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Why Kinect and Move may fail

One thing that has become very apparent over the past few months is that there is very big rift in the gaming industry between the core consumer and the industry. Sony and Microsoft have both taken a que from Nintendo's Wii and declared motion controls to be the future. But do gamers really want motion controls?

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omodis4205702d ago

The article makes a decent point. But I really see Move doing well because Sony wants it to play both casual and hardcore. It will be interesting to see how Sony market move. If they ever do! YOU HEAR ME SONY!

AAACE55702d ago

They wont fail! Each one will appeal to a different audience. Most of you may hate one of them, but no one knows what people will find interesting.

1Victor5702d ago

people or the site specify witch examiner .com it is that the article coming from because this guy is a good example of whats wrong with gaming news this gen wile the Atlanta guy is a good example of how it should be impartial and letting the reader decide for them selves .

Why o why5702d ago (Edited 5702d ago )

They are very different approaches to the same crowd BUT the actually products are different and have different potentials. Its a possibility that only one may fail. These articles are a tad annoying.

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Yeah i can see that, but its obvious both company's are using different approaches. e3 kinda showed us that. They may fail on their own merits NOT because they are going after the same market but because they are different products altogether. Controller-less vs controlled. Super casual vs core, casual and wii portable. So yeah they can fail but not for the same reasons imo

The_Zeitgeist5702d ago

The article is not saying they will fail. Rather it is saying why they could fail.

TheWarmth5702d ago

The only one that will fail is Move. Kinect is going to appeal to the Wii crowd that want more from their games. As opposed to crappy shovel ware.

Cenobia5702d ago (Edited 5702d ago )

So where in the stuff that MS has shown do you see the "more". So far we've seen Wii retreads including sports and fitness. I don't see why the Wii crowd will rebuy the same thing.

In my opinion the Wii crowd is a terrible target audience because they've already done the "move around to play a video game" thing and I don't think they'll be that interested in buying the same thing again. Kinectimals is really all MS has to sell them so far anyway.

Move has the potential to not "fail" because they are targeting both the casuals who don't own a PS3 and their core market. They are looking to expand the way in which games are played. Move is also being sold at a profit, which Kinect probably won't be.

Kinect will probably sell more (just because of MS marketing), but since its most likely being sold at a loss they're going to actually have to sell a crap ton of those casual games they've been showing.

Omega45702d ago (Edited 5702d ago )

Kinect will do fine with MS's massive ad campaign, unlike Move, Kinect can live along side a Wii cause they are so different. I don't see any Wii owner wanting to pick up Move if they already got a Wii, especially not for $399+, MS hasn't revealed pricing but im betting the bundle will be $299 max.

Jay5205702d ago

I don't see any wii owner wanting to pick up kinect if they already got, especially not for $299+. Why would they waste money for games already on the wii.

As for move, wii owners don't have to buy it, It can do fine selling to the existing userbase. Can't say the same for Kinect.

Hope you have fun with kinectimals. I know I'll enjoy move.

Ju5702d ago

Maybe. Kinect will bring gamers over from the Wii; and Sony will Move gamers over from the 360. I can see that, yes.

Why o why5702d ago

but the wii+ and even the wii is more versatile and accurate than kinect....they're casual not dumb

n4gno5702d ago

Omegafanboy forget to mention that move is perfect wiimote with hd games, on the superior hardware + eye toy kinect like....kinect, it's just eye toy +.

IneedWeed5701d ago

I think people that have a Wii and is looking for a High Def console, will see the PS3 looking pretty good. They can watch blu-rays, play good exclusives and play the much more accurate and upgraded PS Move games that they wish the Wii could've done. You can get a PS3 Slim for $220 brand new (last time I checked) and an extra $100 PS Move Bundle is overall pretty cheap. The Wii owners will realize how much better PS3 is in versatility and power.

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Fishy Fingers5702d ago

I'm sure both will do fine, especially with new comers to their respective brands.

Dont see that many of the current "hardcore" users of either picking them up though, especially Kinects unless they start showing something more suited to the demographic.

raztad5702d ago

Funny. Omega is the Patcher of N4G.

MOVE has a lot of potential, so precise it could be finally be used to play RTS, point and click games on a console.

The_Zeitgeist5702d ago

Move has a lot of potential but how will Sony market it.

Spenok5702d ago

Kevin Butlet of course.

Ju5702d ago (Edited 5702d ago )

Subtle.

"Game [X] supports Move". Happened already without big marketing coin.

Maybe the technology sells itself. Sometimes what works can be very convincing.

Can't believe, for example, that Sony's wallet was bigger than MS's to get Move support in RUSE and not Kinect...

Somehow they managed to convince developers to support Move with not much effort. Maybe because - for a change - it easy to implement ?

jneul5702d ago

yeah and RUSE is one of them games that supports move and not kinect

Nike5702d ago

@jneul: Did you even know about RUSE before the Move support was announced?

Ju5702d ago

Can't speak for jneul, but I certainly did. Demo on PC (or Beta or what that was through Steam). Nice game, has potential. Was hoping for an RTS with Move support and surprised when they announced it. Didn't like mouse nor controller support in the game, hope Move will change that

I can see it, RTS played from the couch without breaking my fingers. Looking forward to it. (Somebody should patch Endwar).

jneul5702d ago

actually I heard about it, but was not bothered about it until it got move support as I have tried to play RTS games on my ps3 using dualshock, but it is awkward, now that we essentially have a 3d mouse I will definitely be getting RTS games

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That’s It, I’m Calling It, Xbox Is Dead, Time Of Death February 20

If you read Kotaku even semi-regularly, you already know that Xbox has been in a weird spot for some time now. And with today’s news that both Xbox boss Phil Spencer and President Sarah Bond are leaving and the new head of the brand will be a former Meta exec who previously lead Microsoft’s AI division, I think it’s time to call it. Xbox is dead. Time of death: February 20, 2026

beerhound5h ago

"The report of my death was an exaggeration." = Mark Twain

beerhound5h ago

"The report of my death was an exaggeration." - Mark Twain

Zerobalance4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

God! Xbox dead again! Boring! Boring. Heard it all before.

InUrFoxHole3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

While I normally agree... The future of xbox is on shaky ground. Well, xbox as we know it. Im not sure what they are shooting for but who they put in charge mixed with Phil retiring and bond just flat out leaving. It's not looking good.

Levii_924h ago

Oh come on, Xbox has been dead for at least 10 years now. I think what’s more important right now is Playstation’s death that is very slowly but surely happening through mismanagement and greed.

InUrFoxHole3h ago

Some what agree. Sony is in a better position to unf#$k themselves. Xbox isn't.

ocelot072h ago

I actually agree sooner Hust is gone the better.

Grilla1h ago

Delusional take, why do xbots always project Xbox’s problems onto PlayStation?

The_Blue3h ago

This is why the views and comments are low, with lame articles that use divide-and-conquer pretensions.

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Microsoft has revoked the DMCA takedown that forced an indie Minecraft-like off Steam

Microsoft claimed the indie game uses "Minecraft content."

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PS5 Sales Pass 92.2 Million Units, Beating Nintendo Switch 2 in the Holiday Quarter

Sony announced its financial results for the third quarter of fiscal year 2025, alongside the traditional update on PS5 shipments.

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italiangamer16d ago

Sony and Nintendo are both thriving and I'm happy, thank goodness for them or otherwise the whole gaming industry would be in shambles if they only had PC to rely on!

dveio16d ago

• Total G&NS revenue: 10.5 billion USD
• Operating profit: 900 million USD
• Hardware sales: 8M units shipped
• Software sales: 97M units
• PSN MAU: 132M

vs. Xbox:

• Total gaming revenue: 5.96 billion USD
• nothing else gets reported

__y2jb16d ago

Xbox operating costs are without a doubt eye wateringly high, way way way higher than Sony. GP is costing them an absolute fortune to operate.

Tapani15d ago

That is a very solid operating profit. It's not net, obviously, but still a very healthy amount of cash you make after cost of debt and taxes (+ other expenses), and can invest into R&D and future endeavours. And give back to your shareholders or buy back shares.

DivineHand12516d ago

It would be in Sony's beat interest to not rush next generation. Let 2029 or 2030 be the start of next generation. There is clearly plenty of demand for the PS5 and gamers are not asking for more at this time.

S2Killinit16d ago

Yup especially with the price of tech going up. They already have the PRO to hold them over.

__y2jb16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Exactly this. Let Xbox wither on the vine for a couple more years and there will be nothing left.

fr0sty16d ago

I fully agree for 2 reasons:

1. Microsoft seems to be in a hurry to release the new Xbox, if they do at all... AMD speculates a 2027 release. This will hurt them in the long run, because:

2. Datacenters are buying up ALL the RAM, and some RAM manufacturers have stopped making RAM for consumer products entirely, while the other remaining ones are scared to ramp up their production capacity to make more RAM because they're worried this whole AI thing is a bubble that is about to pop, and they don't want to be caught holding the bag when it does pop. So, for now, it costs $300-400 for 32GB of DDR5. That's the MSRP for some entire consoles.

If Microsoft drops the new Xbox now, it's going to cost them a fortune. If Sony holds their cards a moment and lets PS5 cook for a while, as it's showing no signs whatsoever of slowing down in sales, then by the time PS6 is ready to drop, RAM prices should have stabilized, allowing Sony to devote much more of their budget towards making PS6's CPU and GPU more powerful, in addition to the tech itself maturing and the available CPU and GPU parts being much more powerful for the same price point than they would be if released today. So, we'd get a super powerful PS6 in say, 2029, that won't have to cost $700-800. They speculate, based on the current specs, that the new Xbox will cost north of $1,000, and that was before the RAM shortage came into the picture. It's definitely going to be even higher now that RAM costs so much.

MS will be shooting themselves in the foot (again) if they try to drop a new Xbox now, and Sony would be wise to capitalize on that mistake by holding their cards a while longer, raking in more of those PS5 profits, and then dropping a new console as soon as the hardware market stabilizes from this AI datacenter BS.

darthv7216d ago

7 years is a hurry...? Its the same amount of time between XBO and series. The same amount of time between PS3 to PS4 and PS4 to PS5. The 360 was 8 years between it and XBO.

If they do release first, and then Sony a year or two later... is it not possible for prices to come down in that time?

repsahj16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

I think Switch 2 beat PS5 during December 2025 that is why the gap decrease to 1m units. Because during black friday, I know PS5 sales is 2:1 against the Switch 2.

And I just want to add that the PlayStation 5 is currently 1.94 million units BEHIND the PlayStation 4 when you align launches. While Switch 2 is 10M ahead against the Switch 1 when you aligned covering it's first 7 months.

S2Killinit16d ago

I think you are forgetting to mention the chip shortages for PS5.

salis84416d ago (Edited 16d ago )

No one wants the Switch 2 to do badly.

PS5 being less than 2m behind PS4 is not a big deal; PS5 had to deal with COVID and ongoing supply and pricing struggles that clearly still exist today. Sales of software are incredibly strong, and the size of the community is bigger than its ever been.

PS5 is well on pace to exceed its early (2021) estimates of 110m by end of life even if that's 2027. PS5 will hit 100m before November and then sell another 6-8M in November + December.

PS5 is doing great, and so is Switch 2, it's good for everyone that they succeed, pitting the two against each other is more damaging than anything related to the sales of the two consoles individually.

repsahj16d ago

"No one wants the Switch 2 to do badly."

majority on this site tells otherwise.

Dexterio16d ago

@repsahj
Yup because they’ve been the anti consumer they are for so long and needs to be humbled 😆

CrashMania16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

I'd be lying if I said I didn't regret my purchase a bit. I mainly bought it for Mario Kart World, but I find it pales in comparison to 8. I'm annoyed that Nintendo charged money for a super barebones 'upgrade' to Jamboree, no new minigames? No new boards? Just some gimmicky low res camera mode. Oh and Midtroid Prime 4 let me down as well, yet to go back and finish it.

I don't want the Switch 2 to fail, it's contributing to a healthier console market with the death of xbox consoles. I'll get use out of mine long term, but some of Nintendo's decisions like the ones above just annoy me lol.

jznrpg16d ago

@respahj the only thing I want Nintendo to badly is the 80$ games so they lower the price.

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