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Why Kinect and Move may fail

One thing that has become very apparent over the past few months is that there is very big rift in the gaming industry between the core consumer and the industry. Sony and Microsoft have both taken a que from Nintendo's Wii and declared motion controls to be the future. But do gamers really want motion controls?

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omodis4205782d ago

The article makes a decent point. But I really see Move doing well because Sony wants it to play both casual and hardcore. It will be interesting to see how Sony market move. If they ever do! YOU HEAR ME SONY!

AAACE55782d ago

They wont fail! Each one will appeal to a different audience. Most of you may hate one of them, but no one knows what people will find interesting.

1Victor5782d ago

people or the site specify witch examiner .com it is that the article coming from because this guy is a good example of whats wrong with gaming news this gen wile the Atlanta guy is a good example of how it should be impartial and letting the reader decide for them selves .

Why o why5782d ago (Edited 5782d ago )

They are very different approaches to the same crowd BUT the actually products are different and have different potentials. Its a possibility that only one may fail. These articles are a tad annoying.

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Yeah i can see that, but its obvious both company's are using different approaches. e3 kinda showed us that. They may fail on their own merits NOT because they are going after the same market but because they are different products altogether. Controller-less vs controlled. Super casual vs core, casual and wii portable. So yeah they can fail but not for the same reasons imo

The_Zeitgeist5782d ago

The article is not saying they will fail. Rather it is saying why they could fail.

TheWarmth5782d ago

The only one that will fail is Move. Kinect is going to appeal to the Wii crowd that want more from their games. As opposed to crappy shovel ware.

Cenobia5782d ago (Edited 5782d ago )

So where in the stuff that MS has shown do you see the "more". So far we've seen Wii retreads including sports and fitness. I don't see why the Wii crowd will rebuy the same thing.

In my opinion the Wii crowd is a terrible target audience because they've already done the "move around to play a video game" thing and I don't think they'll be that interested in buying the same thing again. Kinectimals is really all MS has to sell them so far anyway.

Move has the potential to not "fail" because they are targeting both the casuals who don't own a PS3 and their core market. They are looking to expand the way in which games are played. Move is also being sold at a profit, which Kinect probably won't be.

Kinect will probably sell more (just because of MS marketing), but since its most likely being sold at a loss they're going to actually have to sell a crap ton of those casual games they've been showing.

Omega45782d ago (Edited 5782d ago )

Kinect will do fine with MS's massive ad campaign, unlike Move, Kinect can live along side a Wii cause they are so different. I don't see any Wii owner wanting to pick up Move if they already got a Wii, especially not for $399+, MS hasn't revealed pricing but im betting the bundle will be $299 max.

Jay5205782d ago

I don't see any wii owner wanting to pick up kinect if they already got, especially not for $299+. Why would they waste money for games already on the wii.

As for move, wii owners don't have to buy it, It can do fine selling to the existing userbase. Can't say the same for Kinect.

Hope you have fun with kinectimals. I know I'll enjoy move.

Ju5782d ago

Maybe. Kinect will bring gamers over from the Wii; and Sony will Move gamers over from the 360. I can see that, yes.

Why o why5782d ago

but the wii+ and even the wii is more versatile and accurate than kinect....they're casual not dumb

n4gno5782d ago

Omegafanboy forget to mention that move is perfect wiimote with hd games, on the superior hardware + eye toy kinect like....kinect, it's just eye toy +.

IneedWeed5781d ago

I think people that have a Wii and is looking for a High Def console, will see the PS3 looking pretty good. They can watch blu-rays, play good exclusives and play the much more accurate and upgraded PS Move games that they wish the Wii could've done. You can get a PS3 Slim for $220 brand new (last time I checked) and an extra $100 PS Move Bundle is overall pretty cheap. The Wii owners will realize how much better PS3 is in versatility and power.

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Fishy Fingers5782d ago

I'm sure both will do fine, especially with new comers to their respective brands.

Dont see that many of the current "hardcore" users of either picking them up though, especially Kinects unless they start showing something more suited to the demographic.

raztad5782d ago

Funny. Omega is the Patcher of N4G.

MOVE has a lot of potential, so precise it could be finally be used to play RTS, point and click games on a console.

The_Zeitgeist5782d ago

Move has a lot of potential but how will Sony market it.

Spenok5782d ago

Kevin Butlet of course.

Ju5782d ago (Edited 5782d ago )

Subtle.

"Game [X] supports Move". Happened already without big marketing coin.

Maybe the technology sells itself. Sometimes what works can be very convincing.

Can't believe, for example, that Sony's wallet was bigger than MS's to get Move support in RUSE and not Kinect...

Somehow they managed to convince developers to support Move with not much effort. Maybe because - for a change - it easy to implement ?

jneul5782d ago

yeah and RUSE is one of them games that supports move and not kinect

Nike5782d ago

@jneul: Did you even know about RUSE before the Move support was announced?

Ju5782d ago

Can't speak for jneul, but I certainly did. Demo on PC (or Beta or what that was through Steam). Nice game, has potential. Was hoping for an RTS with Move support and surprised when they announced it. Didn't like mouse nor controller support in the game, hope Move will change that

I can see it, RTS played from the couch without breaking my fingers. Looking forward to it. (Somebody should patch Endwar).

jneul5781d ago

actually I heard about it, but was not bothered about it until it got move support as I have tried to play RTS games on my ps3 using dualshock, but it is awkward, now that we essentially have a 3d mouse I will definitely be getting RTS games

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio12d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing12d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9212d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit12d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing12d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9212d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted15d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8515d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele14d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk14d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay14d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10115d ago (Edited 15d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit14d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg14d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10114d ago (Edited 14d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14914d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay14d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn215d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn214d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown14d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay14d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay14d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac14d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger15d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300015d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde14d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde14d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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