bedroom so they can play games in between jerking off to porn on the internet.

My computer is used for graphics and game developement only. And though it is very capable it still has a few tweaks that prevent it from playing some games at their highest level. I still play my games on consoles. (though I used to be a huge computer gamer) but these days the computer just doesn't have the games that the consoles have... and I don't play farmville and WOW... which is the majority of ALL computer gamers.

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reynod5460d ago

@legion

Cost me about 800usd to make a PC with a 8800GTX when PS3 launched (PS3 was 600usd at launch, could never do everything a PC can), PS3 games cost alot more then PC versions. Check out the deals on Steam and D2D, PC is easily cheaper and superior in the long run.

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Agent-865461d ago (Edited 5461d ago )

Hopefully more developers will follow DICE's path with BF3: don't skimp on the PC version just because consoles can't handle it. Maybe, as more console gamers see the differences, they'll either demand new consoles or possibly switch over to PC gaming which has been having a renaissance of late.

Either way would be good for PC gamers: 1) new consoles wouldn't hold back PC games as much as they are now, or 2) having new PC gamers would increase that market and developers would give them more attention. Since MS and Sony want to drag the current console cycle out even longer, I guess I'll have to hope for #2 and PC gets more gamers wanting a better experience.

Ravenor5460d ago

Games like RO2 and Arma 3 show that the PC and bigger/better hardware can create game worlds and situations simply impossible on the consoles.

Jacobite5461d ago

A good dev should always push a platform to its best abilities to show what they can do, not skimp. I would rather wait for the PC version than get a console port but thats me for fps & rpg's anyway, I prefer racing and platformers on consoles.

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Agent-865461d ago (Edited 5461d ago )

I have a pretty similar outlook, but have slightly different tastes. I have my PC for FPS and RTS games and a PS3 for the sports, racing and action/adventure games (like RDR or UC2). I think it's a great gaming combo to have a PC and a console: I don't miss out on too many games.

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Raf1k15461d ago

I agree that they should push each platform but then you'd get even more whining on the other side of every fence just because there are some differences. Some people just don't get that different platforms have different strenghts and weaknesses.

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STONEY45461d ago

I 'm only using my PS3 for exclusives right now. I use a controller for any games on PC that don't too good on m/kb (some platformers, side scrollers, shoot-em-ups like Geometry Wars).

For racers, 60 fps is a big thing for me, as is visibility in the distance where a higher resolution helps, plus I have a wheel, so PC is the way for me.

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RedDeadLB5461d ago

I don't have a problem with multiplatform games when it comes to graphics, but I do have a problem with the lousy performance PC games have lately, because they are console ports.

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iamgoatman5461d ago

Some games do seem to be requiring more and more powerful hardware without an increase in graphics quality, or very little increases which does annoy me. It's just that because standard specs for gaming PC's are always increasing a developer obviously doesn't feel the need to optimise the game for lower hardware, so we end up with a game that used to run fine on what could be considered low end hardware now having say a sequel with very little improvement in overall IQ requiring mid range hardware.

Of course this isn't always true as some games actually become easier to run with the next installment, like Mass Effect 2, the first ME ran like shit and still does whereas ME2 runs beautifully for the most part, pretty much down to the fact that Demiurge ported the original and didn't do a great job whereas Bioware did the second themselves and it turned out good.

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RedDeadLB5461d ago

Of course, I agree. Take a look at Mafia 2 and GTA4. Mafia 2 looks better than GTA4 and it runs far more smoothly.

Optimization is key, something that developers today overlook quite easily.

Bad Company 2 is also another example of bad optimization. The game ran butter smooth on my PS3, but on my PC it just starts to drop frames from 60 to 20-30fps for no apparent reason behind it, there's nothing going on on the screen.

Battlefield 3 is coming, and is said to have system requirements similar to BC2, but it looks 10x better. Why? Because it's optimized for PCs.

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Darkfocus5460d ago

Bad company 2 had superb optimization. You just need a quad core to run it well.

Ravenor5460d ago

I also experience no problem with BC2 on the PC, doesn't matter which video card.

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Spinal5461d ago

PC Gaming is fine move on.

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Viper75461d ago (Edited 5461d ago )

Many of the most popular games nowadays are console games, so porting them to PC isn't killing PC gaming its actually keeping PC gaming alive.

without these ports there would be a lot less new PC games. For third party developers its all about getting their games to as many platforms as possible (ones that are relevant that is)

Luckily thanks to HD, and far better tech than PS2 era the PC ports are way better than 10 years a go.

Bob5705461d ago

Crysis 2.

Nuff said.

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Paralex5461d ago

Na, PC gaming is killing itself.

fossilfern5461d ago

Though I have mentioned it a good few times on here but play FEAR 1 on PC and play FEAR 2 and 3 and you can see how much it was watered down

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LeoDDestroyer5461d ago

I feel that developers are not optimizing the pc, but rather than improve graphic I would like to see better AI. Games either make them hard to kill or send wave after wave after you. I would like small groups with human like reactions and tactics.

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Rainstorm815461d ago

exactly and im not seeing that on ANY platform

TreMillz5461d ago

Now all of a sudden consoles is killing pc gaming? Not piracy? Not DRM? Not lack of quality games? No its the consoles....PC gaming is killing itself. When a game releases it sells more on consoles, has more activity on consoles, more games release on consoles and thats why devs release mostly on consoles. To be honest only some devs cater games to pc is because thats where they started. Imaging Sony putting killzone on pcs and giving them more perks and rewards and screwing over people on consoles. Its a slap in the face.

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Ravenor5460d ago

No one said we wanted Sony published games, I was fine with Crash only being on my PS1 the same way that I am more then fine with uncharted or Killzone only being available on my PS3.

It's when publishers take games like Unreal Tournament, Deus Ex, IL-2 Sturmovik (Cliffs of Dover), Supreme Commander, Quake etc Develop them into something that vaguely resembles the original slap a beloved PC franchise name on it and expect it to sell.

The first Crysis sold amazingly well on the PC, even with Securom. It had everything a PC gamer has expected over the years; Deep rewarding gameplay, A longer campaign, un matched visuals, AI beyond the usual scripted mess in everything released today and was relatively stable/bug free. The second did not sell like the first on the PC, why? It couldn't be, because they threw out all those things that made the original great is it?

I've loved console gaming my whole life, just like PC gaming. I loved them for being and doing different things, that's what made console games special and that's what made things like Deus Ex special. With the release of the PS2/Xbox &PS3/360 we've just seen more Dev's try to squish PC games into Console specs and it doesn't always translate and would have been better left a PC game.

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ClaveroRulz5461d ago

Articles like this are dumbing down my brain.

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Hifist15461d ago

PC gaming will never die... Besides PC doesn't have those crappy gimmicks like wiimote etc. so PC will be always the hardcore gaming platform.

Fools...

fullmetal2975461d ago

http://www.engadget.com/201...

I'm sorry but this comment is such a lie.

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ClaveroRulz5461d ago

PC is a casual fest too.

Or you want to talk about The Sims or Farmville? ;)

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Tyre5461d ago (Edited 5461d ago )

@hifist1 oh yes it will, Onlive will kill PC gaming from it's core=>no custom hardware build systems anymore, the graphics/CPU industry will be killed, no piracy, BigBrother gaming, no control, online ONLY...all that we loved about PC gaming will be destroyed and console gaming along with it, stop raving about Onlive folks.

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DarkSpawnClone5461d ago

I have a brand new gaming pc and after i got it i was actually surprised on how there was hardly anything to play i was intested in and every thing i was intrested in was also on a console and i really don't care about what looks better i think console gaming is alot more fun and friendlyer(Community wise)..you don't need a PC to play hardcore games or to enjoy them.

and What about the gimmicky flash games ? load of facebook app games which seems to be what everyone seems to be playing now a days.

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Bladesfist5460d ago

If you buy a PC too play console games only, then your a fool.

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house5461d ago

geez flame bate much like i told some one the other day there are games for everyone on every platform pc will be fine and so will consoles really no need for article

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fullmetal2975461d ago

Piracy is killing the PC more than bad console ports more than bad console ports.

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brish5461d ago

Amazon's top video game sales:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...

When I looked the top selling PC game was Starcraft II at position 53. The 52 items above it are for consoles.

Developers focus on console games because they sell. These days PC gamers are lucky if they even get a console port. A lot of amazing games never make it to the PC.

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SteveSmith5461d ago

PC gaming is killing PC gaming. They do a very good job at killing themselves.

Ether5461d ago

I didn't realize that a simple difference in the level of graphics between different versions mattered SO damn much to people.

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kevnb5460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

The term console port is killing me. If pc gaming is doing so badly why do we keep getting more and more support? The way i see it its just another way to play games, with plenty exclusive features and games i love. The consoles really are limited for what games they offer, barely any mmos, free games, games that women enjoy, strategy games, simulations etc... of course it may seem consoles are number 1 when you only play the type of games available on consoles...

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blink30205460d ago

But who the f*** wants to play any of that crap you just mentioned. I mean seriously, games that women enjoy? haha

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OooHJohnny5460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

lol unsecured PC fanboys...

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kevnb5460d ago

Im a pc fanboy, but i hate these guys just as much. I dont know what they expect, all my games work great on my pc and look much better than console graphics to me.

pnoozi5460d ago

"SITES" several examples? this kid is on his way to writing for the new york times...

SweatyFlorida5460d ago

Well devs are the root of the problem whether people like it or not, its not "consoles" fault, its the devs and their stupid philosophy of creating "equal" games across all platforms. Why not push each system to its maximum ability? If your putting so much money/effort into the game then make the most a player can get out of the game to his/her systems maximum potential (including PC)

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coryok5460d ago

console ports keep pc gaming alive. console sales are the majority of sales for pretty much all games, without the revenue that developers get from console sales they would never be able to use all the resources that a pc can provide

sure, without console ports, there would still be games being developed for pcs, but most of those are made by a few people and dont use even half of the available resources that some pcs can provide.

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kraze075460d ago

If anything's killing pc gaming it's ignorance.

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kesvalk5460d ago

ignorant ppl think PC gaming is dying, and forget it is on PC that a lot of genres were born, in fact, just some years ago we had minecraft making another genre for gaming...

not only that, but if you go on Steam, you will see a LOT of games, that are only available on PC.

not counting mods, because this would be beating a dead horse...

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european_cannon5460d ago

No way. PC gaming is terrible, and its killing itself, it doesn't need help form consoles.

camargo20125460d ago

terrible? EPIC FAIL PC gaming is by far the best way you can experience premium gaming!!!

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european_cannon5460d ago

Well that's your opinion man. I don't enjoy virus updates & windows updates while I'm playing a game. I hate using a mouse and keyboard for a controller, and name one GOOD PC exclusive game that isn't a RTS. You won't be able to because the platform sucks for gaming.

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zinkabass5460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

Premium gaming my ass,.. I have 2 monster rigs at home,...I buy a lot of multiplats for PC, but in terms of pure quality of an experience and polish of gameplay elements,.. dude,...

Premium games are exclusives,.. Usually PS3 exclusives,... Only shit that comes close to the polish of console exclusives is Starcraft and hopefully Diablo3,.. And Demon's Souls will still piss on every RPG ever made,..

I would not call it premium, just because I run shit 1920*1080 with absurd AA and Aniso,..(which is quite useless from where I am sitting, when playing on my TV), if what I am playing isn't all that great ,.. Hell,.. I am just playing Metroid other M for the Wii as I write this,.. and game is pretty damn great (and that shit probably runs at 480i or some shit, but the game is pretty good)

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iNMyFiN4LH0uR5460d ago

premium gaming is when you got buddies to play with, and considering gaming has generally taken of with the advent of consoles, personally consoles are the way to play especially since the best games around happen to be exclusive to the consoles.

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Kahvipannu5460d ago

Killing it? Lol, no. Dumbing it down? Yes.

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detroitkid5460d ago

More like developers that don't take advantage of PCs strengths are.

NnT32915460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

yeah, but it's hard to take full advantage of PC, because there're like millions of different hardware. Consoles, on the the other hand are easier to work with, and more affordable.

Kahvipannu5460d ago

@NnT3291

It really isn't hard, only reason they don't use PC's potenttial is that devs make same games for limited old hardware, consoles.

If they would just develop PC and console games separately (like BF3 is doing), PC would not suffer crappy ports. But as you stated, it all goes to the money, every game needs to come to the consoles too these days... -_-

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NnT32915459d ago

Yeah, but it's better that way. Most games are multiplat now (pc, ps360..), so every one can play, and the game will gain popularity quicker (cuz there are more people playing it duh XD ). Developers can save a big amount of time and development cost.

Kahvipannu5459d ago

Well, I'm also supporter of multiplatform titles, so more people can enjoy more games, but..

Devs don't save time and money when doing PC + Console versions, developing for PC is more simpler, and cheaper than consoles. It may bring more income when the games hit the market, but multiplatform development is not cheaper.

That is true that devs just port the game from consoles to PC, since it's cheaper that way, why bother using the hardwares potential? But that is also the problem, it's double-edged sword.

I stick to my first comment: Are Console Ports Killing PC Gaming?

"Killing it? Lol, no. Dumbing it down? Yes."

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ATiElite5460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

Cheap console ports to PC are just a way for a cheap Publisher to make a few extra bucks on a game without really doing anything.

Most cheap ports just end up being Pirated all to hell because most PC Gamers DO NOT buy console ports anyway. Perfect example The Witcher 2 vs. Fable 3 both released the same day. TW2 (dedicated PC Game) is way over 2 million in sales, 400K retail copies it's first week while Fable3 (cheap console port) is the laughing stock of every PC thread I've seen as 99% of the PC Gamers complain about how crappy it was ported.

Sure i enjoy some console games but for the most part I play PC Exclusives or games that utilize the power of my PC and my gaming style. PC Gaming is WAY more than just gaming on a PC as we have our own style of games that consoles do not have.

For the most part PC Gamers have really moved to MMO's as they offer something that consoles just can't do.....until next console gen when Console Devs start pushing for more MMo's because of it's HUGE popularity and financial gains on the PC just like Sports RTS FPS FPS/RTS QT point n click etc etc. and Yes Sports cause Electronic Arts started by making PC titles like Madden, Golf, Larry Bird vs. Dr.J before they ever made a console title.

all in all the PC is a very profitable platform. Remember the 360 and Wii are not sold in China and the PS3 is only sold in a handful of major Chinese cities while the Chinese have a huge library of PC titles like Crytek's Warface that i wish would come to the States.

The PC is doing fine even with these small number of crappy console ports.

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SJPFTW5460d ago

Piracy killed PC gaming. next thread

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zackacloud5460d ago

Every ports from X to Y it harm the biggest hardware.

PC then PS3 then Xbox 360.

Multi game on PS3 and Xbox 360 it effect on PS3.

Multi game on PC , PS3 and Xbox 360 it effect on mostly on PC then PS3.

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ufo8mycat5460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

I wouldn't say killing.

The lack of PC games (exclusives) is what's making the PC platform a little useless.

I am thoroughly enjoying The Witcher 2 on my PC, but apart from that game and the upcoming DIablo 3, there is nothing to play on my PC.

Everything else I can easily play on my 360/PS3 & HDTV.

Yes, sure I could get BF3 on my PC, but I prefer to play it on my 360, HDTV and controller.

I wouldn't say PC gaming is dying, it's just becoming less and less of a reason to game on my PC, since theres hardly any games.

RIP the good old PC days

Thecraft19895460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

Well I respect opinions because that's all it comes down to really.

I not big fan of crysis myself I just prefer crysis 1 over 2 as I think going A to b is lot more boring than going around massive island not locked to a single path.

Now I think when comes down to both games where not very good the story was terrible.

Also you could get bf3 on PC and play on a HDTV and use controller but you would get killed excessively.

Now I really doubt any 13 year old raved cod fan boys will could kill me on CS when they have used controller all there lives.

proevofan95460d ago

PC gaming has been dying for a while. The only thing keeping it afloat is Steam. Quite simply, people prefer investing $400 on a new console every 5-6 years than $700 (I'm being conservative there) every couple of years to keep up with newer PC games.

Then you have piracy, and even worse, anti-piracy measures like DRM.

Also, consoles are more "plug n play". Setting up a console takes a couple of minutes, installing games on PC is annoying and slow.

In a nutshell, PC gaming is too complicated for the average consumer, while consoles deliver affordable simplicity.

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ATiElite5460d ago (Edited 5460d ago )

Can you explain to me how PC Gaming is dying?

Better yet I'll explain to you. PC Gaming is not dying.

Consoles are all about buy a system watch a bunch of commercials and go buy some exclusives or multi-plats. that's the console business model.

PC is play a MMO $15 months or play a free MMO and buy stuff here and there which is called micro transactions. That's the main PC business model then you have the second PC model which is the old console business model which is go buy games but very limited advertisement plus mostly digital sales which reward publishers with more cash because they don't have to share the profit with Best Buy walmart or game Stop.

PC Gaming is not dying especially when Nvidia and AMD sell almost 50 million graphics cards A YEAR.....what's the Life time sales figures of PS3 and 360.

PC Gaming does very well it's just that some people do not understand that it has a different business model that requires almost no advertisement to be successful. Consolers get bombarded by commercials to go buy games where as great PC games are made famous by word of mouth. perfect example Minecraft has Zero TV commercials but has sold 2 million copies which is higher than the average 1.4 million average for console games.

World of Warcraft makes more money every year than any console game except maybe Call of Duty which had to sale 20 million copies to beat it.

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annus5460d ago

100% agree with ATiElite.

I don't understand how people see PC gaming dieing either. PC gamers aren't sheeple, not a huge percentage buy into the latest CoD, Halo or GTA so maybe the numbers look smaller, I don't know. A large majority of PC gamers stick to the one game for a long time. Heck, you have to look at the amount of counterstrike players who are still playing. That game is so old now, and yet there are still people playing. Even games like CoD4 on PC still have a larger player base than the console version of the games, because they all move on.

PC people are so spread apart in games compared to consoles. The sales may be less, but everyone on consoles moves to the next game in a few months and dies. That is the one thing that pisses me off. I buy a one year old PS3 game, and there is about 2 people (not exaggerating)playing the game. Yet I buy a 10 year old game on PC and it still has thousands of people playing.

And on a quick note about WoW sales. That game currently has 12Million subscribers, not games bought, SUBSCRIBERS, aka people who are still paying and playing the game. $15x$12mil a month = $180mil. Times that by 4 months to get price of CoD, $60x$12mil = $720mil. Times that again by 3 for the other 8 months left in the year, ($720mil x 3) = You are looking at 2160000000, which is 2billion-160million. That is ONE game, over DOUBLE the revenue of a SINGLE cod game.

Still believe PC gaming is dieing?

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TBONEJF5460d ago

Their were many great PC games that I remember used to play. DOOM/PRINCE OF PERSIA/WHERE IN THE WORLD IS CARMEN SAN DIEGO? Microsoft Entertainment Pack, and others. But the only thing I stop playing PC games is one not too many titles like we have back in the 90's the other thing is memory n graphics card compatible that's the only thing i dislike when new games comes out every year you have to keep upgrading your PC every time. I remember we used to have a IBM PC with MS DOS such a classic PC good ol games used to play with.

dkgshiz5460d ago

No, its just PC games have been lacking in quality and quantity. Excluding Blizzard games.

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Ranshak5460d ago

This year alone, Shogun 2, witcher 2, dawn of war 2 retribution, battle field 3 say hi.

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Tikicobra5460d ago

Oh yeah. I mean, sure, PC games like Battlefield 3 and Crysis 2 look and play as good as ever, but the fact that they're now appealing to a larger market is obviously killing PC gaming.

/sarcasm

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Jonah_Reese5460d ago

I'm not going to say much about this article because I don't feel like getting in on this PC vs COnsole Bullcrap. But I will say this about one of the games on the list DNF, it was a crap game, plain and simple, the author even said it. My problem was with the author I guess trying to dig to blame a console, if the controls were clunky on console versions I fail to see how that relates to the topic of "Consoles killing PC gaming" that's just lazy porting. Nothing is killing PC gaming it's just not as marketable as consoles. It drives me insane because the author is clearly overlooking the fact that the devs have to make the game playable for each and every platform.

parasit35460d ago

The wave of the future is PC gaming hindered by consoles :(

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gcolley5460d ago

are rubbish blog sites killing journalism?

Solid_Dave5460d ago

Let me answer you question: No.

Platinum_k5460d ago

NEVER!
But it definitely is a BIG INFLUENCE!

Varodor5460d ago

PC Gaming?O_o

MasterCornholio5460d ago

We have every right to enjoy games just like PC gamers. So if devs dont like it then dont produce the games for consoles.

debian_zac5460d ago

how is that related to the article or the topic the article was posted under?

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user98412885460d ago

sheeeeut upp all of yaz

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tigertron5460d ago

Lets be honest here, console gaming is becoming more and more popular. The industry has changed *Old Snake mode*, its more about convenience, and having your buddies around for a few beers and some multiplayer.

The fact is, with a console you don't have to keep upgrading to get the best, because you already have it. With PCs, in order to get the best out of a game, you have to upgrade. Do you think BF3 will look great and run well like the developers intended, on a 3-4 year old PC? the fact is with consoles, you don't have to upgrade for years. How long did the last generation last? 4-5 years. This generation has gone on for 6, and it'll probably end after 7 years, yet we're still being given top notch games like Uncharted 3 and Gears 3 to name a few.

Consoles are more affordable, easier to work with as you don't have to cater for different graphics cards and processors etc.

Obviously, PC games are being held back, its a fact, consoles are running on hardware designed in 2004/5, but the industry is changing. A few PC specific games like BF3 won't stop the change. PC gaming is changing, so lets accept the inevitable and adapt.

CYBERHATER5460d ago

What is wrong with these people! The PC will never die with or without console games. Games like Starcraft2, Dead Space 2, Left 4 Dead 2 in 3D on a top notch PC will blow you away!!! If you haven't tried it on the PC you better ask somebody before you open your mouth.

Ulf5460d ago

Laptops are killing PC gaming. The integrated GPUs that come on most cheaper laptops are FAR less capable than the PS3 and 360 GPUs, and the PC games are tailored to include the least common denominator (those laptops) for business reasons.

Laptops are totally taking over the home PC market, and have been for years. It's pretty ignorant to ignore them.

Tigerfist5460d ago

Yes and no. It's more like bad development decisions are killing the PC gaming. But then again, PC gaming is far from dead! Look at all the cool stuff steam is giving us. The ammount of multi-plat awesome MP games that are available for the PC also gives it strenght, take BF3 for example!

The Witcher 2... Starcraft 2... With so many awesome titles out there I really can't say or feel like PC gaming is dying.

Angrymorgan5459d ago

Hmm without the massive console Market, the games industry would be a very poor one, consoles make more revenue than pc gaming does so, consoles killing pc gaming?? I very much doubt it.
Also I'm fed up of hearing that console gamers are simple, lazy, not clever enough to learn to game on a pc... Bullshit, most console gamers have actual lives outside of gaming and don't have time to piss about with pc,s..
It's like iPhone vs android. iPhone every time for me, easy , simple to use and fast, like consoles

Zontar5454d ago

This Article is irrelevant. Pc gaming nor console gaming is going away or killing each other.