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MS: 'Who needs Blu-ray?'

Microsoft has offered its most strongly worded prediction yet that Blu-ray will be extinct before it can become the de facto disc format of the video games industry.

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Shadow Flare5703d ago

Xbox could never get a game like GT5 without bluray

ozps35703d ago

What else would you expect from a company like MS. Like an ostrich with their head in the sand, can't admit they were wrong and try to make it right, no wonder they are a failure in every thing they touch, it's only their money that they earn from windows and office products that is keeping their XB360 division alive, any other company would have been bankrupt by now.

If they spent their money, time, effort and talent in developing quality and innovative product rather than throw cash on advertisements and underhanded dealings there would be respect for them in the industry.

nveenio5703d ago

Q. "Who needs BluRay?"
A. Developers

I don't know if you noticed this, Microsoft, but 80% of this gen's greatest games come on BluRay...and need it. Of course, if your customers don't want HD graphics, uncompressed 7.1 channel sound and awesome cinematic sequences, then you can probably keep selling them your three games over and over again.

Whoa...I just had a thought: I wonder how big Fable could be if it were on BluRay?

AntoineDcoolette5703d ago

MS no supporting the HD-DVD software format with the 360 was one of the deciding factors of me not purchasing one ~_~ (I'm speaking game wise, if it went over your head)

Godmars2905703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

Honestly don't think MS would allow the leeway Sony has with a project than GT5.

You could probably hold up examples like Too Human and Alan Wake as counter argument, and so would I.

raztad5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

MS is so full of crap. They fool no one but their own fanatics. What a sore loosers.

I'm so looking to the xbox720 with "edgy" DVD support, and compressed DL movies with compressed audio. NO.

EDIT:
It's kinda funny if you think about it. The company that TALK the more about the downloadble content revolution, is the company that less support it. Dont you think, by now, MS shouldnt be selling xbox360 with HDD all across the board? Guess what? it doesnt and xbox players cant even play Halo:R properly. What a joke.

On the other hand, Sony not only has a console with HDD standard from DAY ONE but additionally went all out with a risky Digital ONLY product to the market. MS is as good as Greenburg, no wonder why he fits so well.

@bellow

It is all about quality. If you own a proper 7.1 audio system you would be able to notice it.

Armyntt5703d ago

Excuse my ignorance but can someone even tell the difference in compressed audio? I mean if i compress it and get 7.1 audio and i dont compress it and get 7.1 audio whats the difference? Can a person even tell the difference?

nveenio5703d ago

You can't tell the difference on a system that doesn't support true 7.1 audio. If you're using a standard 5.1 surround system with DD or DTS, then you won't be able to tell the difference. Few people have the system needed to take advantage of the uncompressed master audio tracks, but the point is that the option is at least there. The same goes with 3D. People without a 3D TV won't really know what they're missing, but if they have a 3D TV, then they have the option of laying in 3D.

dalibor5703d ago

People really need to stop defending DVD's. It's time to really realize the benefits of Blu Ray. For all you Xbox owners imagine not dealing with scratching your discs. Or even using multiple discs. Sometimes the smallest things should not be overlooked. I know you don't care but at least take a look and use Blu Ray before judging it and saying it's still not needed. And yes as far as audio goes it does make a difference. Don't tell me you never listened to an mp3 where the quality is not good or even a movie for that matter. Same thing with games. I have used Blu Ray and to me it's better than DVD, for me it is at least.

Method5703d ago Show
Upbeat5703d ago

FACT ? no need to state it, its obvious

Eric Cartman5703d ago

I think what people should realize about BDs is that we, as gamers, pay no more for them than for DVD games. So even if I don't care about BD, it still would be really idiotic of me to bash it.

jeseth5703d ago

The difference of Blu Ray to DVD is like DVD to VHS.

Its amazing how many people will deny facts over and over again. The games cost exactly the same, why wouldn't you want them on a Blu Ray disc with so much more space?

Someone else said it earlier. Could you imagine how incredibly massive a great Xbox exclusive like Fable 3 could be? The game could be just giant!

Games, I feel, have really suffered from DVD Multiplat restrictions and could have had so much more in them this gen. Its a shame really. And I know its not a huge deal to swap discs, but if the ability to not swap discs is there than why continue to support the OUTDATES format.

Its funny, Xbox fans won't admit to the problem with continuing to support DVD instead of Blu Ray...But they will all get so excited for the 2nd coming of the Playstation Eye.

Fanboyism is a disease that clouds the minds ability to reason.

Triella5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

MS : Nobody needs Blu-ray de futurez is digital download ... here have some HD-DVD, and games on DVD-9 instead.

MS : Nobody needs motion control, it's just a fad, our install base is the hardcore and we make games for hardcore gamers... here have some revolutionnary new way of playing games called Eyeto... uuuh Kinect.

MS : Nobody needs 3D, 3D is for theater not for living room and having to wear those glasses is so stuuuupid. Many, many years from now when it becomes a reality we absolutely can support it but right now it is still too expensive to become mainstream...

MS : (the next day) We told you 3D is the present you can have it on your Xbox and it looks fantastic on a LG screen oh and those glasses look sooo good on you.

jack_burt0n5703d ago

@Armyntt

The difference between uncompressed audio and a high bitrate lossless one is the difference between going from SD to HD in image quality for audio its a massive leap, it helps if you have a decent sound system but i could not go back to listening to DD, dts I really cant.

bjornbear5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

well..everyone that didn't need HD-DVD for one...<_<

what kind of argument is this? MS expect we use DVD until the end of times? *sigh* resistance to change

they just say this because they lost the new format war

L-Teezy5703d ago

Coming from the same company who decided to go with the EXTINCT HD-DVD, who got its ass kicked out of the market by Blu-ray. ;)

darthv725703d ago

Maybe MS doesnt need bluray but they do need a higher capacity portable medium. If they continue to use the dvd then at least they should get the hddvd for games.

Considering the actual formats are just different mediums of storage, I do not see any reason as to why MS would not be willing to use the hddvd for its games.

We are NOT talking movies here people. Choosing a storage format for the games is beneficial to the developers. Turbografx had HuCards, NES (and others) used cartridge. The "convenience" of a format that does both movies and games (bluray/DVD) has it advantages but not a requirement.

If MS chose to continue to support DVD with those newer higher capacity dvd's that work with the existing red laser for the games and supported regular dvd for movies I would be fine with that. Bottom line...they need something more spacious.

DORMIN5703d ago

Dumb@ss MS statement #1023804....

pustulio5703d ago

"Who needs Blu-Ray?"

You.

Sarcasm5703d ago

Who needs Blu-Ray? FFXIII sure did. Rage sure does. Heck, Forza 3 would have been nice on one disc. Mass Effect 2? ODST?

Shiet, when half of your own games are on multiple discs, you shouldn't ask if anyone else needs it.

AliTheBrit195702d ago

Shadow Flare

Yeah, you could, you could download that sh*t

Fool.

The Lazy One5702d ago

@"The difference between uncompressed audio and a high bitrate lossless one is the difference between going from SD to HD in image quality for audio its a massive leap, it helps if you have a decent sound system but i could not go back to listening to DD, dts I really cant."

you cannot tell the difference between lossless audio compression and uncompressed audio. It's physically impossible. You get the exact same data out of both regardless. You put in a bunch of 1s and 0s and you get back the exact same 1s and 0s either way. If you're data read speeds are slower then the speed of decompressing the data, there's actually a lot of benefit to compressing your data because it will read faster.

And DvD had a lot more benefits to VHS than Blu-Ray did to DVD. Blu-Ray has a size advantage. DVD had a size and convenience advantage. Never having to rewind, having media that was at significantly smaller risk of being completely destroyed by its reader, having media that took up a significantly smaller space, having media that was for all intents an purposes randomly accessible.

I will not pretend that more space wouldn't help developers, but Blu-Ray is just an intermediary solution. USB 3.0 and other flash media and the internet make it entirely obsolete. Faster read times, no more size restrictions, less fragile media, and soon cost.

What are 50gB of data when you can have a 1TB drive that fits in your pocket and reads at 400 mB/s with no moving parts. Hell, if they reach the 2020 goal for internet speeds in the US we'll be able to download data faster than we can read it off a Blu-Ray.

Scoff all you want, but there's way too much tech coming in the near future.

DaTruth5702d ago

You were probably one of the ones saying you can't see the difference between HD and standard definition. Nobody even pretends that stupid $hit anymore!

CD's sound better than MP3s and everybody knows this! Because CD's are uncompressed and MP3's are compressed!

The Lazy One5702d ago

@Datruth

MP3s aren't lossless. an mp3 is a very lossy codec. a lossless codec sounds exactly the same as the original. That's why it's called "lossless" it loses nothing. Anybody who knows anything about compression or the english language knows this.

likedamaster5702d ago

Q. "Who needs BluRay?"
A. Developers

-I'm with this guy.

ExplosionSauce5702d ago

I think that's a good example. Although, PS3 exclusives have taken advantage of this as well.

This isn't a 360 vs PS3 argument. It should be common sense instead.
Microsoft does need a higher capacity, high definition media format.
More data can be streamed and it would be foolish to ignore or deny this.

RageAgainstTheMShine5702d ago

and call it their proprietary disc media.... nice!

LIVE_FR0M_NY5702d ago

What is microsofts logic here? they don't need blu-ray because of downloadable games?? For a system that does not even come with a standard hard drive this is a pretty absurd claim. They expect to use upwards of 60gb per game and make it downloadable?? I guess when you have so few GOOD exclusives on your system it's pretty easy to look at it that way... Either way you look at it, they still need some sort of high capacity PHYSICAL storage medium. HD-DVD tried and failed, Blu-ray is the only real way to do it...

Dee_915702d ago

guess im the only one who use blu ray :/ /s

N4g_null5702d ago (Edited 5702d ago )

Off topic what is the download service that is killing cd sales? Itune do these guys download uncompressed data no silly they use mp4s which are not mp3s and most of your hd content is an mp4. Millions of people can not tell the difference. Know what your talking about or become a dinosaur. Then we have other almost lostless codecs also. Blu ray isn't the smartest way it just another way. Hd DVD was just worst lol. Prime example why monopolies should not be fostered.

I know I'm going to get hate post for this but you guys need to know the pros and cons of blu ray. As of right now blu ray actualy seeks way slower than DVDs. Which is why some games have to be installed. On top of than you can not stream a huge ammount of data off the disk like a DVD.

If Sony can increase all of the above it truely would be a video game godson of a medium.

Internet as a medium will always be a bad move till it's dirt cheap. Also most of you can't tell compressed audio from uncompressed. Yet you can pause and see higher resolutions.

A higher medium is not needed till we get true next gen hd boxes with enough ram to truely do the job.

You need a huge ammount of ram to true do hd gaming justice and streaming data must be past hdd seek rates for a media. Idealy you want a console with the less moving part including the hard drive.

The solution to all the above problems is the new sdxc standard. We are just waiting for Sony to make their version of it. Believe me they will. Nothing competes with that tech right now.

For a blu ray tech to compete maybe they could put more lasers on the disk? That's easier said than done.

Some thing tells me activison and ms have found a cloud computing hybrid which is also part netflix model. Yet is the worlds Internet ready? Don't thinks so.

Yet for movies blu ray is prefect. There is a reason pcs still use DVD roms. Sure the price has went down but blu ray needs some tweaks to rival hdds in read and seek speeds.

Hopfully Sony can get it there soon. Solid state solutions are looking a lot more attractive and are rivaling hdd in every bench mark except for price which is only a matter of moores law.

RedDragan5700d ago

"The solution to all the above problems is the new sdxc standard. We are just waiting for Sony to make their version of it. Believe me they will. Nothing competes with that tech right now. "

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SSD says hi!

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pwnd_of_lol5703d ago

DVD is fine for X360 exclusives & PC games that can be installed to HDD and don't require a per disc royalty fee (paid to Microsoft). For PS3 / X360 cross platform games, developers are going to need to cut content to squeeze everything onto 1 DVD, or design their game to run across multiple DVD's.

hard joe5703d ago

installing to hdd?
what about models that come out without any?
oh yeah they can always buy proprietary overpriced hdd from m$

TheGamer5703d ago

I wonder what MS's stand would be if HD-DVD had won the format war :)

gamingdroid5703d ago

Nothing!

MS didn't really support HD-DVD and most likely used it as a stalling technique to usher in the era of digital downloads. HD-DVD has no bearing on games for Xbox 360.

MrMccormo5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

No need for Blu Ray, of course, but it's perfectly reasonable to rearrange your entire living room and buy an overpriced camera to play River Rafting, right?

And I thought Microsoft was all about "options". Hmmm.

CYBERSNAKE5703d ago

If Microsoft doesn't need Blu Ray, then what was HD DVD all about then?

Condemnedman5703d ago

That was to watch movies not playing games.

raWfodog5703d ago

I believe that MS backed HD DVD just to try and beat blu-ray. That would have been a big blow against the PS3 since blu-ray drives are built-in and not like the HD DVD attachment that MS was selling.

Denethor_II5703d ago

The interviewee talks of watching movies:)

moneygun25702d ago

but Im a Sony gamer through and through but im having so much fun with Halo Reach its just solid, this is most likely the fact its not shit, like the rest of them.

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fuckitimout5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

any console that wants gow3 and mg4 on one disc. And yes it's flamebait and you still clicked it to type 'cvg flamebait articles'

tinybigman5703d ago

honestly M$ i dont care what you have to say anymore. as a company you disappoint me with your stupid decisions on what you think is right for us. you think i want a camera whose games are only on rails? FU M$ and get with the program.

dangert125703d ago

If this is what Microsoft have actually said
then anyone looking for a console that improves on this gen should not go with microsoft they are more then happy to stick with dvd 9

TEFL0N_D0N_815703d ago

I don't agree with every statement made by every company, and this isn't limited to just video games and consoles. But assuming MS wouldn't make a statement like this without a plan to back it up. The same would have applied for Sony or any other large company had they made similar statements (with the exception of Activision). They never said they're sticking with DVD-9. Maybe they're going to sell proprietary memory sticks in the future where if you want to buy a 360 game, you can go to Gamestop and transfer the game file. Then again, this is a "maybe" scenario.

gamingdroid5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

MS said time and time again, they went with DVD-9 to basically save cost. If they went with HD-DVD as a gaming disc format, their marketshare would have likely be considerably less due to the higher price tag of the console. That is one of the major factors to why PS3 is third this generation.

If you look at the market, people have spoken that the price matters. Is it a co-incidence that the standing in the console race is inversely proportional to the price? Is it a co-incidence that people constantly complain about the PS3 price?

1. Wii -> Cheapest of all
2. Xbox 360 -> Cheaper than PS3
3. PS3

This is probably not the reason alone, but certainly is a significant factor.

fuckitimout5703d ago

proprietary memory sticks is a dumb idea from a consumers view. What happens when that stick corrupts? Can you play it at a friends house? What about disk space?...youre asking for your ownership to be taken away basically. No hardcopy = no ownership.

btk5702d ago

@gamingdroid
Actually HD-DVD was not ready - MS wanted a year headstart - so they dropped HD-DVD as the standard format. If HD-DVD was ready for XBox360 launch, it could very well have been the default HD disk format. As it is - they went early and HD-DVD lost. They still made their statements about HD-DVD being better quality and better "value proposition" etc until the format died horribly. They just don't want to admit they were wrong.

gamingdroid5702d ago

HD-DVD specs might not have been ready, but if MS pushed for it, the ability to read HD-DVD discs isn't a problem. It is just costly.

Heck, the Blu-Ray Specs weren't quite complete either when PS3 released. They still working on it now.

Reefskye5702d ago (Edited 5702d ago )

@btk
The format war was decided by films not consoles, the very fact Sony have film studios was part of the reason Blu-ray won. Sony have a lot more say in this area than Microsoft. This was to Sony's advantage and there was very little chance of Sony repeating Betamax. HD-DVD was already set to lose.

moparful995702d ago

@reefskye Do you honestly believe that sony's decision to have blu-ray built in had no bearing on the outcome of the format war? You are smoking something then. Having blu-ray built into the ps3 meant instant userbase.. Every ps3 sold was a potential blu-ray disc purchase.. Yes sony has alot of movie studios but at the same time the arguably two biggest movie companies on the planet(universal, warner brothers werent on board with blu-ray.. Remember when both of those companies announced deals with sony for blu ray support? Within hours of announcing this hd-dvd was officially canned. Point is that sony made all the right moves with blu-ray by integrating it with the ps3 and making it standard.. As well the added benefit that blu-ray has for gaming cemented it as the format of choice this generation.. It clearly outclassed dvd.. The discs are darn near indestructible, have many times more storage, and cost the same as dvd 9 printed games.. Thats huge.. Digital distribution is still at least 10 years from being the standard method of content delivery as infrastructure is lagging behind in this country.. Face it microsoft needs to insert their collective feet in their mouths and aknowledge when they screw up.. Which they have done alloooooot of this gen...

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Rhythmattic5703d ago

Blu-Ray or not, The anti scratch layer should at least be adopted.

Consoldtobots5703d ago

I think kids re-buying games cause their disc got scratched is part of MS's business plan.

Trroy5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

^^ and removing the bumper on the laser of the 360 DVD drive.

You think it sounds petty, but it boils down to millions of dollars. Some people bump their 360s, and scratch DVD in all sorts of ways, and MS knows that supports game re-buys.

xAlmostPro5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

blu-ray is gonna pass by?.. thats why it over took HD-DVD?.. thats why its considered one of the best formats for watching movies?.. thats why other platforms exclusives are so much bigger and better?.. thats why people are creating and looking into 300gb+ blu-ray discs? lol..

blu-ray isn't passing by anytime SOON.. broadband speeds and bandwith limits are nowhere near high enough in average households for everything to become download only yet..

maybe when 90% of all internet users have 20mb+ connections(i could be off with exact numbers here, but im sure you all get what im tying to say) :)

moparful995702d ago

To be honest for high definition content you can get by with a 5 meg connection only problem is at that speed your bandwidth is going to take a huge hit if you download content.. Now for cloud gaming and instant steaming movies in hd you will absolutely need more then 5 megs.. I think the standard to shoot for is most likely 10 megs....

Kreyg5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

Blu-Ray is good, so is digital. people need to shut up and just use what they like for god sakes

avengers19785703d ago

They'll put blu-ray in there next console, that is 100% for sure.
So they need it.
Look at what more devs and publishers are doing, just throwing a second game on the blu-ray for no extra cost. MOH, and DeadSpace 2 both come with two games in the series, and sure they might be older,but there still free.
Think about what Halo Reach could have been had they had 35 gigs to play with.(Not saying there is anything wrong with Reach the way it is),but imagine the possiblites.

jwk945703d ago

If they had blu-ray, they could've done a halo collection on the reach disc

outrageous5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

...is Sony next??? M$ was right...the best looking, playing and selling games are on DvD. The top selling console, double the PS3 sales, doesn't even play DvD's. The guys with the blu-ray player are in last place.

Look at all the blu-ray movies with NO extra content and the extra content they do have was available on a good old regular dvd. The top selling games on the blu-ray playing PS3 are on DvD...are you GETTING THE PICTURE YET!!! Alan Wake entire gameplay takes up 2.5 gb...lol. Is blu-ray good and have lots of room...yes...does it matter...no. PS3 exclusives are all pre-rendered and that's why they need the space. MGS4 has at least a couple HOURS of pre-rendered sims.

The only reason blu-ray is around is because of price fixing and keeping the cost of DvD's high to make blu-ray a viable option...that's it. A DvD cost 10-15 cents YEARS ago...they should be 2-3 cents now.

bustamove5703d ago

...Yeah, okay, whatever you say. You're just like Microsoft, sticking your hands in your ears and lala-ing to the wind.

Kemicalbeliefs5703d ago

I was reading this and thought 'yeah he's being ironic and taking the p1ss'. Then I realised you actually mean all of this what you say.

I don't want, need or ever even watch the extra content so movie only is fine with me. DVD is now like Cinema, rubbish. HD is here now and more people are moving over.

Amongst the reasons Blu ray is really around is because it fits HD games and movies with uncompressed audio. I don't know whether you've been to the shops lately but most DVD's are a third of the Blu ray price.
Don't forget my children proof discs too...those finger marks don't mean diddly squat on my PS3 but my 360 discs are a no no.

bageara5703d ago

Your so misinformed dude it's......well outrageous, and ain't even gonna bother informing you HA! I'm just gonna let you live in ignorance, I pity you, you don't even know what your missing dude

mantisimo5703d ago

.....Lol.

Downloadable games are a long way off say Sony, they will (they say) not be download exclusive for 10 years or more.

Not enough people have strong , fast internet and so they say there will always be a hard copy available.

Blu ray movies are generally beautiful and the games, well enough said.

Unicron5703d ago

MGS4 has at least a couple HOURS of pre-rendered sims.

Aside from TWO pre-rendered bits, all of MGS4's cinematics were in real time. Fail more please.

avengers19785702d ago

Stop drinkin' the MS kool aid, in what world do you live in.
Uncharted 2, KZ2, and God of War 3 all look way better than any 360 exclusive.
And your so called knowledge of games is laughable man. dude you fail.

JD_Shadow5702d ago

You forgot to add "/sarcasm" at the end of your post.

N4g_null5702d ago

The only media that was child proof was nes carts other wise blu ray will never be in a portable. The only reason the 3ds specs are at 2 gigs is due to yeild prices at the foundry. Also how many game carts got corrupted? Read only disk are not readily corruptible. Only read write disks.

100 terabytes is coming.

Human Analog5701d ago

"The only reason blu-ray is around is because of price fixing and keeping the cost of DvD's high to make blu-ray a viable option".... What? I though it was around so we can have 1080p and full 7.1DTS master tracks. But oh well I guess we have been fooled. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Orochi Avlis5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

Quality of sound.
Lots of people won't notice or care about the difference, but to those who have good setups at home, it can make quite the difference. If you are just playing through a TV, then yeah, you'll probably won't notice it, unless it's really poorly done.
Compression removes sections of sound waves to make it take up less space, but at the same time, you lose quality of sound. So, you are liable to hear crackling or static during the movie or game. Really noticeable during loud sequences.

@outrageous
"M$ was right...the best looking, playing and selling games are on DvD."
God Of War 3, Killzone 2 and 3, GT5, Uncharted 2...

"Look at all the blu-ray movies with NO extra content and the extra content they do have was available on a good old regular dvd."
Uh no.
Look at the Watchmen Blu-Ray, or any notable Blu-ray release. The new commentary mode alone is amazing and cannot be done on DVD without really sacrificing quality.
Besides you can't blame the format if people skimp on things. That's the publishers fault, not the format.

"The top selling games on the blu-ray playing PS3 are on DvD...are you GETTING THE PICTURE YET!!!"
Oh, you mean the multiplatform ones, where they had to cut down content to fit on the DVD?

"Alan Wake entire gameplay takes up 2.5 gb...lol."
Yeah, but it didn't have much in terms of variety. The environment was a forest for most of the game. I'm not bashing Alan Wake, I'm just stating a fact.

"Is blu-ray good and have lots of room...yes...does it matter...no. PS3 exclusives are all pre-rendered and that's why they need the space. MGS4 has at least a couple HOURS of pre-rendered sims. "
Yes, it does actually. FF13. 4 DVDs vs 1 Blu-ray disc, which one is better?
Oh yeah, which one also had two audio tracks on it as well? Oh, right the Blu-ray disc.
Uncharted 2 was not pre-rendered except for the really long cutscenes, but it was done all in engine, and the game still looked like the cutscenes. So that's a moot point.
God Of War 3, best looking game this generation, only had a few due to the scale, everything else was in game.
And you make it sound like no other console does not use this technique.

N4g_null5702d ago

I'm curious do you know what a good setup cost? It's not 5,000 try 30,000 to 80,000 I don't think most gamers can event afford great hdtvs let a long the sounds system needed to tell the difference.

Here is a question can you even name the name brands that produce such high quality sound?

AKS5702d ago

Why is it usually the guys who don't have something try to claim it costs a dozen times more than it actually does? Scissor-runner's comment reminds me of the guys who claim you need a $6000 computer to even play Crisis and a graphics card costs a minimum of $500 or something outrageous. It's entirely possible to put together a decent sound system for far less than $30,000. Even some low-end receivers can output 7.1 LPCM now.

Regarding your brand question, I have a Marantz receiver that handles 7.1 LPCM, and it sounds stellar.

N4g_null5697d ago

Where we not talking sound quality? To here the difference all of these fanboys are talking about you will need very high end speakers. Hey if you just need 7.1 then I'm sure you can get that cheap but uncompressed audio is not ideal for 7.1. It's a meh. Not needed.

Oh yeah I'm one of those guys that says buy an asus laptop for 1,000 and you won't have to upgrade for a while.

I mean if you want to talk tech then let's talk. I don't have time to insult people.

Upbeat5703d ago

I forgot the 360 could play 30gb games.

JokesOnYou5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

imo and many others, 360 has the best library of games this gen and if you disagree with that statement nobody can deny how strong the 360 has been this gen in terms of gaming, the xbox brand has become very popular console because of the success of its games= all without bluray, Halo Reach is just the latest example of a superb game packed with content all on one little old DVD, seriously, I don't know of any ps3 exclusive on bluray that can matches Halo3's depth, let alon Reach, and I don't see any 12-15hr platformers on bluray offering this huge games, as far as graphics go Halo Reach, Alan Wake, ME2 and plenty of 360 games hold their own, and again we haven't seen an influx of multiple disc games, but hell I wouldn't care if Reach was on multiple discs as long as it turns out to be quality game, and that is exactly what we got from Bungie with Halo Reach. Games like FF13 dont prove anything other than SE didn't do a good port or is that only an excuse that applies to ps3, hell even lens of truth questioned many of the choices SE made concerning the 360 version.

JOY

SillySundae5703d ago

We agree and disagree on some points.

YOU: "360 has the best library of games this gen"
ME: This is an OPINION. Some gamers are just not into much shooters (but I admit a lot are). Some people wants variety. Some people wants create, play , and share. My point is what you are stating here is an opinion, which I do respect.

YOU: "nobody can deny how strong the 360 has been this gen in terms of gaming"
ME: I Agree.

YOU: "Halo Reach is just the latest example of a superb game packed with content all on one little old DVD"
ME: Bungie is truly exceptional! I wish all development studios have the skills to accomplish this. Sadly no. Some developers actually need more space for what they wish to accomplish. Some genre needs more space. Some masterpieces needs more space.

I am honestly interested on if multiplats would've been better (or would've told their story better .. for added immersion) if both consoles have a large capacity media.

Jdoki5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

Yeah, MS have done great things this gen, and the 360 can only be seen as a huge success. Even if the PS3 overtakes it in sales at some point, the market share MS have grabbed is impressive.

Maybe the 360 doesn't need Blu-ray. Maybe the Next Xbox won't need blu-ray; but you give developers the space to store data, and you can bet they will use every bit of it. And that can make for richer experiences. You may love Halo 3 and Reach, but I don't, and my 360 game library has stagnated while my PS3's has grown - that's just differing opinions, I'm not saying Halo is bad - just it's one example of a game that doesn't need Blu-Ray. I would argue that it is needed on the basis of the games I enjoy and have played on my PS3 that I don't think could have been done on my 360 in the same way. You think Bungie wouldn't have loved having extra space to play with?

If MS truly believe that Blu-ray isn't needed then I wonder what their vision of the future really is - because bandwidth just isn't going to be there for most people to download DVD sized games, let alone Blu-Ray sized games... And we do want the industry to move on don't we??

With MS' track record of saying one thing and doing another, is Blu-Ray really off the spec sheet for the Next Box I wonder?

ocnkng5703d ago

"I don't know of any ps3 exclusive on bluray that can matches Halo3's depth" Two words: YOUR OPINION.
Have you ever tried playing clan tournaments in Killzone 2 multiplayer? What about MGS4, you can actually play the single player in any way you like, stealth, all-out action a mix of two. It also has an awesome multiplayer. Have you heard of a game called Demon's Souls? What about other excusives: Uncharted series, Resistance series, Yakuza, Heavy Rain, MAG etc etc Dude when you are defending the 360 don't even try to
go toward 'depth of exclusives' You'll be owned, trust me. I noticed how you conveniently forgot Halo:ODST. Yes $60 for a 5 hour campaign and old Halo3 maps, now that's depth :)
Ohh and ME2 is multi-platform now so scratch that from your list.

moparful995702d ago

"I don't know of any ps3 exclusive on bluray that can matches Halo3's depth, let alon Reach"

Umm little big planet says hi.. LMAO you are blantantly fanboyish.. Halo 3 has the shalowest and most contrived plot in the history of shooters.. THe only thing, and I mean only thing, that keeps halo viable in terms of sales and reception is the multiplayer.. Thats what bungie does best and why their games sell like crack... Sony's first party studios run circles around microsofts lack luster offerings.. Outside of halo, gears, fable, and forza the 360 has the weakest first party of the big three... I will admit that microsoft has put up one hell of a fight but they've done so with their wallets instead of creativity and originality.. Buying up third party exclusivity worked for the first two years but slowly this plan is backfiring as sony's catalogue is growing in quality and quantity.. This trend is apparent in the fact that once 360 exclusive franchises are coming to the ps3.. Bioshock, dead rising, mass effect etc... This all points to the fact that sony knows who keeps them relevant and thats the fans.. At the end of the day sony has built the ps3 into ultimate entertainment console hands down.. Try again JOY.

Upbeat5701d ago

how good would it be to have the halo all on one disk, in order of sequence. As in one big story line.

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Method5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

Another terrible C&V article, why isn't this worthless site banned yet?

Jazz41085703d ago

Pinion. herebluray is fine for movies but not gaming. Its too slow and is why the pos3 has to install everything because it reads and plays very slow. Ms will noit use dvd9 next gen but will use something similar to bluray but updated to be bijgger and much faster. They have already said they are working on a advanced form of dvd that holds terabytes of info and from my rep at work that tech is done and sound and will be in next console so ms is right they don't need bluray but they shoukd offer it as a movie source if its still a viable medium as soon as next gen starts.

madjedi5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

@jazz And you need terabytes(s in 1024 gigabytes, when we are only pushing 50 gigs for a few games) of storage at 1080p resolution, why again exactly dumbass, and your probably talking about holographic virtual disc. For movies next gen, what that has to do with games idk, again see maximum tv resolution 1080p, which current brds are at a high enough capacity already.

Somehow i think having to go through a terabyte of data, just to find 1 specific item/section is asking for trouble even using duplicate data.

Not unless you have a laser reading at many times faster than current br laser read speeds, and then some still since your heading in to the terabytes territory.

For reference resonance of fate has a trophy/achievement called teradriver you get it after the system has read at least 1 terabyte from the disc, i got it roughly 60-65 hrs or 15 days into the game.

While i am no expert on the subject, it sounds more like your making shit up, for console war arguments than giving out any solid real data.

Given your comment about the ps3 and the fact that you don't have to install all games which your wrong about.

I take any information you say about next gen media formats with a heavy grain of salt, thx for laugh though bot.

vhero5703d ago

Who needs blu-ray? MGS4.. says you do. All the best looking nex gen titles say you do as they need the space. MS are gonna keep putting this out to justify people buying there consoles though it's what they do. I say fair play to em it's not really flamebait it's just how you run a business you protect your investment through lies and deceit. All 3 major console manufacturers do it as do companys like Apple (who are the worst for it!)

fr0sty5703d ago

The machine that had to squeeze FF13 onto 3 discs with heavily compressed low quality audio and FMV... yeah. that one.

madpuppy5703d ago

A fad.

"The Internet? We are not interested in it"

- Bill Gates, 1993

JokesOnYou5703d ago

@ Sillysundae all I know is that something like 98% of multiplats are on one disc and most don't even come close to filling the DVD now, there are only a few game types that makes multiple discs more of a challenge when it comes to game design, so logic dictates that any dev worth his salt who actually needed more space for his vision/game wouldnt flinch at the thought of using a second disc,saying otherwise is just a copout because theres no tangible evidence to support such a theory.

@ocnkng, lol did you comprehend anything I said, uhm I own MGS4, KZ2, GOW3, Uncharted series which are all great games... MAG, Demon Souls, HR are also great games just not my cup of tea. Of course my preference for Reach and 360 library of games are MY opinion, the point is I'm not insulting any of ps3 games, I just dont see anything so great about them that wouldn't have been possible without bluray at the sametime I fully understand bluray/more space is optimal for game devs, just not a neccessity for the near future.

JOY

niceguywii605703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

Holy crap I see this statement is offensive to PS3 fans as if the statement takes something away from PS3 diminishing PS3 fanboys appreciation for PS3.

*It's Blasphemy!!!!!!! MSFT can't say that to the public we fanboys have worked so hard trying to convince the world HD gaming isn't possible without Blu-ray what if people hear what MSFT said* lol

The only thing stopping digital distribution from becoming mainstream is the console companies making large HDD too expensive at the moment. DD with games will take over discs faster than it did with music formats. This scraes fanboys as it kills a PS3 fanboy tool/talking-point against MSFT consoles.

GOD I hate it when the 360 outsells the PS3 worldwide because PS3 fans get really emotional and rabid. They're worse now than they were before Sony started lowing the price of PS3.

tomford165703d ago

Says the obvious fan boy with one bubble.

nanostar5702d ago

"The only thing stopping digital distribution from becoming mainstream is the console companies making large HDD too expensive at the moment"
-obviously M$ and their $130 for GB but I'm pretty sure that PS3 and the possible 1TB for $140 is stopping the DD just M$ is with the overpriced HDD

iamtehpwn5702d ago (Edited 5702d ago )

You pushed HD-DVD To compete with bluray, you LOST, and now suddenly, "No one even cares about bluray"? GTFO.

Comet5702d ago

When Microsoft releases their "Xbox 3" with a DVD drive...
Maybe the Xbox 4 will come with a Blu-Ray drive... but that's when Sony premieres their Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD) format for PlayStation 5 in another 6-7 years (2020).

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Natsu X FairyTail5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

When you get a game Like tales of Vesperia and there's content missing because your caveman DVD9 tech wasnt enough for it to fit and You find out later on that There's a better Version with everything on it On PS3 . That'S when you know you need bluray.

Hellsvacancy5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

Or when FF13 cums on 3-4 disks, which meant the game had 2-b cut down losin content from the PS3 version because of it, yeah, MS dont need bluray

And besides, if they didnt need a hi-def disk format y did theu even other with HD-DVD?

'Who needs Blu-ray?' sounds like losin words 2 me

Edit: pwnd_of_lol? disk swappin should b a thing of the past, dont cum at me with "what r u lazy, it only takes a moment 2 change a disk" it only takes a moment 2 get up and change the Tv channel but we all still use Tv remote controls

sikbeta5703d ago

MGS4 = 50GB

That's all I have to say....

pwnd_of_lol5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

"FF13 cums on 3-4 disks "

Actually no, it is not an issue.

Final Fantasy XIII was already well into production by the time it was announced for the 360 so the games structure should have been pretty well defined. Combine this with the fact that you can install and play from hard drive to avoid disc swaps.

"MGS4 = 50GB "

Sony never stated that the game is a full 50GBs… For example maybe the game takes up 35GBs of space… But the hi-def surround sound files and lip synched animation in one language takes up 20GBs so there’s no room to fit that additional content like separate lip sunched animation and Japanese audio.

PirateThom5703d ago

So, it's multiple discs or a mandatory install?

And, just because the 360 version was announced later, doesn't mean it wasn't in production long before then.

MrMccormo5703d ago

Pirate Thom:

You should be aware that many PS3 games do not have the "mandatory" install, God of War 3 being one of them. I'm sure you've seen the graphics on that beast of a game.

PirateThom5703d ago

I was talking about the 360 and it's multiple disc issue and how to get around it.

You're either swapping discs or installing and then there's games like Forza 3 REQUIRE an install because half the content doesn't fit on one disc.

Blu-ray may not be required, but when you've got a racing game coming on two discs on a console with no standard hard drive, questions are raised.

MrMccormo5703d ago

Pirate Thom:

Ah, got it. I see what you're saying.

Nemo885703d ago

Even if you install to 360HD you will still have to disc swap at the required time as if you had not installed... this is for copy protection. FACT

vhero5703d ago

You got it right that's why the new arcade comes with 4gb however we all know it's not big enough however just like this lie MS will lie about that too. 360 is a good console but I reckon MS are using it as a stepping stone now for there next console as they are no doubt making one.

Jinxstar5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

MrMccormo.

Just for your information God of War 3 does not have a mandatory install. I just checked on my PS3 and it has 5381 kb's of game data and I think that was just the 1.01 patch. Yes Kb's not Mb's. so 5.3mb's of data... Only other data is from my save games. The engine is just that incredibly well optimized...

Love the game. Platinumed it. Favorite game franchise of all time. Oh and it's not dependent on PS3 model either. I own a 60 gig launch model with upgraded HD to 200 gigs. I can't even find an optional install in any menu available.

Jinxstar5703d ago

Forget my last. I misread your initial comment.

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timmyrulz5703d ago

Blu ray is a luxury not a necessity, when you can play awesome games such as Fallout 3, Halo Reach, Gears of War, Dead space, COD - all of which come on one DVD, the NEED for blu ray isnt so obvious, but if you like 30 hours of cut scenes and uncompressed audio/video and you dont like to swap disks then blu ray is required

kerrak5703d ago

In fact, DVD is a luxury. You could play those same games, only swapping a few cds. Am i right?

xAlmostPro5703d ago

yes there are many great games that fit on one disc BUT when you think about how they and 360 exclusives compare to ps3 ones you can see that bluray is a major benefit..

imagine how great and big a COD game would be if 360 also had blu-ray..

fact is these games could be bigger and better..but they're not, you'd probably still see bigger games if microsoft didnt charge the devlopers for using multiple discs when its microsofts fault..

not only that, developers wont give ps3 users the bigger better version, with more levels/maps etc because it wouldnt be fair on 360 users.. also microsoft pay ALOT to stop things like this happening..

timmyrulz5703d ago

Or we could have Digital Download and have no need for any Disk format what so ever, the fact is only a hand full of games have either multiple disks or wont fit on one DVD9, Blu ray is a Gen too early

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PirosThe4th5703d ago

Agreed! But Lost Oddysey with 4 disc didn't have that issue... the worst thing is that micro$oft charges royalties for each disc as if it was another game...
So developers have to stick with one disc only due to the economical factor of releasing a 2 disc or more game...
come on the production cost of their crappy dvds m$ uses cant be taht expensive yet they are screwing everything up by doing so... Same with how ID had to change Rage due to the disc limitations since they couldn't use more than 2 disc.

Next xbox will have bluray... but i am sure that the next ps3 will be ahead with a new format like every PS console has been...

Why o why5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

Natsu's on a roll.

dont worry natsu...us 'lames' know you're not a turncoat even if we agree with ya every now and then;)

OT: MS mantra is 'if you dont have it bash it'

Any Tottenham supporters here on N4G today....If so

Shall we make a Deeee Veeeee Deeeee

Venatus-Deus5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

Did you get away tickets? I had to turn one down, which means I'm gutted I wasn't there.

We won the League!
We won the League!

We won the Leeegue at White Hart Lane!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Venatus-Deus5703d ago

Disagrees? LOL... Spuds fans!

Why o why5703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

nah but my spud mates went....they fled after the 3rd....

'he's gunna twitch in a minute'

EDIT
isnt the white spelt with an 's'

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Black-Helghast5702d ago

Ps3 is better, Who's with Me?

Solid_Snakeps35703d ago (Edited 5703d ago )

well said my friend, M$ really need to look in the mirror and realise that they F**ked most multi-plat games. Also, next-gen consoles are supposed to improve on the previous one.
Xbox= DVD
Xbox 360=DVD
PS2= DVD
PS3= BLU-RAY.
Fanboys/Haters can disagree all they want, the truth hurts...

@Retard above me
Dont you realise that even M$'s beloved Halo needs a big HDD?

PirosThe4th5703d ago

hey don't by so tough on the xbox they added one more layer on the dvd for the 360... which even the ps2 was using for a long time... oh wait...

Biggest5703d ago

It's sad that you can't understand blatant sarcasm and call the person that posted it a retard. The PS3 has the advantage with HDDs as well and everyone knows it.

Meisadragon5703d ago

digital distribution is cool

But apart from developed countries not many in other countries can download so much.

Fireseed5703d ago

Um what are you talking about? The US and UK are the statistically slowest countries in terms of bandwidth.

nizza5703d ago

Yeah, uk average download speeds are 2mb and the ISP's either give you a usage cap, traffic shape you on the sly or in some cases, both!

Sure they are rolling out a new fibre product with up to 40mb, but that isn't going to be everywhere in the UK, only where it is likely to be profitable for them.
Regardless, Faster download speeds are useless without a larger usage allocation

writersblock5703d ago

Bandwidth caps
Downloading a game like GOW3, and you cant go on the internet for a month cus you're cap would likely have been met

PirosThe4th5703d ago

lol tru... i only get 200gb max of data... :/

jessupj5703d ago

I'm on 30gb, and that's one of the biggest plans you can get where I live in Australia.

DD is ABSOLUTELY, and I mean ABSOLUTELY NOT going to be anything close to viable until at least 10-15 years. And that's being very generous. At least in Australia anyway.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio4d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing4d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster924d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit4d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing4d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster924d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay6d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn26d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn26d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown6d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay6d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay6d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac5d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger6d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster30006d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde6d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde6d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent757d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_5d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.