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Kinect Controls Work Great... in a Bubble

The idea of controlling your console with gestures in a neat concept, but it also comes with a slew of technical challenges.

At the top of the list of issues that Microsoft's Kinect controller for the Xbox 360 faces is the problem of interference from people not in the virtual driver's seat of the console.

What happens when you're trying to control the Xbox 360 with gestures and someone walks in front of you or behind you? Right now? Things go haywire, but the person demonstrating the technology to me at last week's GamesCom said that they are still tweaking the interface.

Omega45714d ago

Luckily when you're at home you won't have crowds of people constantly walking behind you.

Nike5714d ago

If they're marketing the device at families, then I think you will.

captain-obvious5713d ago (Edited 5713d ago )

thats a nice spin you got in there omega

but since MS market this thing as a casual/family/party peripheral
so yes you well have things going on in the same spot
and you'll have people walking behind you

KingME5713d ago (Edited 5713d ago )

What happens when you are driving your favorite driving game going around a hairpin turn and your cousin walks directly in front of the TV?

What happens when you are going for that head shot in MW2 and your sister bumps your shoulder when she sits next to you?

What happens when you are using PS Move and someone stands between you and the camera?

I mean, really?

Some of you people act like because it is marketed to families that it is suppose to compensate for total craziness within the household.

We play the wii all the time, but we don't walk in front of each other while someone is playing, And I'm sure that if you did, there would be some sore of gaming backlash to it.

Godmars2905714d ago (Edited 5714d ago )

Not including roommates, parents, kids, friends, pets and assorted furnisher...

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jack_burt0n5714d ago (Edited 5714d ago )

yeah but you need so much space like 14ft of open terrain.

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listen all power to omega he tried it, he wants to buy it thats all fine, unless his alt account is mandatory install ppl need to give him a break.

Baka-akaB5714d ago (Edited 5714d ago )

well to be fair in his parents' basement surrounded by MS posters and ads material , he wont have that issue indeed

niceguywii605714d ago (Edited 5714d ago )

Yes families have dozens or hundreds of people around the TV LOL With unnatural lighting and cameras

I feel sorry for PS3 fanboys. Does anybody find it strange PS3 fanboys have this mentally ill obsession with Kinect? It's not normal and proves they're very worried about it.

twoface5714d ago (Edited 5714d ago )

Do you need a dozen to affect the controls?

How about ps move? Does it get affected by people moving around in the background, or does its algorithm recognize the balls of light as first priority?

Nike5714d ago

Apparently (in it's current stage - I don't know how much tweaking they can do since it's only 3 months from release), it only takes one person. Read the description again:

"What happens when you're trying to control the Xbox 360 with gestures and someONE walks in front of you or behind you? Right now? Things go haywire..."

Bellcross5714d ago

Kinect is perfect for you, you got no friends or family.

Milo and Skittles will keep you company at night.

pathetic troll.

Qui-Gon Jim5714d ago

The article mentions that all the demos units are located in areas enclosed by clear plastic. Plastic is opaque (not transparent) to infra-red. The Kinect system uses infra-red light for the 3D imaging. The camera cannot, therefore, see the crowds. Besides that, the software ignores anything beyond a certain distance, anyway.

The demo was being thrown off by the camera operator standing behind the couch. If you are playing at home, there very well may be people standing behind the couch watching. There's a simple enough fix, just make sure people aren't standing behind you, but it may cause problems for people, especially if people can't figure out what's wrong.

btk5713d ago

But Omega4 - I thought it could track 6 players... Seems like with only one a background person is going to be a problem.

And no - in my house there is a lot of people moving around. With four kids - if one is shouting at anyone who as much as cast a shadow in the living room because his Kinect is diskinecting... well - lets just say I am happy that I will be getting Move.

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jrbeerman115714d ago

Sounds like this tech may be a lil ahead of its time, hope it works out for em.

zootang5714d ago

Maybe you're behind the times?

jneul5714d ago

its ten whole years behind, it's already been done and proved not to work, controler-less gaming is not new and eyetoy did it first

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divideby05714d ago

when are we going to read something positive about Kinetic
I aint buying one since there is no killer app, its over priced and it dont play any REAL games.
I just am tired of reading all the negative press about it and waiting to read something that would remotely think about buying one

Pennywise5714d ago

The two people still defending this product are getting to look pretty sad. MS will never learn about taking shortcuts and rushing products.

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Former Xbox Exec Says Developers Didn't Want a Sony Monopoly

Former Xbox executive Ed Fries comments on the early days of Xbox, the opinion of Japanese game companies, and more.

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Reaper22_1d 19h ago

I dont think that'll ever happen. But i must say back in the day, they were definitely trying because they were more cash rich than their competitors.

CosmicTurtle1d 6h ago

I think MS were and still are the richer company. They tried to acquire Sega back in the day (and considered doing so again more recently), they obviously bought exclusivity to Halo which was originally shown as a Mac title. I don’t think as a company MS can claim the moral high ground here. It’s a wilful lack of self awareness.

Of course Sony would try exactly the same if they had the resources, but when the PS2 dominated the industry was in a much healthier place with an abundance of great third parties.

This has been a depressing generation as far as first party decisions are concerned. The fact we are debating business plans rather than which game is better is a sad reflection of the state of things.

Darkseeker1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

There was Nintendo as well, Sony wouldn't have had a monopoly. In fact, the world would be better today if Xbox never existed in the first place. They pretty much brought all bad practices we have today. We might have gotten all of it either way, but not this early. In term of franchises, I don't think there is anything Microsoft released that would actually be missed if it didn't exist. Even Halo the world wouldn't notice if Halo didn't exist.

S2Killinit1d 7h ago

MS was definitely a bad influence on gaming.

raWfodog1d 18h ago

I think almost everyone will agree that a monopoly is not good for the industry. But that being said, the competition needs to be smart and strategic with their business. Simply buying up publishers and traditional third-party studios just to keep them out of the other companies reach is not a sustainable practice. That goes for all parties so don't think I'm just referring to Xbox.

I'm no business guru by any stretch of the imagination but I firmly believe that the best way to drive consumers to your software and hardware is to invest smart in your first-party studios. Give them full support and guidance in making unique, fun games that are only available to play in your ecosystem and the gamers will come.

Reaper22_1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

But first party studios aren't enough. They only make up a small portion of the industry. Without 3rd party there would be no industry for Microsoft or sony.Developing games take time and money and sometimes you gotta make moves to stay competitive.

raWfodog1d 15h ago

Nah, I never said first-party was enough. I said it’s the ‘best way’ to drive gamers to your platform. 3rd-party is a free-for-all and there’s no guarantee that gamers will use your hardware to play the game. If you want to push your own software and/or hardware you need first-party, or at least exclusive deals with third-party studios.

SimpleDad1d 17h ago

They Shure did a great job... 25 years later Xbox is dead.

Reaper22_1d 17h ago

Then why be so emotional and continue to talk about it. Xbox will never die be ause it stays in so many people's head.

lodossrage1d 17h ago

How can you even see him being "emotional" in that comment?

If anything, you're the emotional one, constantly trying to go at anyone that says anything against Microsoft. So when you call him emotional, it comes off as deflection

Elda1d 6h ago

I own an XBSX & I can say it's becoming irrelevant out of the 3 current consoles.

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Xbox Game Pass ‘has become too expensive,’ says Microsoft’s new gaming chief in leaked memo

Microsoft’s new Xbox chief, Asha Sharma, has signaled that Xbox Game Pass pricing is about to change. In an internal memo to Xbox employees, obtained by The Verge, Sharma admits that “Game Pass has become too expensive for players” and that Microsoft needs “a better value equation.”

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GotGame8182d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Microsoft has been talking about adding commercials to get the cost down. Not in game, but before you start a session. I would just open my game then get all the stuff I need to done, before sitting down to play.

If they cut the price down enough to justify it, I'd do it. Most Sub services are giving the option now. If it's worth it!

blacktiger1d 17h ago

no moron! commercial will be in every loading and in game for further opportunity.

shadowfax331d 5h ago

user calling other user moron and gets upvoted....wow how toxic N4G has become.

jwillj2k41d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

Multiple tiers. You decide at what level you want the ads. Obtrusive gives you access to more games. This will allow ads to play during crucial moments of gameplay, almost guaranteeing you fail/die. However you gain access to more games. Unobtrusive only shows ads before/after you play, however you get a fraction of the games. /s

peppeaccardo1d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

FUK ads ... dont u have enough? MS should just make games and sell them, for indie or AA games get them on GP so to give visibility to small studios. They got into a business model which is not sustainable as it is killing their first party studios. Their fault .. .

Jingsing1d 5h ago

You do realize that has been one of the big reasons for the mass exodus of people leaving subscription services. Getting ad's while paying for a service and having the price continually jack up and ad time.

thorstein1d 3h ago

Why would they cut the cost to you?

GotGame8181d 2h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

What you said is not what I saw. What I read said at THE START of a session! Why be a jerk? It isn't like, I was intentionally lying, like so many do! Also, commercials will be an OPTION! Just like Netflix, Hulu, Prime, etc, offer them. GP is also aiming for free Cloud gaming with an AD supported tier.

I mean, do you even use GP? If you do and don't want commercials, you can pay not to have them. I in my OG comment said I might go the commercial tier IF it's worth it. No I wouldn't have all my loading screens be an ad like you said.
Have a great day.

BlaqMagiq11d 1h ago

I will never understand why people want forced ads in their faces in their games or their console. It's never worth it not even with a lower price tier.

CornholioX23h ago

Ads are the virus that needs to be removed!!

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Exthun1d 20h ago

Microsoft owns a massive collection of iconic IPs, yet somehow they keep proving they have absolutely no idea how to run the video game business.

Reaper22_1d 19h ago

Its not their job to run the game business. Everyone has a business model. You do what works for you. You react to changes in the market. Thats really all you can do.

TiredGamer1d 19h ago

Is this his other handle?

Smellsforfree1d 16h ago

No, actually reacting to the market is how Sony threw $400 million (reportedly) at Concord.

__y2jb1d 6h ago

“Its not their job to run the game business” - a new low in the blind defense of Xbox.

Alek831d ago

Interesting, isn't it?

Halo, Forza, Gears of War, Fable, Minecraft, and now Bethesda games... These should allow them to print money!

hiawa2314h ago

Especially selling them to the huge Playstation base. I say add Nintendo to the release schedule if it is truly about selling software. Get the games to the most gamers.

hiawa231d 17h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

But, Microsoft heads set the price in the first place. Don't scapegoat Phil and Sarah on that as I don't think made those calls, and a $650 Series X and $400 Series S is a nonstarter for most.

Extermin8or3_1d 9h ago

The cost of the consoles is outside of their control, they aren't going to sell at a loss when they aren't making money off games sales cos xbox players hardly buy any games thanks to games pass, which costs far too much to run and make the first party titles for. The console prices are determined by various global factors effecting hardware atm.

Eonjay1d ago

This is actually correct and what made things harder for Phil and Sarah was Amy hood demanding a 20% return on top of that

hiawa2314h ago(Edited 14h ago)

I get all of the outside forces here on console pricing. They aren't selling at all which was also one of the reasons they went multi-plat, so there seems to be no answer here for them as are you saying a 5 year old Xbox costs you more to make in 2026 than in 2020? If that is the case there is nothing further to say. I have two Series Xs so I hope they last.

Extermin8or3_1h ago

@hiawa23 yes that is exactly what I'm saying same for ps5. Remember these devices would have been finalised 208/2019. They were designed during a period of particularly low hardware and rare earth materials etc. They aren't designed to be efficient and are large and have large heat footprints. Both new consoles will benefit from new manufacturing process reducing amounts of silicon although the leaks about next gen xbox strongly suggest it has a much larger chip set than ps6, in line with average pc chips etc size and cooling. All of this now costs alot more than it has previously. Meanwhile leaked documentation about ps6 explicitly states that Sony following recent global shocks like covid and Ukraine war wanted to future proof ps6 from cost perspective. This means lower emergy usage, smaller chips etc and likely form factor and thus weight. This will also lead to cheaper shipping costs. I fully expect base ps6 to come in at cheaper then ps5 pro. Which is likely to be discontinued.

Father__Merrin1d 16h ago

cancel gamepass day one titles

Eonjay1d 14h ago

Well it seems like the rumor of COD leaving GP is real.

Jingsing1d 5h ago

They'll probably just end up killing off the surviving Xbox users who are left and that are into that model. They won't regain the vast majority they lost either.

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Content Creators Are Receiving Xbox Project Helix Merchandise From Microsoft

Content creators are receiving Xbox Project Helix merchandise alongside a note from Microsoft Gaming CEO Asha Sharma.

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shadowT5d ago

Everyone deserves to make a bit of money

VenomUK4d ago

“Just wait until next year!”

DivineHand1254d ago

Well they are doing what they can to revive the brand. They have a lot of work to do.

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peppeaccardo3d ago

yep agree 100% ... and some more. The hype machine is warming up and the performance numbers sheet will be filled in no time to guarantee that the winner on paper is revealed way before the launch day ... BUT as we all know only 1st party games and brand idenity will declare the real winner. Only problem is the price tag needed to get into next gen ...

SIdepocket4d ago

Just what the world needs: another poorly-selling console.

Agent753d ago

Next gen will be a massive failure for Microsoft and Sony, you could say it's already started. Game sales at an all-time low and the high cost of consoles and controllers, the PlayStation 5 Pro is the first indication on the pricing of next gen consoles and that's been a sales flop for Sony. Some people will say that people are paying eye watering prices for PCs, but that's an entirely different market, what I call OCD gaming. As I mentioned in another post, the PlayStation 5 Pro here sells for just under £800, which is just over $1000, games can top £75 ($100), including Switch 2 games. Some of us would like to see a single format, but that'll never happen. Microsoft and Sony would laugh at the idea of stepping off the gas pedal with the tech and do what Nintendo has done with the Switch 2. Three hybrid consoles fighting against each other, basically taking current tech and adding a few bells and whistles. Who's up for a PlayStation 6 for $999 and $99 games? Let me know in the comments.

Reaper22_3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

The simple solution is dont buy what you cant afford. You dont have to move on just because the companies do. If people want better hardware and better games theyre gonna be more expensive. People need to be content with what they have.

rlow13d ago

You know a lot of those sales are dads and moms buying for their kids and teens. Consoles have alway been a reasonable price to a degree. But you start heading far north of $500, I don’t see as many parents buying for their kids or teens……will it still sell? Yes but will it sell a hundred million or more…..that’s the real question. Hopefully ram prices drop.

derek3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

@Agent75 There is no need to lie to make your point. The ps5pro is selling as a percentage about as well as the ps4pro. The recent pssr2 update has actually improved its value. Your attempt to group the ps5 a console (that is about to cross 100 million sold and is by far Sony's most profitable generation) with the abject failure that is xbox is laughably stupid. Truth is Sony shouldn't even consider launching another console until 2029 at the earliest.

StoneTitan3d ago

Everyone except you knows the pro is a profit machine that is why its expensive.
Ps6 will not be even close to it in price

rlow13d ago

What happens if ram prices remain high? Do you think Sony or MS would eat those costs? Depends on how much they would have to absorb.

InUrFoxHole3d ago

And the lord shone his light upon gamers!

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