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Former Harmonix dev. bashes PS3

"I read various game forums from time to time, and often see gamers complaining about 'lazy ports' to the ps3. They often mention how the ps3 is the most powerful game console and blame developers working on the console for doing a bad job. Sony has all of these people duped by impressive marketing spin, and I'm often amazed at how potent this type of rhetoric proves to be. For those unaware, I'm going to break it down simply and explain exactly why ports to the ps3 will never be as good as their 360 counter parts, and why most ps3 exclusives will likely continue to suck."

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Bigmac5736657d ago (Edited 6657d ago )

PS3 has Eye of Judgment, that's all I care about right now. Anyone wanna play? =)

BY the way, here's a picture of this horrid monster: http://photos1.blogger.com/...

Fighter6657d ago (Edited 6657d ago )

He needs the light to hide his true troll self. When I say 'troll' I mean literal (like Shrek) troll.

The guy just got fired from Harmonix so he's definitely in a self-destructive mood. Xbox 360 and the Wii will probably be next on his hit list. That girl in the pic better watch her back when sh's in the same room as him.

Time Lord6657d ago

or is it ok when they bashing the PS3?

YoMeViet6657d ago

Shrek is an Ogre but I get your point XD

unlimited6657d ago

what whiny pity devloper..lol..what games have he made that was graphically amazing..heck i dont even know who he is at all..someone mad at sony for making his life harder..lol..is he even workin on a psp game or ps3..i read that sony didnt want anythin to do with him..maybe that why his going nuts and hating..

lmao..

Also have the best looking game out there compare to the 360..who crapping out on people each day..

ruibing6657d ago

So this is his version of a job resume to be hired by Gabe (from Valve)?

Marceles6657d ago

I guess that's why he's a former dev. Fired.

iceice1236657d ago

Bring up someones pic in this discussion makes no sense. Guess you finally see how much your console fails :) Lets see a pic of you sense you're so into bringing up others =)

marinelife96657d ago

I stopped reading when he said PS3 exclusives suck.

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sticky doja6657d ago

It was just a hunch at first, but as much as this guy stays on this site stating how great the PS3 is and is doing, their can be no other explaination. He posts constantly for like 8-10 hours a day, so either he goes to work and then comes home and spends 8-10 hours praising the PS3 on the internet instead of actually playing it, or the 8-10 hours on the internet praising it IS HIS JOB.

Anyone else feel this way? No one else on this website spends half as much energy as he does promoting the PS3 and bashing the 360.

shmee6657d ago

nasim used to work for VALVE

He is now part of a multiplat company

DO u want to refute a developer on this?

sorry nasim (not his real name)

I had to reveal your identity.

Nasim and his team are working on a big PS3 PROJECT .....u wd see his fruits in 2008 FALL

LOL PS3 IS JUNK LOL6657d ago (Edited 6657d ago )

Normally this is where I post something that makes me lose my bubbles (or lack of). For the first time I am putting up a serious post.

"wow this guy is being paid for this dont believe a word."

This is one of the most ignorant comments I have seen. The blog post is 100% correct. I am a programmer and I have done game programming before (nothing 3D but the underlying concepts are close to the same)

EDIT: I see 3 disagrees already and no replies. You PS3 turds are a bunch of idiots.

Not one thing he mentioned is false. I would like you to reply with some insight on how these comments are made-up. Game programming is all about "state"

You cannot determine the state of something if it is split across multiple processors. The problem is that you get "dirty reads" that are stored into the cache....meaning....that when you have a program that needs to know the exact state, it has to pass through one central point.....ONE CORE.

This is why we have servers. Servers act as a single entry point TO PRESERVE STATE. Since games need to stay in sync, the majority of the functions need to rely on ONE CORE. Hence why most of the SPUs aren't being used and as far as I can see they won't be able to find a use for them (outside of audio and simple tasks)

All of his points are valid and exactly why the PS3 is not doing well. It has an excellent source of power but not all of that power fits into game development.

Now with that being said. You start to see why the PS3 is getting crap ports. You have to alter your code outside the norm. This is time consuming and it will cause companies to lose interest (especially when sales are not as good as others). I feel that the AAA games to come to the PS3 are going to be exclusives. This is the only way developers are going to have the time and efforts to write code specifically for the PS3 architecture.

If you want to hit that disagree button, at least reply with a reason. Disagreeing without a reason just shows that you are a ignorant fanboy.
Give me some credit...I finally posted a REAL comment.

radzy6657d ago

back to halo 3 -team slayer

Icecold336657d ago (Edited 6657d ago )

Why would you post this guys picture?(Isn't it already posted with the article.) What point did it have? Does it aid you in making a personal attack against him because you don't agree with what he said.

This is a clear example of people hearing and seeing what they want to hear or see.

sak5006657d ago

@ Bigmac i doubt u look any better than this guy.

godofthunder106657d ago

this is what gets me from fanboys from both sides.when a sales report comes out that 1 outsold the other,they are wrong if the system they have didn't sell more then the other,like they know how many units sold and the people that keep up with sales figure don't.these post are the same way,they have a man here who know about the systems because he's a delveloper but people act like they still know more then him because he said things that's against their system,but he's not the only developer that said the same thing,i read a few articles where the developer said that the ps3 isn't more powerful then the 360 because of the way it's made.but still they have fanboys saying that they don't know what they are talking about well if they are right and he's wrong then why is it that
1st- the majarity of games that's on both system looks better on the 360
2nd-developers said that it's difficulity to program for because of the way it's made.
3rd-games for the ps3 is always postspone because they are having problems developeing them.

i'm not saying that the 360 is more powerful then the ps3 because it'isn't but the ps3 is more powerful then the 360.so instead of being stupid fanboys fighting over a kids game system like a bunch of 9 year olds on a school playground, they need to stop being bias and fact the facts,if you want to play all the good games you will need both systems and that's a fact i don't care what kind of spin you put on it and till the sony fans have proof that the ps3 is more powerful they need to face the fact and the same for the 360 fans.
so instead of making an a** of themselfs they need to just enjoy their game no matter what system they have and stop acting like they will get a % of the sells because they want receice a damn dime as a matter of fact micro and sony doesn't give a sh*t about them,so they need to stop acting an ass and just enjoy their games and act like a grownup instead of their shoesize.

Ignorant Fanboy6657d ago

His posts are so sloppy Im surprised he knows how to use a computer.

gerrard6657d ago

Oh really the PS3 isn't more powerfull than 360, doesn't need bluray?Tell that to naughtydogs and insomiac makers of Uncharted Drakes Fortune and Rachet and Clank: TOD

barom6657d ago

lol I guess there is a reason why he's a FORMER Harmonix developer.

KeiZka6657d ago

It seems to be allowed, at least when it's about x0/Wii bashing...

solidt126657d ago

I was never in to card games but I might get this game on the PS3.

b777conehead6657d ago

sticky blood mask the mart power of green doing the same on the 360 side as naism on the ps3 side

ry-guy6656d ago

Oh, so when it is someone posting a blog about how the Xbox 360 is inferior. Or that the Wii is underperforming, it becomes bashing?

This is probably on the better end of some of the blogs posted on N4G. This is an actual game developer who has dealt with the PS3 and is voicing his disdain for it while providing local and coherent arguements much better than the typical "PS3 4 14|=3!" or "PS3 has no RROD" or my personal favorite "We have Lair (control problems), Folklore (just a generally lack-luster game compared to the "excitement" people were for it), Ratchet & Clank (which is a great game), Uncharted (who knows), UT3 (which is multiplatform anyways), Jericho (was on alot of peoples lists for a while until reviews started leaking), Eye of Judgement (which is way too expensive in my opinion but a neat toy none-the-less), etc etc etc."

I'm tired of Xbox 360 fanboys boasting the numbers of sales and how the PS3 is getting stomped into the ground.
I am equally (if not more) getting tired with the Playstation 3 fanboys telling me their system is not underperforming and then spit out a list of games that have been announced from here until the next holiday season (and 3/4ths of those games, I bet, will perform below expectations).

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gamesR4fun6657d ago

wow this guy is being paid for this dont believe a word.

hazeblaze6657d ago

I very highly doubt he's being paid but he does seem to have his own agenda. For one, if we hadn't already seen games that look much more impressive on the PS3... such as Uncharted, MGS4, & GT5... then I could buy his story on the PS3 not truly being more powerful.

But the other thing is that there have been too many other devs stating that there is a lot of untapped power in the PS3 that gamers will really begin to see in the next few years, most notably is Mark Reins from Epic. And his word is a lot more credible to me than this guys.

The one thing I do agree with though... b/c of the additional coding and dev costs, most of the power we see for a while is going to come from the 1st party devs & 3rd party exclusives.

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skarn6657d ago

Or he's no longer getting paid not to say it :P

Either way, this is great flame-war material, don't you think?

gamesR4fun6657d ago

fine if not paid then certainly biased and like I said b4 a lot of convenient anti ps3 spin here in NA just in time for the holidays...

s8anicslayer6657d ago

i bet that new company he left harmonix for is being fully funded by ms,that piece of sh!t!he may just have gotten fired ,but anyway who cares,the ps3 without a doubt is technological advanced then the 360,activision just said so,cod4 looks better on ps3,nuff said

wageslave6657d ago

Irrational PS3 Fanboy Excuses:

"this guy is being paid for this dont believe a word"
"I hate EA" (and UBI, Activision, Capcom, id, Epic, and 2K)
"EA is MS's b!tch"
"MS funds all review-sites"
"EA=Peter Moore"
"Just Wait"
"Just wait till 08"
"just wait till 09"
"Lazy"
"Lazy devs"
"lazy"
"EA sucks"
"EA can't make good games" (Battlefild, most sports titles, Burnout, The Sims and upcomming Crysis and Army of Two)
"f**k EA"
"wait"
"when"
"somday"
"fantasy"
"lie"
"f**k Peter Moore"
"f**k MS"
"EPIC UNREAL engine is CRAP supposedly"

sak5006657d ago

LOL @ Wageslave:

dont forget to add ubisoft and capcom to the list of M$ payroll

ubisoft=lazydevs
capcom=moneywhores

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Premonition6657d ago

He says he reads the forum, then read this, what game you made that takes advantage of the PS3's power, that guitar game aint nothin, so you keep talkin like you big in the game industry, probably one of those low type devs nothing compared to the bigger players like Unreal, Naughty Dog Valve and all the others.

SmokeyMcBear6657d ago

wow did you read the comments on his blog.. just completely obliterate his post.. wow.

drewdrakes6657d ago

Actually most of the comments were stupid and uninformed. One guy said that blu-ray reads just as fast as DVD, not true AT ALL from the speeds ive seen in the specs. Also some guy brought up Halo 3's 640p resolution...but failed to mention that it renders 2 frames at 640p each time, making it render the equivalent of 1.5 720p frames per frame.

Bleyd6657d ago (Edited 6657d ago )

The average read speed from a SL DVD is slightly faster than the read speed of a Blu-Ray disk. The average read speed of a DL DVD is slightly slower than the read speed of a Blu-Ray disk. The issue at hand is that most xbox 360 games require a DL DVD in order to have room for everything.

I'm sorry if you believe that rendering 640p twice is the same as 1.5 times the resolution of 720P. That's just wrong. You really should do your homework before you start posting things like this.

THUNDERMARE6657d ago

There has been a post about reading speed on BR and DVD if you follow the news from about 5-6 months ago, you will know that dual layers DVD actually run at relatively same, if not, slower than dual or single layers BR.
If you are arguing that single layer DVD reading speed is faster then I wouldnt disagree but note that no game in this generation use single layer DVD.

techie6657d ago

Haha that post was very ironic...well done. Did you know Killzone 2 multi-renders 4 times the 720p...meaning by your reckonings, it would be 2880p! Deary me.

drewdrakes6657d ago (Edited 6657d ago )

Actually I didnt say it was better then 720p I said it renders as many pixels as a 720p frame multiplied by 1.5. And the guy who said the thing about killzone, that would be inaccurate. It would be that in one dimension, but because all you did was multiply by 4, it would no longer be widescreen. The width and height would be drastically different then 16:9. It would be 1440p if thats what you were looking for...

hitthegspot6657d ago

Blu-Ray is 3 times the speed of DVD... You don't know how much I hated to say that..

read it here http://electronics.howstuff...

3rd page

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techie6657d ago

Not really much to talk about here. Just posted it on a real forum - Beyond3d seeing what they thought of it, and my post was deleted...explaining that was nothing of technical importance, or even accuracy in the blog post.

MikeGdaGod6657d ago

"The fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, meaning that games either have to run at lower resolution or use simpler shader effects to achieve the same performance."

can someone name one game on the 360 that run native 1080p @ 60fps???

*crickets*

WAR_MACHINE776657d ago

that right there was what had me laughing. oh and the exclusives will always suck thing, lol, some one better get Kojima productions, Insomniac, Infinity Ward, Square Enix, and Naughty Dog on the phone and tell them their games will always suck. The fact that this all came from a guy that worked for Harmonix only makes it funnier, even their next gen games look like their PS2 counterparts.

sak5006657d ago

@scottie:

If 360 devs use same textures as p3 uses of ps2 then most games would end up @ 1080p @ 60fps. BUt the high rez textures and normal mapping on most objects in games like H3 takes most of the bandwith. Any game out there on ps3 which has bumped/normal mapped textures other than MS?

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Goodguy012d ago

Yes. Just make a good game instead of worrying it should make some kind of stupid social/political differences in the world... we've got enough of that in the real world. Games are places we can escape to and just have fun.

z2g2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

How about you make a game that’s important to you and the people who are interested in that buy it and the ones that don’t like it don’t have to buy it. Just because something bugs some people doesn’t mean there aren’t other people who it doesn’t bug. Someone’s hangups shouldn’t be other people’s problems.

Don’t want a game that features a political or cultural statement or an underrepresented group of people? Don’t buy it.

Not all of us just want vapid, mindless fantasy all the time. Sometimes we want something that represents us or means something. There’s nothing wrong with that. Look how many movies in the world have covered so many types of stories, people or historical controversies to huge successes. Games are no different.

Eonjay2d ago

The plot to remove representation or ideas and content that you dont approve of is an agenda within itself. Its also censorship. People need are trapped in this main- character syndrome where they believe that the world and all of its happens are fashioned for them alone.

crazyCoconuts2d ago

"Don't buy it"
Exactly what people do.
And then big companies are reminded why if you want to make money you may not want to do things like villainize half your market. If you want to preach one side of an argument you're gonna lose people. At least do the Deus Ex/GTA thing and show the warts on both sides so everyone has something to agree with

senorfartcushion2d ago

We’re still waiting on that Splinter Cell remake…

raWfodog2d ago

On the flip side of that, good games can have characters of different ethnic and social backgrounds without thinking that some agendas are trying to be pushed. I've played many, many great games throughout my life with many different characters (male, female, white, people of color, even some animal characters) and loved them all simply for the story and entertainment they provided me while I escaped into those worlds.

senorfartcushion2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That’s not possible.

Being a child doesn’t remove the political points of OLD GAMES, we were just kids. In fact, older media was decidedly more political than some of the cowardly, childish efforts we have today.

This is precisely why we are still to get that Splinter Cell remake. We can’t have a fun Splinter Cell game with AAA graphics because a few virgins don’t want “politics in their games.”

neutralgamer19922d ago

Keep gaming free of nonsense. Agenda pushing in social media age has gotten worst

senorfartcushion1d 12h ago

Name a game and I’ll tell you what the agenda was

Notellin2d ago

"While our first game is faith-based"

Yeah you guys want to get rid of all the politics and play a nice Southern Baptist game. We get it.

Christopher2d ago

He should follow his own words, then.

*** That changed around two years ago, when he started consulting for Bible X, the studio behind the Christian-based game project Gate Zero. Last month, Gibson, through his recently established publisher Templar Media, acquired the developer.***

Not sure there's anything more political in history than religion.

S2Killinit1d 21h ago

But his statement is also an agenda. Hope people are intelligent enough to know that.

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z2g2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I fail to see how representing actual underrepresented or making them feel included is an “agenda”. This is an extremely self centered selfish viewpoint. Those actual underrepresented people just want to be recognized as valid. The privileged majority who are always represented take that for granted and can’t deal with the fact that “other” types of people or views exist. Inclusion or awareness isn’t an agenda. It’s representing reality and making those “other” people or stories be seen and align with actual reality.

There are literally thousands and thousands of games to choose from, and if you are annoyed that some have cultural or topical relevance, that’s your problem and you don’t have to buy them. Meanwhile other people who want that actually have games that speak to them. So sick of this “my way or the highway” attitude.

And there are plenty of games out there, if that privileged majority have an issue or don’t want a game based on cultural relevance. Pick up a Switch. Most games are g-rated, noncontroversial cartoons with stories fit for tweens. No reality to get mad at.

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KyRo2d ago

It's always me me me me me with you lot. There's a difference between representation and forcing it for the sake of forcing something to a very very loud but very small minority.

Christopher2d ago

You really are only proving their point with this sort of response to the idea of people feeling included in some games versus the plethora of games without it.

Outside_ofthe_Box2d ago

We need to define what "forcing" is because I've seen people say things like Aloy being female in Horizon is pushing an agenda or catering to a "very very loud but very small minority" before.

dveio2d ago

@z2g

I personally think you've nailed it here.

For decades, wether in film or music, there had been ONE primary target group.

And if you're looking further, even in economy, laws, courts or any other area there had been only one target group.

While others, let's be real, were surpressed.

It's "funny" though - why do we all think personalities like David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Freddy Mercury, etc., have had such a huuuge impact on cultures and society? Because they were 1:1 depicts of the Demon Slayer or the Duke?

No, because they were different. Because we all are different.

The only people time and time again that are complaining, whining and moaning about everything (while highly likely even been a fan of Queen or something) are prejudiced people.

Are people that "But it's never been any different, and I want it to stay that way!".

There's nothing highly hidden here. It's always been the same. After decades, even centuries of rules written by and for the "one primary target group", they are now the loudest that complain & moan.

Inverno2d ago

Y'all could also, ya know, just not buy games you feel have an agenda? This constant bitching coming from all these whiney men every time they see a game that isn't catering to them specifically is tiring. They latch themselves onto these games and throw endless amounts of harassment as if there aren't another thousand games releasing before/around/after. I'm usually outspoken when it comes to forced diversity in games, but the issue here is you're all bigoted as hell and need to learn to be a little less offended. Y'all become the snowflakes you mocked so much lol.

MrDead2d ago

This guy is one of the biggest most delicate snowflakes out there, I'm sure he'll be crying on Tucker Carlson or Fox "News" again soon.

Michiel19892d ago

@christopher cater to and include are two very different things. Played most of the games you mentioned and had no issue with any of em because they just include it. I have no issue with inclusion of that, but if in the next god of war, Kratos would all of a sudden hyperfocus on being a strong independent man or a hypermasculine one, I would give them shit for it as well. It has nothing to do with the inclusion of x or y group, but about the integrity of the game.

@inverno stop putting words in my mouth . It's actually the opposite of what you say, I said there can be no conversation because as soon as you criticize them, a whole angry mob comes at you and tries to cancel you. Thankfully it's become less and less over time and people actually realize now they can voice their opinion without having the fear of losing their job.
You really can't see that a lot of companies are now backpeddalling about the woke bs? They finally realize making your product worse to cater to a group who doesn't buy your product anyway is terrible.

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PitbullMonster1d 20h ago

Who was crying about kingdom come deliverance, Stellar Blade and the first descendant? White Hetero men Or leftards?

Inverno1d 8h ago

Leftards but those games still went on to release and become financially and critically successful. This dood, who was a CEO, went on social media to voice an opinion that at the time was controversial. Just cause you have freedom of speech and expression doesn't mean you hafto always voice your opinions publicly. He had to step down because it was more about the company than just him. Now he's back talking bout "unrepresented majority", as if there aren't different audiences to cater to. Since people from both sides can't seem to escape getting fired for voicing opinions then I guess everyone's got to equally face the consequences of their inability to shut up.

MrBaskerville2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Star wars, anti agenda? Lol. I don't think Lucas would agree.

Inverno2d ago

One of the most politically charged movies in existence. They can pretend it's all about space wizards with swords but the space nazis are still in the movies and they're still the bad guys. It's ironic as hell.

JEECE2d ago

More evidence that if the agenda feels legitimate within the story's world, people don't even notice that it is an agenda and they don't complain.

Elit3Nick2d ago

This one gave me a chuckle, too.

JEECE2d ago

As ever, this is a misguided expression of the speaker's issue. While of course there are some games (pure puzzle games, etc) that have no agenda, any game with a narrative is conveying some type of message. What people who say they don't like "woke" or "politics in games" actually mean is that they don't like hamfisted, poorly written narratives/characters that are thin veneers for modern political messages that feel out of place in the game's universe. It's why all these people complain about the Veilguard and not Baldur's Gate 3. They both have "woke" characters but in BG3 they feel like they belong in the universe, while in the Veilguard they just feel like generic fantasy skins for modern American 20-somethings.

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