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Why Microsoft “Won” E3 2010

Before I get into this, let me just say that in my mind, and as a gamer, Microsoft did not "win" E3. What they presented was interesting, but for the post part, what I saw did not appeal to me that much. Kinect was neat, and I'd love to get my hands on one, but I'm not going to be too disappointed if I don't. The non-Kinect games they showed off were hardly new, and I didn't really get super excited for anything they presented. In my eyes, Microsoft's presentation was not fit for E3.

Too bad what I thought of E3 does not at all matter. Microsoft wins E3 because one thing and one thing alone- Kinect. Stick with me, I promise I'm going somewhere with this.

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Carlton Banks5834d ago

They angered the hardcore and bored the casuals, no they didnt win E3.

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Lionhead5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

Yeah PS3 seems poised to outsell 360 this holiday season WORLDWIDE.

Europe will absolutely eat up Gran Turismo 5.

Edit: Awww 360 fangirls are annoyed with my comment.

Anarki5834d ago

PS3 sales are going to skyrocket with Gran Turismo 5. Sony best sort out their supply issue before then other wise they're going to lose potential sales.

CWMR5834d ago

I bet you guys anything that sales of GT5 will not be as great as some of you are claiming. Oh make no mistake about it, they will be good, but don't automatically assume they are going to be as good as sales of past titles.

There is a lot more competition in the market now for that genre. I think it will obviously help the PS3 move some units, but it needs that just to counter act the impact Halo Reach will have. Then you have the new 360 S, Kinect, and some other great games, so you would have to be really fooling yourselves if you think Sony has this holliday in the bag.

sikbeta5834d ago

@CWMR

Why is that dude? you're prying to God or something, maybe you don't know this cos maybe this the First Gen for ya, but GT Series sell Like Crazy, I know you can't deal with it and make you sad, but you have to face the Truth pal, GT Series have Fans all over the world, there are people that buy PS Consoles just to Play this Game, there are Fanatics that already have a PS3 but they'll buy a GT5 Bundle cos they're REAL Fanatics, Europe & Japan will LOVE it, there is nothing you can do against that, so Deal With it...

No Way5834d ago

Maybe it has something to do with, PS3 fans always say "this game gonna sell 100000 million copies, you jus wait and see!" but never happened.

The PS3 doesn't have as much sells for the PS3 like the PS1&2.

Primetimebt5834d ago

@CWMR

Gran Turmiso has been the top selling PS game since well forever.. The Demo alone with a small install base when it was released sold 5 million worldwide thats more than most XBOX 360 games.

MNicholas5834d ago

GT5 will do well in Europe but it will also do well in Japan and the US.

Kinect/Natal has been a dismal failure. The reason is the fake videos they've been releasing.

The videos promised Milo and we got a laggy Wii-sports ripoff. They promised individual finger recognition to control integrated webapps and in reality it's too imprecise to identify finger movements.

Typical Microsoft. Over-promise and under-deliver. The entertainment division has been a real drag on profitability. Thank god for the PC side of the business.

N4PS3Fanboys5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

Kinect has been a dismal failure? LMFAO! It has been in the top 5 on the Amazon bestseller list (currently at #1) for days now, with a placeholder price of $150 and before Microsoft's gigantic ad campaign has even started. In comparison, the PS Move starter pack is somewhere in the 30s on the list.

Kinect is going to push 360 sales way past the PS3 and right through the roof. The gap between the two consoles will probably go up from 4 million to at least 6 million by the end of this year.

GarandShooter5834d ago

@ CWMR

Halo Reach will not have the hardware impact Halo 3 had. I would bet that GT5 will push more hardware than Reach, simply for the fact it's the first proper GT title this generation.

Now Kinect is another story. MS may have played their hand well with the broadcast of their E3 conference on MTV to reach the casual audience normally unaware of E3.

Should be an interesting holiday season.

MNicholas5834d ago

Microsoft has been manipulating it for years.

Most people don't even know "Kinect" exists. Yet magically it's number one on Amazon? Give me a break.

It's no coincidence that Kinect, Live and the 360 Slim are 1,2,3 on Amazon.

Microsoft is betting the farm on Kinect. They've given away 360s. They're paying celebrities to say "your body is the controller." The're putting up fake demo (Milo) after fake demo (Forza 4). They're even buying large quantities of their own products on Amazon.

They're basically throwing around massive amounts of money to give the impression that people want their products in the hope that someone will actually want to pay $500 for Kinect ($150), Live ($50), and a 360 Slim ($300).

kancerkid5834d ago

@MNicholas

Do you have Proof, or are you just pulling stuff out of your rectum?

Aquanox5834d ago

http://www.amazon.com/gp/be...

It isn't even out, and it doesn't even has an official price. Kinect and Xbox 360 Slim are a massive win already. Sony guys should stop talking about sales right now and stick to software because the Xbox 360 Slim and Kinect (And Halo) are poised to obliterate everything in their way this year. Gt5 included.

Rainstorm815834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

Thats the only thing i hate about x360 and its fans.

Sales, Halo, Gears, Sales, Halo, Gears, Sales, Halo, Gears, Sales, Halo, Gears,...oops lets slip in COD for good measure.....repeat

MS doesnt care as clearly shown at E3 they know what the fans will eat up and they stick to it without even trying to give you something new..............Even funnier where the hell were all you guys that are prasing amazon stats, right after MS press conf, the 360 fanboy camp was awfully quiet until the Amazon news surfaced.

Now we will see all the 360 fans going casual.......Bcuz it sells!!!

First it was about Games, then Sales, now casual motion games.....all you amazon guys enjoy Kinectimals

Lionhead5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

lol @ Aquanox

" Xbox 360 Slim and Kinect (And Halo) are poised to obliterate everything in their way this year. Gt5 included."

Get your own material

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OneSneakyMofo5834d ago

They bought everyone with free 360s. Simply put.

Redgehammer5834d ago

presumption that everyones character and integrity can be swayed by receiving gifts is somewhat naive. If you would have been swayed to love MS's press briefing by being given a gift then that is on you.

Information Minister5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

If the audience at MS's conference were even remotely concerned about their character and integrity, they wouldn't have accepted the "gift". By accepting it, they've opened themselves to criticism and to the questioning of their judgments.

Imagine if at the World Cup in South Africa, the Italian coach came up to every referee and offered him the keys to a brand new Ferrari. "We're not trying to influence your judgment, we just want you to have a souvenir from Italy."

MNicholas5834d ago

for the sake of charity.

They did it to buy good reviews, coverage and hype.

Redgehammer5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

Information Minister, I have to disagree. Using the world cup is a poor analogy, imo. Bribing people, whose fair and impartial judgement is an integral part and fundamental foundation to the game being played fairly, is not the same as giving out a new version of a console to people that can't wait to dissect and then disseminate their information to a rabid gamer fan base. I am sure you have seen all the articles that show the new 360 disassembled and the inner workings revealed prior to it being available to purchase by the gaming consumer, and that wouldn't have happened if the "dishonest and sleazy" journalists declined to accept the so-called bribe. However, I am not so altruistic or naive to believe that it's impossible for a person to be swayed by receiving something gratis. I just refuse to believe that's the rule and not the exception.

Information Minister5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

Oh my friend, but fair and impartial judgment is precisely what's at stake here. MS offered the systems to the members of the press individually, not to the outlets they work for. Those will eventually get their own debug units, capable of reading preview code.

Microsoft's action clearly reads as an attempt to influence media coverage of their conference. We will never know if the people who attended it were successfully swayed, or rather how many of them were swayed. But because nobody refused the "gift", one has to suspect and doubt of all of them.

We rely on the media to tell us what deserves our attention and our money. And how can we trust them if they don't have... Fair-play. (See what I did there?)

Redgehammer5833d ago (Edited 5833d ago )

I see what you did, you responded with intelligence and without vitriol and for that have a bubble.
I do realize that it is impossible for one such as myself (who in my 40 years of life has seen integrity and honesty where you would least expect it to reside) to subscribe to the notion that people are as simple as black and white. The preponderance of articles I have read clearly put MS in 3rd place at E3, a position that it would seem should be higher if people had been truly cajoled into praising MS because they were given something for free. I am reticent to believe that people with true beliefs, thoughts, and most importantly a job to do would subjugate all of those things because they were given a free xbox.
If G4 (et al) is to be believed, then E3 is filled with some outstanding swag, and from what I understand the purpose of swag is to get a companies product or message out, as well as influence the opinions of the people receiving said swag. I argue that all Microsoft did was give out one hell of a piece of swag, but if what I am inferring from you Information Minister is accurate, then a journalist that accepts free gifts from a company is precluded from reporting without bias. If that is the case should we collectively dismiss the veracity of everything that has come out of E3? I don't think so. I am willing to accept that there will always be some people, whose thoughts and opinions can be purchased; but I vehemently reject any notion that places that type of person in the majority.

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Ryudo5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

I tried to understand the comments here but all I could really take from them was "Gobel gobel gobel I love your big manly ____ Sony gobel gobel gobel"

It's beyond me why anyone even posts 360 news on this site anymore, Hell I think the 360 sucks and Nintendo destroyed everyone this year but seriously...

You PS3 Fanboys make me ashamed to own a PS3 I mean wow is this the sorta morons the playstation brand breads...

Anyway enjoy slamming disagree and reporting me for trolling, you wouldn't be lying I am trolling just like the rest of you. Only difference is my comment will get deleted why your troll posts remain.

RememberThe3575834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

I bought a PS3 and a 360 for the games not for the fanboys. You think that the PS3 is the only system that breads blind fanboys? It's not a console but a type of person. You can't realize that yet you call others moronic?

To call out one group of fanboys while leaving the other groups unmentioned is narrow minded and only serve to make you look like a fanboy yourself.

And I love the edit as if your being some how righteous for making offensive narrowminded comments...

Ryudo5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

Am sorry I can't see any other fanboys here would you mind pointing them out r-tard so I can flame them as well?

And I love your stealth figgotry pretending your not just a massive PS3 Fanboy yourself.

Anyways thanks for correcting my troll post how about you go and sort out the other 18 troll posts here? O wait I forgot double standards my bad.

CWMR5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

Oh, we're going to play this game again?, RememberThe357

Sheesh, it's obvious to anyone with an ounce of cognitive powers that PS3 fanboys are the most rabid and the most numerous fanboys on the net. It's undeniable. Anybody that has spent any time on any of the game sites on the net knows this as an inescapable fact of reality.

To try to claim that Wii fanboys, or even 360 fanboys, are as rabid or fanatical is simply to deny common sense and the obvious reality that everyone of us knows to be true.

Edit: RememberThe357
I wasn't really talking about you. From what I remember you seem to be one of the more reasonable PS3 fans. What I take issue with is this absurd politically correct sort of attitude that all fanboys are the same. People try to push that crap all the time and it's simply not true. There is no way any sensible person can say that Wii fanboys, for example, are as bad as PS3 fanboys. So, if that isn't true, then the whole premise of that argument that all fanboys are the same is obviously false. It makes people feel good to say that all fanboy groups are exactly the same--especially those that fall into the PS3 camp--but we shouldn't deny reality just because it doesn't always feel good.

RememberThe3575834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

I have never hidden the fact that I prefer my PS3. But preferring one console over an other doesn't make me a fanboy. If you wanna get all butt hurt because people think MS had a crappy presser go cry in a corner.

You seem rather hurt by all this, calling me an "r-tard" and everyone else a moron. Calm down this is just a comment section of a video game website. I'd hate to see how hurt you get reading youtube comments.

From what I've read around the internet most 360 fans were disappointed by the MS press conference. If most people were disappointing by the conference and they don't agree with the author why wouldn't they leave their comments about that in the comment section?

Your nerd rage is baffling.

CWMR: lol I'm getting it from all angels. You can think what you want but I thought for me to be a Sony fanboy I'd have to hate the 360? What exactly do I say that make me a PS3 fanboy? Is it because I wasn't impressed with Kinect? Is it because I don't play my Wii at all? No bullshit, I'd really like to know.

@Ryudo: Damn, now I'm a troll too? I don't remember saying anything inflammatory enough to warrant remembering. Sorry for apparently hurting your feelings guys, I was just voicing my opinion.

Boody-Bandit5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

to see you have issues.
I love your whole "I have the other consoles but they just collect dust and I mostly game on my PS3 so I can honestly say blah, blah, blah, blah, blah PS3 fanboys this, PS3 fanboys that. This place is nothing but PS3 fanboys. Like we haven't heard this same played out BS a million times before on N4G.

You are so filled with venom in nearly everyone of your post. Are you like that in real life or do you just play an Ahole online? Either way, why bother posting at all if you have nothing to offer other than ignorance and futility?

Seriously man, why do you sound so angry in nearly everyone of your post? If being on N4G or reading replies from N4G members upset you that much, why bother dropping by and replying at all? There is a shit load that I don't care for on N4G. I simply just move on to the next article or ignore those people I don't care for. It's not really that big a deal.

I might respond to 1 out of 100 people I want to because I know the other 99 is would be a waste of my time (fallen on deaf ears) to bother replying to. Those people are just here to get attention or stir the pot and are not real gamers.

msbabie200345834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

357 get off his nuts dude, i myself have seen you post sony fanboyish comments on this site numerous times. just like this dude said, you got double standards, because i NEVER see YOU say sh1t to your fellow ps3 cronies on here.

i think ms did well at e3, why, because look at all the buzz they have caused. you sony fanboys refer to that "buzz" i speak of as hype, and that's true, and that's exactly what MICROSOFT wanted.

get consumers attention. it just amazes me still that the ps3 fanboys on this site are so "narrow minded" that they honestly think n4g= the world.

seriously, i can't for the life of me believe some of you ps3 idiots on here really believe the sh1t you spout. ps3 isn't ANYWHERE near in numbers compared to the ps2 or ps1. sorry.

like i said the purpose of e3 is to accomplish EXACTLY WHAT MICROSOFT DID. not saying the others didn't as well, but look at what is talked about more?

oh and btw you can pm me and i'll get back to you with my psn, or LIVE name whichever you prefer. im a fan of sony, well a fan of gaming in general, i think some of you place candles around ya ps3's at night, get on ya knees, and say crazy sh1t to it-

im not like that with any piece of plastic.

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cool cole5834d ago

Ya, Microsoft's conference was a complete failure in so many ways.

tinybigman5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

im sorry the natal (wont call it by new name) part was horrible.

lightningsax5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

The article's argument is awful. I'd quote here, but it's too long.

Basically, in the paragraph starting "Think back to about four years ago," the author argues that our opinions of Nintendo's Wii at the first E3 were just anger and disgust, and later they sold so many consoles! The same is now happening to Microsoft, according to him - "And now, Nintendo is quickly climbing back to the top of the gaming hierarchy with this year’s E3. Now everyone is thinking “NIntendo[sic] is all about gamers! Nintendo 4eva!” despite their previous thoughts." He then says that Microsoft will move to "real gaming" later on.

No, Demi, this isn't a case of our hypocrisy, this is a case of backwards thinking by Microsoft. There is a *distinct reason* why Nintendo went core this year. Despite heavy console sales, Nintendo's casual market doesn't go out of their way to buy games. To them, it's a toy. They kept up with the Joneses, thought what it could do was novel, and tossed it aside. There's a recession after all, and they're not dedicated gamers. Nintendo came back to the core this year because we actually buy good games when they're released. They have learned something. We stick around for the good stuff. They left as soon as the new-car smell left the console.

Plus, most were just slightly guarded about the business behind the Wii. Many journalists in the biggest magazines were looking forward to perfect motion control at the advent of Wii's release - it just didn't work for a while.

Enter Microsoft, looking like fools by adopting a four-year-old Nintendo philosophy that has changed since then, selling gritty shooters on the side, calling them "blockbuster games." No. Those are multiplayer shooters. That's it. They sell, but they're all in one little genre. Nintendo sells extremely huge amounts of a single title, and they're not throwing that term around. So, other than kids and steroid-laden shooters, what did they talk about? ESPN? And no mention of Child of Eden. No mention of any distinct XBLA title.

The only thing I can think of that isn't "This fails on ice" is that Microsoft is planning to move its core to a new system next year. There were hardly any plans for anything on 360 past this year aside from Kinect sales. If their core audience can't move to something new (games or consoles), they're going to move somewhere else.

Raz5834d ago

Oh, Microsoft...in denial again, are we?

Instinct_Gamer5834d ago

This author is numbskull, he's just trying to drum up some hits by saying crap he knows is untrue, kinda like Glen Beck. He really needs to work on his math, cause Wii is 200$ and Kinect and a 360 arcade is 300$. The "casuals" who care so much about money wouldn't pay more for kinect360. Kinect has yet to be proven to be more than just a laggy peripheral thats more of a gimmick. Have they showed all the "Minority Report" stuff I always hear fanboys harping about?
fanboys- "OMG Kinect, i cant wait to do teh Minority Report wif mi MP3's and use the voice recognition to say play and stop. i'll feel so cool wavin mi hands around and talking to a TV all nite lonng. Bets yet I play wif my mom, sister, and grandma wif the Kinectimalss and KinectWiisports"

beans5834d ago

At first I thought they lost until I watched the show a second time and started reading all the free publicity going around by fanboys. The reason they won E3 like last year is because there the only company people are talking about. Keep up the hate just like you all did on the Wii and you will see were I'm coming from. The word MS and Kinect are on the minds of everyone unlike Sony or Nintendo. Does anybody know if MS is still going to have a show this Sunday?

ShadowCK5834d ago

Spoken like a true fanboy who doesn't know what he's talking about! Did you even read the Article?

palaeomerus5834d ago

I hate to remind you but E3 is MOSTLY about the retailers and distributors.

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ClownBelt5834d ago

"Stick with me, I promise I'm going somewhere with this."

Nah..The moment you put Microsoft, E3 2010 and Won in the title,you've already lost where you were going.

beans5834d ago

Normally win someone loses they don't get talked about much. MS has won thanks to fanboys and media giving them free publicity. Kinect is on everybody's mind regardless which sounds like a win to me.

Cueil5834d ago

that pretty much nails it...

DigitalHorror815834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

Truer words haven't been spoken. Take it as gospel, folks. And don't mind 'beans', he hasn't taken his daily Beano.

cobraagent5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

They just gave you 299$ after boring you to hell. Thats how you win e3 and lose whats left of your dignity Good job MS, you have proven us once more how stupid people are

gynecologistcobra5834d ago

They didn't give me or anyone at the site $299. We weren't at the keynote.

cobraagent5834d ago

they bribed a lot of people. I wonder what the non gamers that happened to watch this at Times Square thought

Donny5834d ago

well said. bubbles for you.

cobraagent5834d ago

that i actually lost a bubble from that comment :(

palaeomerus5834d ago

Try reading the article you are supposedly responding to before you try unsuccessfully to be edgy and relevant with last Monday's cliche. Kay? THX.

mrv3215834d ago

By this logic Nintendo won E3 because it's Nintendo and EVERYONE at one point has wanted a DS, casual or hardcore... all Nintendo has to announce is that they will continue to be producing a Wii and it's pretty much guaranteed they'd outsell the competition.

gynecologistcobra5834d ago

Read the section about pricing. That's why it'll outsell the Wii. Price is EVERYTHING to casual non-gamers.

Aphe5834d ago

Outsell the wii? Now I know you're delusional. Seriously now, outsell the wii? That's not something I can see it doing. Not even close.

El_Colombiano5834d ago

Hahahaha!!!! Oh my God that is the absolute stupidest comment ever posted on N4G! 360 outselling the Wii? Get a life man!

bjornbear5834d ago

LMAO

how the hell do you work for a website?

stop polluting the internet with e-junk.

make a blog

ALFAxD_CENTAURO5834d ago (Edited 5834d ago )

¿You submit this article?

The Xbox 360 Fanboys are worse than PC, PS3 and Wii Fanboys combined, just reading the article.

sikbeta5834d ago

Outselling the wii?

I need to do this:

[ BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ]

Sorry, but that's maybe the Most Delusional piece of crap ever wrote in the comment section of N4G

And how that's (lol) it's going to happen?

With a $150 ADD-ON that make the exact same thing the wii does AND you're forgetting the Console to play with it, it's more easy to go buy a wii and play shovelware than pay more for 2 devices in order to play shovelware...

f7897905834d ago

Neither the PS3 or 360 are ever going to get NEAR the Wii's sales numbers. It's just like the PS2. It just keeps selling and selling.

palaeomerus5834d ago

30+ million is a HELL of a gap to overcome in the next few years. Don't be ridiculous.

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aviator1895834d ago

They probably didn't win E3 2010, but they probably did win over a large audience with Kinect. I mean, it's showing on Amazon's bestseller's list for the past few days. Kinect can't be an absolute failure. I know that my daughter and wife will eat this thing up when they get their hands on it this coming winter.

gynecologistcobra5834d ago

That's my point: they won because most people (hardcore is not the majority, guys.) will eat this thing up.

RememberThe3575834d ago

How many casuals do you think watched Microsoft's presser? You win E3 by winning over gamers not casuals. That is why Nintendo has lost so many years in a row and now blew everyone away; they didn't have what the gamers wanted until this year.

palaeomerus5834d ago

It's for:

1) retailers and distriubtors to decide what to stock and sell in the coming year

2) Press to be gulled into promoting upcoming initiatives from publishers

3) Developers to make some connections in other parts of the industry and try out each other's games to assess where the market is going in terms of content and technology

The press then brings SOME of E3 to the gamers (that follow it)so they can have stories to sell adds on their sites and in their magazines, but that's NOT what E3 is for. It's just one of the derivatives of E3.

PAX is for gamers.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio40d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing40d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9240d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit40d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing40d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9240d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay42d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn243d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn242d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown43d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay42d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay42d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac42d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger43d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300043d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde43d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde42d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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Agent7544d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_41d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.