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MS refutes Kinect accuracy rumours

CVG: Microsoft has refuted rumours suggesting that it is to release a Firmware update for Kinect that will "quadruple" the accuracy of the sensor.

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NecrumSlavery5637d ago

MS: "We couldn't be more pleased with the fidelity of the technology and clearly consumers agree given we sold more than 2.5 million units around the world in the first 25 days Kinect was on the market."

I'll translate: "The rumors aren't true. Why the f-ck would we fix our already downgraded system, which is selling like crazy? It costs money to make firmware. We got our expensive camera down to $58 in production costs by removing all the HD resolution and lag reducing features, but still managed to sell it at $150. So if the consumers foolishly buy this device at $150, we'll just let them keep on buying it. When sales die down, we will release a Kinect Slim"

Dramscus5637d ago (Edited 5637d ago )

I gave you a bubble up since I know you'll probably get a bunch for flaming from the loyal xbox fans.

Any neutral party can see thats how Microsoft treats their customers. It's why them and activision do so well in bed together.

BabyTownFrolics5637d ago (Edited 5637d ago )

this is n4g

didnt you know that xbox fans on this site are just ps3 fans in disguise looking to troll.

it is the same phenomenon as adult men who troll chat rooms pretending to be teenage girls.

all I see in this thread is anti kinect folk looking to pick fights.

AAACE55637d ago

Seeing how I keep going to stores and they just keep disappearing, I wouldn't change anything either!

Just at Toys R Us doing some shopping and saw they had only 1 Kinect sensor left and none of the Kinect console bundles left. They were giving away a free bowling game with it though, don't remember the name.

Dramscus5636d ago

Babytown. I don't see any reason why a site would have a larger number of specific users of one console or another besides more PS3 users being bigger game geeks than xbox users.
If it's true I guess it just goes to show where most of the casual and hardcore users place their favour.
Though like I said I don't see any reason why a site would have more one than another or why one console would have more hardcore or casual users.

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Mystogan5637d ago (Edited 5637d ago )

Uhmm no only the internal Parts were $58 dollars
now count the external parts and software (costs money too you know).
and not to mention you gotta get profit from it too, for the manufacturer and MS itself.

an example: everybody knows that a bottle of pepsi only costs about 50cents to make but the end product always ends up being about $2.
thats because everyone has to make a profit.

Nicaragua5637d ago

External parts - what the fuck are you talking about?

And the software cost is minimal, if it cost that much to do then you wouldnt be seeing all the homebrew mods appearing.

Mike134nl5637d ago (Edited 5637d ago )

Things like transportation, packaging, marketing, and last but not least R&D. The biggest cost of natal are of course those for the R&D(or buying of companies/ technology).

The software solutions provided by microsoft for the infrared camera and emitter, skeletal tracking and of course the software for voice+ face recognition etc,do require some if not allot of money..

hesido5637d ago

Asking companies to sell products for direct hardware cost is worse than asking game companies to sell their games for DVD / Bluray disk cost ($1?), yet the games sell for $40-60.

There's of course going to be costs associated with research and development, just as games are being made by people who need to earn their bread.

Although, one thing to keep in mind is the extra ordinary amount of money spent by MS to market the thing. The marketing costs will surely be reflected in the price tag.

GodofSackboy5637d ago

Probably the best translation, and comment, I have ever seen. Bubbles

HolyOrangeCows5637d ago (Edited 5637d ago )

"Microsoft has refuted rumours suggesting that it is to release a Firmware update for Kinect that will "quadruple" the accuracy of the sensor"

Reminds me of Cuba banning Michael Moore's Sicko film for painting a mythical look at Cuban healthcare.
(The only sources of negations are from Moore himself and some communist/socialist sites)

YOUR-MUM5637d ago

Sounds very much like the playstation to playstation slim really.

hesido5637d ago

Do you guys seriously think MS reduced the cost of Kinect by reducing the resolution through software? That's not clever, OR cost reducing. If their hardware supported such resolutions, they should have supported it from beginning, as it doesn't save costs. It will probably cut down processing overhead and latency, tho. That's the only reason they could lower the res through software. Otherwise, it would be very stupid of them.

It costs money to make firmware, yes, but in MS's terms, the costs would be negligible with respect to how much they'd get back considering the ability to track fingers and wrist rotation. The amount of "hypeability" would be much better.

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Vesemir5637d ago

And people keep buying it. That's the worse part.
Tsc, tsc, tsc...

Tru_Ray5637d ago

I played a boxing game on Kinect last weekend at Best Buy. It was mildly amusing, but I was genuinely surprised by the amount of lag on the game. I enjoyed my brief experience with the peripheral, but it is hardly worth buying a console for. Perhaps I am just biased against motion controls. I will not purchase a move until Sony releases some compelling software for it.

blackburn55637d ago (Edited 5637d ago )

Oh well. This is why I try to keep boasting to a minimum before I end up putting my foot in my mouth and looking

EVO-OM3GA5637d ago

Not trying to rock any boats or lable the article a lie but alot of companies have denied rumours concerning them when it comes to anything then have gone out and done the exact thing they denied, so I will wait and see what happens if it gets an update great if it dont then it dont

Otheros005637d ago

Like Square Enix saying and denying that FFXIII will not get released for xbox 360 in Japan.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai29d ago (Edited 29d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio28d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing28d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9228d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit28d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing28d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9228d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay30d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn231d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn230d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown30d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay30d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay30d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac30d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger31d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300031d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde30d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde30d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7532d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_29d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.