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Using betas as marketing tools is 'disgusting', says Spec Ops dev

Spec Ops: The Line's lead designer Cory Davis has told GamerZines that he believes using betas as an "opportunity for marketing is absolutely disgusting", saying that the trend for the publishers to use them as marketing tools rather than getting "feedback from people that are going to play it" is "really disappointing".

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theonlylolking5750d ago (Edited 5750d ago )

True to that. I wish all betas would be taken seriously. Not just demos to lure peeps in(I am looking at you halo).

Xx Ziyad xX5750d ago

halo dont need marketing tools even its dont need ads just release the game and it will sell millions. so i think MAG use betas as marketing tools. if u say Halo use it

mcnablejr5750d ago

it was crackdown who used halo to boost its sales.
Providing the reach beta with odst was just a way to distribute it, they knew it would have good sales.

the mag beta was purely for player feedback, and in no way was it used to boost sales.

FragMnTagM5750d ago

but I loved Crackdown. I may have skipped the game had it not had the beta for Halo 3. Bungie did make quite a few tweaks to it after the beta. I don't think Halo belongs on the list. I had a blast playing the Halo 3 beta as well as the Reach beta. Bungie has stated that they have also changed several things since the Reach beta to make it more balanced.

Also, what about the unlucky people like myself that more often then not, do not get into private betas? The only betas I have been into that weren't public were PC betas.

Seijoru5750d ago

Its not like MS is always shoving Halo down little tweeny throats every few seconds at the Mall, on TV, at the Movie Theater, etc.

lastdual5750d ago

Bungie actually made changes based on community feedback from the beta (reticle bloom speed, grenade strength, player movement speed, jump height, ammo count and damage for certain weapons, melee speed and delay, HUD for objectives on certain game types, vehicle armor strength, and more...).

They made a TON of updates and improved the game. How is that a bad thing?

theonlylolking5750d ago

Grenade strength change is the dumbest thing bungie changed from the beta. Grenades are supposed to kill. Whats a point of a grenade if it usually never takes out there shield?

FragMnTagM5750d ago

They just will not be so powerful so that is all anyone uses.

Perjoss5750d ago

correct me if I'm wrong, but if they said company / devs listen to feedback from the beta and make a few tweaks based on the feedback how is it disgusting? does not happen enough imo.

fcpthebest5750d ago

Imo the changes only closed the gap between reach and halo 3.

But its true, most betas never change anything.

Nate-Dog5750d ago (Edited 5750d ago )

I agree with him but at the same time betas are always going to gain publicity. I know he means that when the main objective of a beta is for advertisement is when it's wrong, but it's always going to be one of the main reasons for a beta being released.

Apart from the really, really private betas that are handed out to very few people.

branchedout5750d ago

Public Betas that don't change much to the end game are good for server stress tests, though.

You'll have lots of people playing the game-ish for free. Lots of people on the server.

So they'll know whether or not they need to add more machines or take some away, to optimize cost of running the servers.

But that's just my limited knowledge. I've researched none of this and it's merely speculation.

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Amazing Games You Can't Buy Anymore

Whether due to publisher deals gone sour, licenses expiring, feuds between developer and publisher and other reasons entirely, there’s a wide range of games that you just can’t buy digitally anymore.

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PRIMORDUS448d ago

No One Lives Forever 1+2 is on Internet Archive for free.
https://archive.org/details...
https://archive.org/details...

Torrents are there. I actually have the original CD's from NOLF 2, never going to part with them.😁

Cacabunga448d ago

3D Dot Game heroes. Good luck

__y2jb448d ago

I have this. Never even realised it had become rare.

staticall448d ago

@Cacabunga
While i have a disc with the game, i was able to find it on a torrent ru tracker with at least 3 people seeding right now and it was downloaded 450+ times.

I wouldn't send a link (so i wouldn't get banned). But, i think, torrent or P2P are probably the last mostly reliable way to find old games no one cares about. I was able to find «Fable» there. Not the Lionhearts' Fable, but very old point-n-click adventure.

RaidenBlack448d ago

Need NOLF Remaster from Nightdive.

PRIMORDUS448d ago

NOLF 1+2 remaster for me = instant buy

Abnor_Mal448d ago

I still have my PS3 copy of Spec Ops, Battlefield Bad Company 1&2 & Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1/2.

Planning to replay those and a few others, but the controls feel so loose now compared to modern games.

Chocoburger448d ago

Change the title to: Amazing Games That Have Been Abandoned by Stupid Publishers Who Don't Care About their Legacy, so You Should Pirate and Enjoy them.

Okay, maybe that title was a bit too long. 😅

NotoriousWhiz448d ago

Amazing abandoned games that you should ARRRR.

DafunkyRebel448d ago

I missed out on the chance to buy BFBC1 on Xbox and I just want to kick myself silly. One of the best PS3 experience of my life. The feeling, impact, sound design of this game was leagues better than BF games that followed

TorpeAlex448d ago

Pour one out for Transformers Devastation

isarai448d ago

I lost my physical copy in a move, it still bothers me to this day 😅😔

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20 Amazing Games That Have Completely Disappeared From Storefronts

Cultured Vultures: In the spirit of preserving some kind of history of this industry, we’ve decided to list some of the best games that you just simply can’t get hold of digitally at the minute.

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TheEnigma313823d ago

I just started playing Spec op. I've had it for years on steam and forgot about it. Such a good game.

EvertonFC823d ago (Edited 823d ago )

Fantastic game,.so underated

Cacabunga823d ago

Yes great game spec ops! Since the time we’ve been asking sony to make one:/

Auto Modelista.. a PS2 capcom racer!! A blast to play and great graphics!
Maximo!
Rival Schools!

LordoftheCritics822d ago

Spec Ops: The Line was super dark.

Incredible story.

SheenuTheLegend822d ago

all the games in the above list are bang on. this is the only reason we need backwards compatibility and physical presense of games for the upcoming future, no matter what.

Yi-Long823d ago

Honorable mention to the excellent Driveclub, one of the best racing games of all-time and one of my favourite games ever.

melons823d ago

yes! incredible rain effects; so good to drive along in rain with your Spotify playlist blaring

Skuletor823d ago

I really wanted a MotorStorm using the same engine, Driveclub is easily one of the best looking games on PS4 and I'm surprised they didn't even give it a PS4 Pro patch.

ravens52822d ago

Yes indeed. May just install it on my PS5. You know, physical copy and all.

monkey602822d ago

I adored Driveclub and the Bike expansion. I also loved Motorstorm. Evolution shutting down was a crime

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darthv72823d ago

Outrun Online Arcade, Sega Rally Online Arcade, After Burner Climax... all good stuff. I keep my 360 hooked up to play these as well as the TMNT games that were also delisted.

Skuletor823d ago

I have quite a few of these. Timed licenses suck.

Terry_B822d ago (Edited 822d ago )

wow...I have all of them except the Nintendo ones either in physical or digital version.

Also..Deadpool the Game is missing on that list.

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Quarter Disorder Podcast: Episode 3-PlayStation State of Play 2024

Tim and Luis talk what they’ve been watching and playing along with the news from the past week, including all the games from Sony’s “State of Play,” Evil West, Silent Hill: The Short Message, Hideo Kojima weirdness, Spec Ops: The Line delisted and more!

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