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Microsoft: Kinect/Move Don't Compare

NowGamer: Kudo Tsunoda cunningly dodges the 'which is better' question and focuses instead on how different they are

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HeroXIV5739d ago

This is kinda nice of Kudo to not go in Turn-10 style. Makes Microsoft look a lot more professional.

get2sammyb5739d ago

Yeah. And he's right. They are very different. I mean, obviously there are comparisons you can draw. But at the heart of it, they are very different peripherals.

SillySundae5739d ago

... I praise him for choosing the high-road.

barom5739d ago

I don't get it. Here's Kudo's quote:

“Tracking your full body in 3D space,” he said “is a much different experience than just being able to track a couple of points in your hands.”

Sounds like a jab at PS Move to me but you can all decide for yourself.

0mega45738d ago

but kinect and move are in deferent leagues

yet kinect will be in the league with microsoft phone the kin

which they dropped less than a month in to the product line with less than 1000 sold nationwide

microsoft needs to shift the focus back to exclusives

and less on hand gestures for my multimedia functions

last thing you want to do out of a successful generation is piss off the core audience
and lose future sales of a future xbox

GWAVE5739d ago

They are different. One focuses on gamers and has 40+ game support, the other focuses on Justin Bieber fans and has tiger-petting support.

walker015739d ago

people on N4G are really immature now, half the comments are really lame puns at microsoft and xbox most of the time.

kazman5739d ago

thats because GWAVE has nothing better to do then post in xbox articles.

BloodyNapkin5739d ago

Well at least when 2 people using the Kinect it doesn't double the input lag.......See how that works, very easy to troll.

gamingdroid5739d ago

It's usually Gwave, mrv321, Nyc_Gamer, raztad, D4RkNIKON and co. that trolls every Xbox 360 articles. They have nothing constructive to say and all they are here for is to troll.

I think they should spend some more time in the PS3 section. The whole site would be a much nicer place if they stick to their interest instead of their "hated enemy".

karl5739d ago

c'mon guys ... u have to admit that MS made it to easy to mock kinect

siyrobbo5739d ago

so whats eyepet? a monkey spanking simulation? trust me i dont need one of those.......

btk5739d ago

It is just because GWAVE stated the obvious. All the MS PR seems to become a way of making excuses for why Kinect is not useful. Funny how at the start the grand claims of dev support, revolutionary etc. Now they are spinning so much that everyone reading two MS PR releases in a row will suffer from whiplash.

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doG_beLIEfs5739d ago

The Eye can do headtracking, voice recognition, augmented reality, gesture control, it can also do limited 3D and it can track a human at twice the frame rate with better resolution.

The only things that the Kinect can do that the Eye cannot is full 3D tracking (although nothing from MS has shown this yet but they claim it) and the camera moves to follow you.....thats it.

Add in the Move controller and there is NO comparison.

VINNIEPAZ5739d ago (Edited 5739d ago )

"They are different. One focuses on gamers and has 40+ game support, the other focuses on Justin Bieber fans and has tiger-petting support. "

And this is why this site is known by the gaming community as a P$3 fanboy haven and why P$3 fanboys are the biggest s#!t stains in gaming.

"people on N4G are really immature now, half the comments are really lame puns at microsoft and xbox most of the time."

Half? I'd give it a strong 80% Anytime we get a gaming event the P$3 fanboys will be in full force in every Xbox360 article giving there narrow minded (bu..bu...bu..but Blu-rays is needed!) opinions, just comes with the site I guess.

HeroXIV5739d ago

I'm not sure that comment is any better. Calling a person who enjoys his or her PS3 a "sh*t stain" is really going TOO far.

dc15739d ago

Slow down friend!
You're backing yourself in a conner.... no need to go there. :)

Yardie5739d ago

I wouldn't say the ps3 fanboys are worse, because most of the time they actually have legit points, whereas, 360 fanboys no longer have points and say things like:
-"cross-game chat"
-"some multiplats"
-"looks like a dildo"
-"no games, except for all those games you have, but thats beside the point"
-"Graphics only matter when the game is multiplat"
-"yeah, well, you smell funny"
-"you're a poopy head"

Downtown boogey5739d ago

He said "fanboy" not a regular person "who enjoys his or her PS3"
Look at the disagrees people... You're such hypocrites

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karl5739d ago

is kudo Japanese, cant see his eyes yet ... and he has a suspicious lastname

Downtown boogey5739d ago

Did you read what he said HeroXIV? It's bashing all the way.

harrisk9545739d ago

Actually, I in my opinion his comment was no better than Turn 10's nonsense. The quote was, “Tracking your full body in 3D space is a much different experience than just being able to track a couple of points in your hands.”

He was basically saying that Kinect's technology is way much more advanced than Move's. There is no doubt in my mind that he was bashing move when you actually look at his quote and see between the lines.

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NYC_Gamer5739d ago (Edited 5739d ago )

does kinect have anything besides mini games?thats what people should be asking

Omega45739d ago (Edited 5739d ago )

But does Move have any games which can only be played with Move and NOT a standard controller too? Thats an even more important question.

@andthensum
Good luck playing Dance Central with just a d-pad

@get2sammyb
Sounds like plenty of mini games doesn't it?

@fooltheman
But why spend extra money on more option when you get the best option for free with your console?

@mrv321
Yeah there are but not 98% of them like Move.

@D4RkNIKON
But why would you want to play with Move instead of using the regular controller? Its like you're throwing £100 away cause you can get the same (if not better) experience without spending anything extra.

andthensum5739d ago (Edited 5739d ago )

You'd only need the d-pad

nycredude5739d ago

Unfortunately the dpad on the 360 controller is complete crap!

get2sammyb5739d ago

@ Omega - yes, plenty. Echochrome, Sports Champions, Start The Party, Tumble all spring to mind immediately.

fooltheman5739d ago

what's the problem with that?
More options more fun

UP5739d ago

good luck playing first person shooters, third person shooters, with kinect.

mrv3215739d ago

Aren't some Natal games also compatible with 360 controller? Yeah oh wait.

Maybe and get this, perhaps Move is a further evolution of a controller, so it's easier to make a game work well with both controller and move. Move could also be radiation evolution. PLUS Move has buttons, something we discovered from the Sega Activate and Power glove are NEEDED.

D4RkNIKON5739d ago

Why is that an important question? Move works with games that gamers actually play. I find nothing to complain about and you are grasping at straws trying to find something to put down

R2D25739d ago (Edited 5739d ago )

The first comments and already this tread has turned into a pissing contest.

Grow the f#$k up and remember that Sony and MS does not love you and would not take a bullet for you, they want your money not your fanboyism.

Is like the guy who made the statement can not win - if he said that Kinect is better he would get flamed and by him saying what he said he still gets flame.

raztad5739d ago

Omega4

Games like Dance Central are on the PSEye since the PS2 days. Check for Kinetic.

Some more recent are Start the Party, Echocrome 2, EyePet.

nycredude5739d ago

Omega4

And how exactly is it a good thing that you have no choice but to buy an overpriced peripheral if you want to play the games? I like choices. you seem to be against it. You really are delusional. If you aren't paid by MS then I have no idea why you defend them so much, even when it makes no sense at all.

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Boody-Bandit5739d ago (Edited 5739d ago )

Omega leave it up to you to try and spin this into a bad thing. That is the very reason why Move is the more viable option. It will work with nearly any game created. Oh and it will work with the best accuracy of all motion devices on a console. Spin it any way you feel it suits your bias but in the end this is why Move is the clear cut best option for gamers. It will cater to all games hardcore and casual.

mightydog015739d ago (Edited 5739d ago )

OMEGA you say the same BS....kinnect games will be like eye toy games which are already out....move is the next step up from wii motion but move got both eyetoy+move its more advance when you combine both....

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outrageous5739d ago (Edited 5739d ago )

They are DIFFERENT. Kinect offers full body skeletal mapping and you are starting to see Kinect games moving in that direction. Here's the tech for the millionth time...Look at Kinect 3D mapping the entire space at 1:16.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Many developers/games are starting to come to grips with the tech...Here's Ubi's Kinect exclusive Fighter Uncaged...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Kinect will only be as good as the software and the developers creative minds. They are just getting started, the thing is only a year old...lol. KZ2 took 5 years to make with the PS3 cell. What will Kinect games look like with 5 years of development under it's belt...EXACTLY.

get2sammyb5739d ago

@Omega -- No. They don't look like mini-games actually. They look really quite good. :)

Biggest5739d ago

Are you saying that Kinect games will be as visually impressive as Killzone 2? Or are you just saying it'll get better over time? The latter may turn out to be true. Smart consumers will wait until that time comes and buy the Kinect at the very low discounted price it will be sold at. Early adopters need only look a few months in the past to see what may happen if Kinect doesn't sell well. The Kin was barely given a chance.

doG_beLIEfs5739d ago

"KZ2 took 5 years to make with the PS3 cell"

Actually, KZ2 started full development in early 2007. GG said so themselves. Otherwise you are going to tell me that it started development in 2004? Dude the Cell chip was not even DONE then and the RSX was not finalized until spring of 2006.

Thank you....try again

hilliat27835739d ago (Edited 5739d ago )

Your such a troll...comparing a DS3 to a Move & Nav controller is like comparing any controller to a PC mouse. It's all about precision and that is what Move does that Killzone 3 is showing off right now. I guess you missed the memo but GamesCom has vid of Killzone 3 using Move and it looks super precise. Then again a troll like you could never come to terms with reality.

@outrageous
See I have problem with Ubi's game because for a fighter it's a stand on rails experience which is the same problem I have with Moves version. I like fighters with full 3D envirements to run around it but that's just me.

BloodyNapkin5739d ago (Edited 5739d ago )

Actually Killzone 2 took 5 years to make. Regardless how you slice it, yes go look it up GG games says so. 3 years for the engine and 2 years to make the game. Guess what 3+2=5.

Thank you...try again

niceguywii605739d ago (Edited 5739d ago )

Kinect is starting to make PS3 fanboys nervous with their increased trolling as we get closer to its launch, their true confidence in Move is starting to show. Move is Wii HD and Kinect will offer the evolution of Motion and will be seen as revolutionary and the showing off of new Kinect software as of late' has reopened PS3 fanboy wounds.

Sony's tacked on Move lineup will fail people will grow tired of games meant to be played with a Controller, Kinect games are designed for its motion tech.

Sony's shady movement will be making a sh*tload of noise while 360 sales are up starting from the release of Halo to the release of Kinect trying to drown out MSFT's hype/momentum in a attempt to steal MSFT's thunder. PS3 fanboys know Move will have little effect due to 360 slim, Halo and Kinect' this is why they troll so much.

Pennywise5739d ago

I am 100% positive that Omega is paid by Microsoft. I am pretty sure this is why he is not banned yet.

I see through it, I guess everyone else doesn't with the responses they give him. He is paid to do this... that is the absolute ONLY reason he would say such stupid things.

iamnsuperman5739d ago

omega4 you xbox fanboy fool.... i am thinking shoud i sink to your level

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ATLGAMER5739d ago (Edited 5739d ago )

No real game are on kinect..im not saying it can't be done but until we have proof it can be it cant...It will take a lot of imagination cause what we see now dose not warrant a purchase unless you are taking a blind faith leap...

n4gno5739d ago

LOL@niceguywii60

Denial power. (eye toy say hello to misinformed like you)

kasasensei5739d ago

Sure! You should not compare kinect to anything before making its purchase. Or you will not... purchase it. XD

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio5d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing5d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster925d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit5d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing5d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster925d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay7d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn28d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn27d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown8d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay7d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay7d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac7d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger8d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster30008d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde8d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde7d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

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Agent759d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_7d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.