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Kinect: Can it make the breakthrough

Microsoft has dubbed Kinect as a new way of playing your Xbox 360 without a controller. It’s a controller-free gaming experience; an innovative experience that allows the user to play video games without having to touch a controller. Or…Kinect may be a huge bandwagon for Microsoft to leap on to appeal to the more family-oriented casual gamer. And it might even be a way to dumb down video games…without a controller.

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Johnny_Bravo5762d ago (Edited 5762d ago )

"The bundle including a 4GB Xbox 360 slim, Kinect, and Kinect Adventures with one controller is priced the same price as the Halo Reach bundle"

No its not, that bundle is $299, the Halo Reach bundle is $399. I hate stupid people.

EDIT: £249.99 = $399 We are not getting screwed on the Reach Bundle, you guys are getting screwed with a higher price Kinect Xbox Bundle.

mrv3215762d ago

http://www.game.co.uk/Conso...
http://www.game.co.uk/Conso...

Same price

Just saying the US is being screwed on the Reach bundle.

siyrobbo5762d ago

its the same price, £249 is 399 dollars

the kinect bundle is overpriced in the UK, not the reach bundle in the usa

Bigpappy5761d ago

Where do you guy search for these Columns on Kinect? Aer these European base sites?

It is a dumb article based on some random guys opinion. There are plenty of these right here on N4G. So why search the internet for simular opions. Does this some how validate yours?

Kinect's price is fine.

Zir05762d ago (Edited 5762d ago )

"£249.99 = $399" And yet the PS3 is £249 and $299 in the US.

I would just say the Reach bundle is just really good value in the UK.

aceofspades5762d ago

i took a peak at your comment history and im just shocked man, downright unbelievable.

Alos885762d ago

If it has 1:1 tracking I believe it can reach a new level of immersion, otherwise it will never really feel like I'm effecting the game with my movements.

asyouburn5762d ago

the camera has to detect your movements, then send the data to the 360, and this is even before the game gets ahold of the data to process it. its not necessarily a bad thing, but it is how it is.

Alos885762d ago

If it could mirror my movements that would be great, but at the least it should be able to tell what I'm doing and give me a vague approximation. I remember playing golf on Wii Sports and having the Mii move the club backwards as I moved it forwards, I hated that.

asyouburn5762d ago

will be cleaned up over time as the software gets better.

IHateYouFanboys5761d ago

i swear, none of you guys even know what 1:1 motion tracking is lol.

1:1 means what you do gets perfectly recreated on screen. it doesnt matter if there is 0 seconds of lag, or 10 seconds of lag - if your action gets perfectly mirrored in the game, its 1:1. if you move your right hand up 20cm, and the game moves whatever your right hand is controlling up 20cm, thats 1:1. it doesnt matter if it takes half a second or half an hour - its 1:1. we KNOW that kinect can do 1:1.

if lag affected 1:1 tracking, then no input system in the entire world could achieve 1:1, as even a standard wired control pad has >50ms of lag. the ONLY thing that determines if tracking is 1:1 is the ACTION, not the lag.

JustTheFactsMr5761d ago (Edited 5761d ago )

"we KNOW that kinect can do 1:1. "

Draw something using your finger with Kinect. If it can do 1:1 it should be easy stuff.

"it doesnt matter if there is 0 seconds of lag, or 10 seconds of lag"

It matters to the user because the disconnect between their movement and the games representation of it will make the game an unplayable bewildering mess.

Just like this.

http://360.kombo.com/articl...

Seriously WTF is Kinect's problem? Oh right we have to wait until the software improves 8 years now after the lowly PS2 was doing it. I thought it was 3D so why do they run in place. Because 3D doesn't matter for most of the games they are showing anyway. So what was the point again?

And look the PS2 Eyetoy was doing your definition of 1:1 motion tracking as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

At least the PS2 Eyetoy worked 7 years ago when it was released. Better than Kinect and with a last gen cpu doing all the work as well.

7 years ago.

The gullibility of people really is astounding.

Welcome to the innovative next gen Kinect 7 years later and still not working on that "next gen" hardware.

No surprise coming from MS really. Just more hardware that doesn't work as advertised.

Just pay the media to look the other way and pretend it does. The 360 fanboys will buy it every time. Over and over and over.

IHateYouFanboys5761d ago

@JustTheFactsMr: "Draw something using your finger with Kinect. If it can do 1:1 it should be easy stuff. "

do the same with Move. oh wait, Move cant detect your finger movements either. so if youre going to use FINGER movements to determine if a control method can do 1:1 tracking, then NEITHER Kinect or Move can do 1:1.

but the fact is that with both Move AND Kinect, in regards to your hands it ONLY tracks your HANDS, not fingers. Kinect can do full body/limb tracking in 1:1, just not individual fingers or toes. Move can do 1:1 hand tracking, but not individiual fingers or toes, and also not full body. just hands.

the eye toy is *kind of* capable of 1:1 tracking - it can do it in a 2D plane, but not 3D, so its not true 1:1 as it doesnt do depth. in conjunction with the Move controllers it does depth, but only for the actual move controllers, hence only 1:1 for your hands that are holding move controllers.

"It matters to the user because the disconnect between their movement and the games representation of it will make the game an unplayable bewildering mess. "

that doesnt change what 1:1 tracking is though. like i said, 1:1 ONLY refers to input/on-screen response. time is no factor. yes, lag makes things unplayable - but it doesnt change the fact that its 1:1.

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Rybakov5762d ago

it has a slight lag like every camera but it is barley noticeable dance central has no lag

and other than that child of Eden is gonna be awesome with kinect

hill715762d ago

the only thing it will break is peoples wallets

absolutecarnage5762d ago

if a $150 dollars breaks your wallet u have more things to worry about than playing video games. It's simple don't have the money to spend don't buy it

games4fun5762d ago (Edited 5762d ago )

there are two views,

1. Judge it by what it has been proven to do and shown: There currently no good games to purchase besides a somewhat decent looking dance game. There has been lag issues and scripted events trying to portray something it is not capable of currently.

2. Wait and see:
You can wait for it to launch and decide for yourself. Over time the games,controls and software may improve and become worthy of a purchase.

To answer the article, simply not when it launches. IMO the line-up is poor and judging from the video's it is a very iffy device. In a year or so it might be what msoft says it is, but I'm not one to really believe msoft when most of it is just imo hype/Public Relations with no substance.

It seems as if msoft has grasped at a concept before their time. I understand they are trying to create the holodec/motion control gaming we want in the future, currently though, it just isn't working. Maybe in the next generation of kinect 2 we will get the great experience with a more powerful machine to do all the complex things required

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio18d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing18d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9218d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit18d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing18d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9218d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay20d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn220d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn220d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown20d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay20d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay20d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac19d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger20d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300020d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde20d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde20d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7521d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_19d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.