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Killzone: 3D optimisation benefits 2D

Guerilla Games says the extra tech work being done to get Killzone 3 running smoothly in 3D will benefit the 2D game's performance.

"That means that the tech guys back home are very hard at work to make sure that the performance gets up there. That benefits the entire game because we need to make sure that 3D runs at 30 frames [per second] and that benefits the 2D version obviously as well," he added.

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ALFAxD_CENTAURO5806d ago (Edited 5806d ago )

This happened to Stardust HD too, they implemented 3D, and the game (2D) is improved thanks to 3D.

http://n4g.com/news/542272/...

MasFlowKiller5806d ago (Edited 5806d ago )

Lets make this clear.
The PS3 is a powerful machine but if you tell me that a game that has to render an image twice could somehow improve upon a game that only has to render an image once then you my good sir are the biggest idiot i have ever meet.

The PS3 has the same amount of power whether it renders the image once or twice.

the fact that the engine has to work to render the image twice means more of the PS3's power will have to go toward making the game 3D, there by limiting what the game could be.

All Ive seen of Killzone 3 hasn't really impress me yet cause as it stand right now, its not a visual improvement from Killzone 2. I truly hope going 3D doesn't mean a scarify in number of enemies on screen, or visual fidelity becuase as i mention before 3D games have to have an engine that Renders the image twice, that second image has to come from somewhere, plus each image has to run at at-least 30FPS.

thats just a fact.
If anyone Disagrees I hope they at-least tell me how am wrong.

na2ru15806d ago

3D uses extra resources. At least it's still in pre-alpha. They should be able to notch it upto 60fps if in 2D that would be bloody amazing.

MasFlowKiller5806d ago (Edited 5806d ago )

but the fact is that 3D uses extra resources.

I hate the idea of seen innovation taking a step backwards becuase making the game in 3D is taking too much of the PS3's power.

This generation of console were not build with 3D in mind,
the way i see it, it will hurt both the games and 3D
The games becuase if build with 3D in mind they will be build with a limit in mind and 3d because most games wont be able to have adequate 3D to captivate the audience.

and as it stand there is no audience, How many people here are planning on buying a 3D TV between now and February, around the time Killzone 3 release date?

I just think that limiting the amount of resources Killzone 3 and every other games running in 3d have available for such a small a audience is not very logical.

Dacapn5805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

You're right and wrong at the same time. It's true that rendering an image twice inherently reduces the quality, but you're forgetting how 3D works. There are literally 3 games on the blu ray disc. There's the 2D version of the game, the 3D version for your left eye, and the 3D version for your right eye.

The game isn't actually rendering 2 simultaneous images. It's alternating the image for your left and right eye, so technically, all it's doing is rendering the game faster, which is why 3D doesn't demand THAT much in terms of raw processing power and quality sacrifice and is also why the 2D version ends up running smoother and in a higher rez in the end.

RBLAZE19885805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

I agree with everything you said about the 3d limiting what the ps3 can do but if you look at the bright side everyone playing the 2d version of the game will get a massive performance boost. That could mean higher res texture and output, a faster fps and anti aliasing. If that is the case i'll be pretty happy with this outcome. I'd rather get a game that looks as good as killzone 2 running at around 60 fps then get a really good looking game running at a 20-30 fps. Remember killzone 2 is still one of the best looking first person shooters.

shoddy5805d ago

Since 3d take a lot of ps3 power to run 30fps, would you say KZ3 in 2d will be a walk in the park in term of performance?

All the 3d hater act like they'er professional since yall don't even know how to make 2d video games.
I bet all yall smart brokeass don't even own a 3d tv yet.
How dare you doubt the real pro.

hakis865805d ago

One thing is cetain: time will tell =)

I see your point and admit that it will be interesting to see how it all works out. (btw I'm getting a 3DTV - will post impressions later this year).

But as far as I have seen, Killzone 3 has huge environments, more going on at the screen and a more vibrant color palette (compared to Killzone 2) - and that is from the video diplayed in 3D from the E3 show!
Additionally the screens I've seen from KZ3 certainly doesn't have lower-res textures than Killzone 2. So it IS a visual improvement from KZ2.

I agree with, I also hope it won't sacrifice the number of enemies on screen etc.
When it comes to HOW the PS3 renders 3D though I don't know how. Something tells me that it doesn't (and maybe couldn't?) render everything twice. Maybe they've come up with some smart way to use part of the Cell chip to calculate a second image that is somewhat offset from the original and then diplaying it?
Not sure. What are your thoughs, guys?

IHateYouFanboys5805d ago

@dacapn:

Do some more reading before you post. Games being in 3d actually do render more, notjust alternate. If a game is natively 1280x720, to do it in 720p in 3d it actually has to render 1280x1470 - both the left and right eye images top to bottom with a 30 pixel buffer in the middle. This is why NONE of the 3d retail games are able to do native 720p in 3d - it's too much for the console to render.

n4gno5805d ago

@mas, even if killzone2 graphics have today no competition (consoles), everybody was impressed by kz3 gameplay and improvments (even without 3D), just look at the TV show before the guy use the 3D glasses, the scene is just huge, and never seen before (a lot of things on screen, action everywhere, explosions, jet pack), kz3, like the 2, look again "in game" like others shooters (multis/xbox) look in the pre rendered movies !

raztad5805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

I disagree with almost everything MassFlow wrote.

"tell me that a game that has to render an image twice could somehow improve upon a game that only has to render an image once then you my good sir are the biggest idiot i have ever meet"

I dont know where you got that idea. Who is saying KZ3D>KZ3? Should you checked ALFA link you would had realized that the "optimization process" to get the game running smoothly in 3D (which is exactly what the article states) helps to push 2D to new heights, as happened with SuperStarDust.

"thats just a fact."

Sorry but your "facts" are just opinions of a distorted reality.

Someone above already said why KZ3 is a step up from KZ2, but I would add this: You have only seen a PRE-alpha code, incomplete and with placeholders from KZ2. The optimization process has not even begun cause it actually starts when game is in BETA. Here is a hopping for a solid 720p@30fps game in 3D.

@IHATEFANBOYS

Dunno what "tricks" PD used but GT5 is 720p@60fps in 3D, so you are wrong.

Hideo_Kojima5805d ago (Edited 5805d ago )

GG also said that code writen for game consoles often runs faster even on PCs...

Any type of optimization helps really.

Of course if you push something more visually the previews version will run faster or at a higher res because you have some extra juice left over when your not using the visuals.

IHateYouFanboys5796d ago

@raztad: "Dunno what "tricks" PD used but GT5 is 720p@60fps in 3D, so you are wrong."

no, its not lol.

even the people over at GT Planet know that its going to be running in sub-720p, as 2x720p images is pushing FAR more pixels than the 1280x1080 "1080p" resolution of GT5. if the console could do that, it would run in a higher resolution than 1280x1080 natively.

http://www.gtplanet.net/for...

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biggame9015806d ago (Edited 5806d ago )

Halo Reach a technical masterpiece? Dude, put down the pipe, back away from the keyboard, and get some help.

Hideo_Kojima5805d ago

Artistically its awesome but technically...

No no no.

But I really do like the art style in Halo its cheerful even though its a war you fight in nice clean environments which sometimes I feel like doing..

theonlylolking5806d ago

Guess we can expect more from this game since he makes that claim.

IcarusOne5806d ago

How many of you will actually be playing this in 3D?

inception1235806d ago (Edited 5806d ago )

more then there will be playing any 3d 360 game hell more then there probably are playing in HD on the 360. also who cares how many do it is an optionn not a requirement. lastly even if you don't play in 3D it still makes the 2D better like it says in the article. give it up 360 owners trying to downplay 3D only makes you look dumb.

IcarusOne5805d ago

First, you're clearly not as cool as the movie.

Second, I plan on playing on KZ3, but don't have a 3D TV. And with all this attention and bitterness, I'm wondering how many on this board will actually play it in 3D. Otherwise, if most of us aren't going to experience it, it seems like a silly thing to argue about.

Way to fly the fanboy flag. Totally unnecessary.

Holeran5805d ago

Saving up for a 3d tv now so when it comes out I have it. It's going to be bloody brilliant.

AcesHigh2915806d ago

That seems like a rather obvious statement though.

It's like saying "Hey guys since we have to render everything twice for 3D, the 2D version of the game will get a boost since it's only being rendered once."

We've already seen the boost in performance on Super Stardust HD. So I don't know why this is news worthy since it's a statement that could be said by any game doing 3D on PS3.

raztad5806d ago

You are totally right, but some people seems to be "worried" about 3D affecting 2D performance. This comes to assure them, that isnt happening and the game in 2D will be fuckin amazing as everybody expect from KZ3.

sikbeta5806d ago (Edited 5806d ago )

@AcesHigh291

This is news cos we had LOADS of articles saying "3D can screw/gimp the games that implement it", so this is Good news for the jealous and lame dudes who where approving those crappy articles in order to bash the PS3, 3D and at the same time wanted to Spread FUD

Haters, 3D is Awesome, you can't go against it and:

http://media.giantbomb.com/...

redsquad5806d ago

Well, we've already had a few trolls posting here that KZ3 has "sacrificed elements" in order to accomodate 3D, so it's nice to be able to laugh at them with authority.

AcesHigh2915806d ago

Well in all honesty at their current build of the game there probably are a few sacrifices to the game to make it run in 3D.

I'm not trying to say that's going to be the case when the game launches, but who knows right?

But trying to say that making the game run in 3D is going to somehow hinder the 2D experience is complete bollocks.

DasBunker5806d ago

arent all games since the N64/PSone era in 3D? havent played a 2D game since the SNES

GarandShooter5805d ago

Conceptually 3D, in that your character has the ability to move in in the x,y, and z planes, but not visually rendered in 3D.

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Honest_gamer5806d ago

this game will be great no matter what they do they could just make pong and it will be the best graphics out...so long as they fix the controls i'll buy it

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piroh562d ago

There's too many games to choose from

No Metal geat solid 1,2,3,4?
No Resident evil?
No Silent hill?
No Midnight club 3?
No NfS Underground 2?
No Final Fantasy?
No Burnout 3?
No Dragon quest 8?
No Days gone?
No Ace combat?
No Tekken/Soul calibur?......
just from the top of my head

PS1 era was full of great RPGs, PS2 was racing generation i would pick top 200 and even that would be just a fraction.

FinalFantasyFanatic562d ago

30 is way too low over the entire history of Playstation, I just wouldn't be able to narrow it down that much, I would pick 100 at least.

Storm23562d ago

Yeah...really odd list. I get that it is personal preference and I love most of the games listed, but my list would definitely be different. I agree though, it would be incredibly difficult to come up with just 30.

lockedongamer1562d ago (Edited 562d ago )

I only picked first-party titles. Otherwise, I agree!

EDIT: Except for Days Gone, I don't get the love for it but you do you!

Chocoburger552d ago

I didn't like Days Gone either, it doesn't deserve to be on any best of list.

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20 Years of Guerrilla: The Story of a PlayStation Studio

The Amsterdam-based studio reflects on its humble beginnings, beloved franchises, and growth through the years.

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SullysCigar1128d ago

Up there with the top tier in the industry. Love Guerrilla Games - Horizon Burning Shores is simply STUNNING.

1Victor1128d ago

Can’t wait for their next franchise

SullysCigar1128d ago

Same. They nailed it with Horizon. The trouble is I also want a new Killzone! Can't I just have it all?!

jznrpg1127d ago

I’m with you I want Horizon 3 , Killzone and new IPs

badz1491127d ago

I have yet to play Burning Shores as I just started Forbidden West (bought at launch, just unwrapped last weekend LOL) and playing on PS5.

man...I still can't believe the graphics especially now I'm playing it on my LG OLED. that graphics and with stable performance backing it up, GG really is the master of their craft!

Vengeance11381128d ago

32.7M sales in the Horizon franchise! With 8.4M coming from Forbidden West alone! Truly a hugely successful game and franchise as a whole. Looking forward to Horizon III

Shane Kim1128d ago

That's kind of a huge drop though. It's only been two games.

VersusDMC1128d ago

One year after realease HZD sold 7.6 million.

https://www.noobfeed.com/ne...

So not a drop off.

Unless you're saying a HFW should have sold as much now as HZD sold in 5 years?

Vengeance11381128d ago

It's been 3 games, this includes Call of the Mountain. Also no, its a great improvement over HZD.

solideagle1128d ago

lol you are comparing:

HZD: 28 February 2017 - May 2023 (6 years+)

HFW: 18 February 2022 - May 2023 (1 year+)

We will see if it surpass original number.

Phoenix761128d ago

@shane, 2 full main games, 2 DLC add ons, 1 VR spin off game, oh and a an official LEGO set.
Not too bad for an ip that's only been on market for 6 years

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REDGUM1127d ago

Wow, very impressive. I didn't know the numbers were so high for Forbidden West. Still playing through it myself

thesoftware7301128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

Yooo, when I first saw that Killzone 1 footage at E3, my friends my brothers and I were like, Holy shit! When it came out, it didn't look exactly like it, but we sunk so many hours into 1 & 2.

I even liked Killzone: SF, it was a spectacle to look at, and even today it looks good. I hope they make a new one. Can you imagine how that will look, and they can get some modern FPS pointers from Bungie.

blacktiger1127d ago

thank you fps lover, I'm with you

talocaca1128d ago

Such a wonderful studio. They deserve all their success.

The Decima Engine is absolute 🔥 I'm just mad they have abandoned Killzone.

OzzY-waZZy1128d ago (Edited 1128d ago )

Kinda wish they move on from Horizon tbh.

lukasmain1128d ago

They are probably working on mutiple projects. One of them is Horizon 3, but another is a multiplaer game and probably somehting else.

Imalwaysright1128d ago

There were rumours that they were working on a Socom reboot.

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Killzone 3 is playable with mouse & keyboard on PC via RPCS3 & KAMI

DSOGaming writes: "While Sony does not plan to release Killzone 3 on the PC, Yahfz shared a video that gives us a glimpse at what such a PC version could look like."

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bouzebbal1879d ago

Still looks secure 2 gens later... one of my favorite ps3 moments. With 3D and move the game is on another level

MadLad1879d ago

PC almost always ends up the best place to play games, even if it takes a while.

What would you rather play decades down the line? A game at a fixed resolution and frame, considering you have a working disc, and the hardware?
Or run it on an emulator that can update the experience all around, and let you use whatever control input you prefer?

If you insist on the former, it's really only for the sake of nostalgia.

Applejack1879d ago

I disagree. The main draw for consoles has always be the simplicity of just putting the disc in / downloading it and playing without worrying about anything else. The average person just wouldn’t want to deal with emulation even though it’s very important for preservation.

Terry_B1879d ago

Even emulators are super simple to use.

jukins1879d ago

Youre getting flak because people on here thibk of themselves as pc wizards. But honestly most poeple try and go get emulators and romz they end up with malware.. yes theyre "easy" if you know the basics but alot of people dont. That said the fact that its taken nearly 20 years to get a sustantially better experience for ps3 games than on its native system shows the complexity of getting bc to work. Sony, if they have any intention, should just invest in a vastly better psnow experience.

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jukins

Most people who emulate don't get malware, you'd have to be going to some weird sites for that to happen, heck years ago people were getting sketchier ad's resulting in malware warning on this site if you didn't have a ad-blocker lol.

SinkingSage1878d ago

Can't get malware if you legally dump your own games, which you should.

Rachel_Alucard1878d ago (Edited 1878d ago )

That's fine if that's the main draw, but it doesn't make it a better experience, just a preference. Having the freedom to do the things you can do on PC is what the appeal of PC is. Buying a game on PC means you never have to worry about the console makers just deciding the next hardware shouldn't support the generation anymore, which means everything you bought is stuck on that hardware instead of moving up with everything else. Nintendo uses this tactic to keep reselling the same games over and over at inflated prices. Sony cut all previous gens off the PS4 and sold it back to people in a poor attempt with PSnow. While the PS5 supports PS4 games, that may not be the case in the next gen after this. No to mention shutting off all the previous stores and updates completely. Even MS stopped making new BC titles at some point, so now there's a big list with 17 pages of titles that are not playable on Xbone and are just trapped on older gen. That's not a problem on PC, the reverse happens where you only have to worry if your hardware can play the newest releases at ultra with no issue.

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AzubuFrost1879d ago

Shhh don't say that aloud! You're going to trigger a lot of console infidels here.

Shane Kim1879d ago

I rather play it when it's available then wait 10 years.

MadLad1878d ago

Did you purposely miss the entire point of my post?

Inverno1879d ago

Well that's the beauty of still owning a retro console tho. Those who usually complain about emulation are just being blindly loyal to a company. Emulation is great for many reason, but if I still owned the console then I disagree nothing beats plugging it back in and going down a nostalgia trip

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RevXM1879d ago

The RPCS3 devs are doing great work. And Kami works nicely with it too it seems.
Very neat.

Magatsuhi1879d ago

Been playing mgo on pc with mouse. It's not perfect but I can make it work.

Binarycode1878d ago

2 is the better game.

A Remake would be good. 60fps 2-4k

Omar3li1878d ago

60fps is peasant for FPS games now

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