Yep, PS3 motion controller completely destroys Wii Motion Plus. That tech demo was very impressive. If you notice, it registers even the tiniest shakes the hand has.

I don't think it's only about 1:1 motion control. I mean you need the eyetoy and the wands for it to work at all. That adds up and it won't be cheap. And another problem with the sony's controller and natal is that there isn't a numchuck-like attachment that allow movement through 3-D environments. You can only move as far as your room size.

^ Sony's controller has analog controls and digital buttons on em. They demonstrated analog use during the spray can scene. Now as for costs, the PSeye is $39.99 but some people say you can just use a regular usb camera. Add the wand, let's say it's $39.99 as well, then it sets you at ~$80. WiiMotion Plus according to ebgames costs $24.99. Now you can argue that "oh but we need to get the motionplus adapter only." If you take that to account, the PSmotion setup would cost $55 more. But then... say you needed new controllers as well as motionplus cuz for some reason your Wii didn't come with any controllers. You'd need the WiiMote ($39.99), Nunchuk ($19.99), and MotionPlus ($24.99). That's ~$85 right there.

You can still say it's cheaper than the PSmotion. If you need two motion pluses that's about $50. I think however though for the PSmotion, once you got the camera out of the way, you're just paying for each additional wand. While with the Wii option, if you're hoping to add another controller, you got to get the WiiMote, nunchuk, and MotionPlus to complete the setup.

Edit: I have to say though, I'm a little biased against Nintendo. After being suckered into getting several GBAs and adapter links just to play coop Final Fantasy on the GC, I've come to the conclusion that Nintendo likes to sell rehashes of old products and charge a bundle for accessories just to get the "real experience." Animal Crossing comes to mind. If they didn't bundle a memory card w/ that, it would've turned me off from that game.

@Syronicus
I dont know if you have done your homework but Wii MotionPlus is actually 1:1. The tech inside does this 100% of the time. Take a watch at the Invensense demo they released for motionplus like a year ago and you'll see exact 1:1. The Wii motionplus not being 1:1 in games is the developers fault not the tech.

The controller has buttons and a control stick

I'm not impressed. Perhaps the devs are not getting it right and for that I will continue to give it a chance but until they prove it is capable then I will still be skeptical.

But it's not all about money. It's also about the integrity of the company. And all of the major companies have had their share of embarrassing moments. Like Xbox's RROD's....PS3 and the home delays, as well as the PSP GO leak. It's embarrassing because Nintendo has had a three year advantage, and if Sony comes in and does the exact same thing or better, then that will look terrible on Nintendo, because they allowed the other companies in on their turf.

Yes it would be embarrassing but maybe you guys are forgetting some thing here. Motion+ works and it is 1:1 some game designer may limit you so that you can not go out side of their game rules but in the hands of a good designer it is 1:1.

Another thing is the Wii mote now has IR and motion and if you use them both right you can have full body beyond line of site movement. The main problem with SONy's design is line of sight period. Also it will be a lot easier to give a wii mote to some one and ask them to play then two glowing globes. Hopefully they can make some thing cooler than that.

Then you have the past record of the eye toy guy. His games where not all that great and I've seen the tech implemented way better than his sdks for even the PS3. Some thing tells me this is going to work like motion cature data that would actually slow down a game like killzone 2.

There is still one more thing that nintendo could use with the Wii mote that many of you have forgot about. I'm not saying what it is yet they may not even need it this gen because the motion+ is that good.

Another thing is how can you be embarrassed when they are only bragging right now? let them show some real games before you brag. That is what got sony into trouble with the cell.

So you can't really compare them like that. It is also the reason that sony's method may prove to be superior.

Then again, Sony guys did say they were working on this remote at the same time they were working on the PSEYE

Watch and learn.

http://lang.stanford.edu/co...

whats embarrasing is when a "full" wii controller package ends up being $80.

Yea according to the link Phosphor posted. Someone else posted the same video in several other topics before. Watch the whole thing and you'll see it seems that Sony's been having people developing motion controls a long while back. The guy even had the camera do head tracking. And the speaker guy did the headtracking before that other amateur guy who did it (the one that did it using WiiMotes and then PSEye) on the interwebz.

"You don't need that much......"

That's the same old Wii fanboy saying. Always settling for less.

"But how will submillimeter tracking improve my gaming experience?"

How will graphics help games? They are already "too realistic". Why would we need Blu-ray? Hell, cartridges were fine. Etc, etc...

Anyhow, if you really want an answer to that question, you WILL get it when the games come out. The developers will gladly answer that dumb question, and you'll realize why so much precision is needed for several games. Oh, and it doesn't sacrifice classic gaming functionality for new gaming functionality, it integrates both. That and the fact that it can also combine with Eyetoy functionality not available on Wii's motion sensor, not to mention Eyetoy's high resolution and PS3's added benefits that will never be found on Wii.

I didn't expect less from Xbox and Wii fanboys. Maybe if you weren't you'd have more credibility.

And by the way, there's no need for stupid add-ons on PS3's Wand, much less a cable in the middle of both sides of the controller that ruins the WIRELESS experience.

@Sidar:

You are a Wii fanboy, and the other guy is an Xbox fanboy. Oh, and if the fact that you own several consoles doesn't make you a fanboy, then I can't be a fanboy, as I own ALL platforms this gen, including DS, PSP, Wii, 360, PS3 and iPhone and my PC is capable of running Crysis.

There's nothing fanboyish about my response, I am simply saying I'm not surprised that the usual PS3 bashers/360 lovers (in the case of spoony) or the Wii apologists (in your case) are the ones saying "it's not needed", just like they said Blu-ray wasn't needed.

" How will graphics help games? They are already "too realistic". Why would we need Blu-ray? Hell, cartridges were fine. Etc, etc...

Anyhow, if you really want an answer to that question, you WILL get it when the games come out. The developers will gladly answer that dumb question, and you'll realize why so much precision is needed for several games. "

Again, he is just saying its being hyped for no good reason. If they just tell its 1:1 than thats enough, Its just like spoony said, A buzzword.

Don't talk about fanboys when you are one yourself.
And for your information i own a PS3 and Wii not a 360. Ignorance, HA!.

" much less a cable in the middle of both sides of the controller that ruins the WIRELESS experience."
Seriously, and you try to put people down as fanboys?

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""But how will submillimeter tracking improve my gaming experience?"

I can snipe with Precision now."

...Are you forgetting the IR functionality?

Sony needs that submillimeter tracking because there is no other way for them to cerate a simple cursor in games,other than that there is no real use for it and please don't argue with these idiots here,soon enough their wand will be the one "collecting dust" :P

"But how will submillimeter tracking improve my gaming experience?"

I can snipe with Precision now.

Haha Zuper if you think I'm a 360 fanboy you really a deluded fool.

"I can snipe with Precision now."

The Wii's IR bar is actually full 1:1 from your aiming and you can snipe perfectly with it but it does highlight an issue anyway as your hands don't stay perfectly still so you won't get sub-milliter accuracy anyway as your hand probably move more than a millimeter when you're aiming. Also you must have a lot of time to set up a sub-millimeter shot and in that time you're probably been shot five times in the head with less-than-sub-millimeter accuracy.

"You are a Wii fanboy, and the other guy is an Xbox fanboy. Oh, and if the fact that you own several consoles doesn't make you a fanboy, then I can't be a fanboy, as I own ALL platforms this gen, including DS, PSP, Wii, 360, PS3 and iPhone and my PC is capable of running Crysis. "
Wrong.

"There's nothing fanboyish about my response"
O really?
Wasn't it you who said:
- much less a cable in the middle of both sides of the controller that ruins the WIRELESS experience.-

This was just a pathetic attempt to bash something.
On top of that i wasn't bashing anything, so stop your own fanboyism hypocrite.

" (in the case of spoony) or the Wii apologists (in your case) are the ones saying "it's not needed""
I never said its not needed, i said it won't be used. You know its true. So before you call someone a "Fanboy" learn to read.

@spoony
"ut it does highlight an issue anyway as your hands don't stay perfectly still so you won't get sub-milliter accuracy anyway as your hand probably move more than a millimeter when you're aiming."

Exactly, this will frustrate developers and gamers in the end.
You will get way to much jitter in your aiming if its locked to sub-millimeter tracking. Hell Even the IR from the Wii-mote can be a pain in the ass if your hand is unstable for a sec.

Just because there are no games out now that require sub millimetre tracking doesn't mean there wont be in the future. You almost seem to be implying that 'sub millimetre' accuarcy is a bad thing, it's what is called progress, thats also why Nintendo brought out motion+ and Microsoft have developed Natal, progress.
If everyone thought the same way you do games systems would still use CD's, TV's would still be standard def, vacuum cleaners would still use bags and not use vortexes to seperate dust from the air !!! it's the natural progression of improvement.
In answer to your question though what about a shooter with sniper rifle ? trying to pull off head shots against small targets great distances away is going to require really precise accuarcy. If the tech is there devs will find ways to use it, ways to improve the game playing experience for us gamers.

gaffyh So if you think like the HD guys you get 3rd place?

Seriously disk space for games that fit on dvd even on a PC? That is only pushing blu ray. The graphics are not as good as they should be for the prices you are paying the HD stuff should all be $250 just because it is not really selling. Sony is not improving on any thing they are copying in an attempt to stay relevant.

ZuperAmazingCooKie Graphic are not too realistic bring your mother into the room and tell her you are watching a live action moive and she will laugh at you. I can boot up crysis and do the same thing and people say wow... HD console are not even close to that yet not matter how well you think they look.

Actualy solid state is still better and we will be going back to them soon. the whole point of optical disk where they where cheaper... well try buying a blu ray disk to record on then you can see why people may abandon the PS3 just because of that cost.

What is the credibility you speak of? You don't have if and even if we have it we are still not going to change your minds simply because you believe the Wii is a step back but we are playing it right now and seeing the step forward.

Also no hardcore gamer is going to buy an eye toy any thing from that guy again after the terrible controls he had for the first showing. I can not wait to see the full version of this controller. SONY could barely get a next gen controller ready what makes then think they would be any better with motion?

ZuperAmazingCooKie you had a post where you asked me not to call you names and you come here doing the same. Spoony is one of the few universal gamers here. He does have a point... and you like a raven lunatic ignore it and claim he has no say in the future of gaming like some retarded elite snob.

Here is a clue try having a conversation. Name a game that needs this type of accuracy? Another thing is they are not fanboy IMO because they make real points and don't use thou is better than thee arguments.

You seem to come here just to argue... which is lame.

"If everyone thought the same way you do games systems would still use CD's, "

No one is claiming it shouldnt be there, we just think it won't be used.
The point is that motion plus provides enough data to translate movement.
We aren't saying Sony shouldn't progress on it, but they are pretty much in the same time frame on providing something that FOR NOW is enough to translate movement into 1:1.

Its great Sony achieved this and its more than welcome, but to us gamers a thing like Motion plus can already do allot for us(not saying M+ is the ultimate hardware, just talking about what it can do). So why not just hype the PS3-mote by saying: its capable of doing 1:1 too? Why create this new hype of some sort and try to give gamers the idea they will be doing stuff on "submillimeter"...se riously. They could just show off more demo's or games...let that do the talking.

"You only need the Wiimote only needs to be pointed towards the Wii when you're using the IR Bar like in shooters. As they pointed out as well if the camera is blocked the PS3 motion doesn't work."

Cover the top part of your wiimote, or make someone stand in the way of the imaginary line between your wii mote and the sensor bar.

and last time i saw, in the tech demo, he reached behind his back to pull out an arrow. The connection is not broken if the camera can't see the controller... the ps3 has motion too.

It's not Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo that create the hype, that is created by us and the media. If a company states this tech can do 'sub millimetre' then thats a statement of it's capabilities, by getting worked up over how they word it is helping to create the hype that you seem to dislike. As for thinking it wont be used, neither you nor I know what any of these companies or developers have planned for the new motion controls and if the capabilities for Sony's motion controls add that level of precision then it can only be good for devs to use as when they need it. So it is very much like the CD's being adequate argument, just because you dont think it will be needed doesn't mean it wont be. Someone in another article put it quite well when they said "better to have a gun and not need it, than to need it and not have one". Just because there are not currently any games needing that level of precision dont mean there wont be, after all how can any games be out now requiring that level of accuarcy when the tech wasn't there to achieve it.

randomwiz I don't know any one that reaches around their back to get an arrow you would put your hand above your shoulder instead. Plus too the motion+ has to be filtered because it has a similar accuracy to it that would not be great for controls.

Yet the gamers will prove what they like when they buy it. Problem is motion+ will have a huge lead.

"You only need the Wiimote only needs to be pointed towards the Wii when you're using the IR Bar like in shooters"

That's the most annoying thing with the Wii, TBH. e.g. playing that Boom Blox where you shoot the ball, but if you use to much momentum that cursor is all over the place - but not on the screen. Then you have to get back and shoot one of those floating exploding things - while you are busy getting that cursor back on screen, and loosing it because you need a point of reference which you no longer have. Perfect example of a problem that sensor bar will never solve.

Not sure if sub-mm accuracy is really needed. But like HD resolution its just there. Its just time to have it. I can imagine in an RTS this might be useful to select your troops with some precision.

Spoony, watch this again ( http://lang.stanford.edu/co... ). Sony was working on Eye and controllers since 1999. Not sure how they could have employed anybody from Ninti when they released their product about 5-6 years later.

Sony used motion controls for the Eyetoy back in 2004.

Please watch the video Ju posted.

Spoony, im replying to you because some people need that clarification. My little cousin owns a wii, thats the only experience I have with it. I do know that Sony will surely apply their motion controls differently, and I didnt clarify but I meant imagine seeing 1:1 tracking in more hardcore games where you have the freedom to mess with the NEXT GEN PHYSICS rather than just slash & kill.

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"Wii-mote + motion+ can provide velocity and rotation too, so games won't be a simple Slash and kill sceneraio with the Wii. At least it doesn't have to be that way. No offense, but you did in fact admit you don't know much about the wii. "

When the wii has a game that rivals the graphics & physics (which are important to me) of something like ratchet then maybe I will buy one, but right now it doesnt, and I do know that for a fact. Its not too hard to educate yourself on something like the nintendo wii, especially with a close family member owns one.

No one was arguing the level of physics or graphics.
Sure if thats your reason not to own one fine, but thats not to say that Motion plus can't provide these things like "physics" based slashing.

Again with no offense, but people are fast to bash the wii out of ignorance. Sure let Sony have their submillimeter tracking and sure people could go for it.

But honestly I don't see how Sony is trying to hype it up with "sub-millimeter tracking, while saying 1:1 is enough. Now they are just hyping it.

"but thats not to say that Motion plus can't provide these things like "physics" based slashing. "

Even if the sticks can do the same things, it doesnt mean that the wii can run the same graphics and physics engines as the ps3. Maybe it can, we dont know, but as of now that seems to be the case. We will see in the coming years I guess, bubbles up for a decent conversation.

EDIT Sony will stop hyping up the precision once there is something else to talk about, but right now thats all that it has. No games to talk about yet, once those come thats all we will hear about from them.

Orange Juice do your realize what subMM tracking would do to your ai cycles?

You guys do realize precision in these movements would actually cause developers to scale back in graphics on the PS3 right?

Also here is a point what happens when one of your controllers are put in from to the other and the camera can not see the other? How will this be fixed? We don't even know if it can handle other lighting issues. On top of that will it have rubble. If so wouldn't rubble mess up subMM tracking. Another thing is what type of batteries will this thing take? On top of that how is this camera comparable to the z cam tech?

There is many more design questions to ask but hey I'm not going to do their job for them.