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Rockstar Reportedly Offers Musician $7500 to Include Song in GTA6, Gets Told "Go F**k Yourself"

Martyn Ware reported that Rockstar offered $7,500 to include the song "Temptation" in GTA6, and his reaction was not very charitable.

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franwex496d ago

That’s a terrible deal.

Ironically I went on YouTube to listen to it. I could see it working in a GTA game.

Vits496d ago

I don't know if I would necessarily call it a bad deal. This is a song from '86, and the band isn't that well-known these days. Their YouTube channel has less than 10k subscribers, and the song itself has a bit less than 7 million views.

The guy jokes about being paid in "exposure," but honestly, that's a meme until it isn't. GTA VI will likely be one of the best-selling games of this generation, not to mention the tens of millions of people who will enjoy it through videos and streaming. So, getting exposure here is very possible and could turn into a lot of money indirectly.

I do agree that Rockstar could have offered a bit more money, but from their point of view, it's literally just one song out of around 500 that they have to license. So really, a take-it-or-leave-it approach is the only one they would use.

Abriael496d ago (Edited 496d ago )

Regardless of the offer, the sensical reaction would simply have been sending back a counteroffer asking for more money if he believes his work is more valuable. That's what you do. You negotiate.

The public furor and profanity don't help his case and only serve to burn bridges. He's a bit old to pretend to be a rebellious rocker.

victorMaje495d ago

@Abriael

Don’t know if there really is pretense here but rebels will always be rebels no matter the age.

Personally I agree with making a counteroffer, it’s the logical thing to do, but there’s an argument to be made Rockstar’s offer was insulting to begin with, & so was met with an insult…

thorstein495d ago (Edited 495d ago )

Exposure:

It's like what happened to Low Roar with Death Stranding.

Kojima approached them to put their songs in his game. They were ready to call it quits. And then Boom, people love that soundtrack and learned about their music.

ArmrdChaos495d ago

....OR Rockstar could have just approached them and asked them if they would be willing to allow them to use any of their music in their game, and if so how much would it take? That would have given them the opportunity to just say No instead of risking insult. It could seem pretty arrogant to just open by throwing money on a table assuming you can buy anything you want. That does turn some people off right away.

90sGamingWasBetter495d ago

Whenever you go to a video on YouTube from a song that's on GTA there are literally hundreds to thousands of comments of people who were there simply because of GTA, I think they were crazy to turn it down.

Vits495d ago

@ArmrdChaos

That’s likely how they would approach a song they care about having in the game and truly need—something that might play at a crucial moment in the story, like "Holding Out for a Hero" in the final mission of Saints Row 3.

But for a song that just plays on the radio, they probably don't give a f*ck. So, a take-it-or-leave-it approach is what those artists will get.

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@romulus

You can’t possibly compare the exposure they will get from the bubble that is dedicated gaming news sites to what they might get in game.

It’s honestly happened plenty of times, both with games and TV shows, old songs just massively blowing up because of how they were used (not saying it would necessarily happen here, but its not uncommon)

Also, why are people calling the offer insulting? Do any of you know what would be typically offered in a scenario like this? Because I certainly don’t, so why would I be suddenly saying it’s a low or high offer? We literally have no context

Tapani495d ago

Yeah, but that is 7500 USD for over hundred million listens. A song at that level of listeners would be 10x the price normally at the very least.

CrimsonIdol494d ago

As a musician and someone who definitely suspicious of "exposure", I would still definitely take up any money to get music into GTA. I suspect he probs doesn't realise just how much of a game changer that would be, and understandably so. Hell, half my music knowledge and tastes at the time came from Vice City, particularly from V-Rock. Now I own physical copies of most of the albums those songs came from. He's right to be suspicious of "exposure" but in this case I think it's definitely warranted. He'd be guaranteed more sales/streams as a result.

I understand this is a different era, but back in the day (and I'm sure it's still happening) record labels would pay and bribe to get music on the radio (payola). In fact I'm even surprised that this isn't how most music comes to be on the GTA 6 soundtrack, it's quite surprising they're paying out at all rather than labels approaching them pleading to get their music onto the soundtrack. There's over 400 songs in GTA5 and presumably more on GTA6, so if we extrapolate out that $7500 for each song we're talking millions and millions of dollars just in licensing for music. It's not unreasonable and in this case I think "exposure" is a legitimate value add.

BISHOP-BRASIL493d ago (Edited 493d ago )

You guys realize Heaven 17 already had a song in GTA before, right? I believe it was a song in Wave 103, a radio station of GTA Vice City. So "GTA exposition" probably means fuck all for 'em.

Some of you seem to think this is being unprofessional or not aware of how big GTA is, but I believe their people just actually know how shitty of an offer this was better than most... R* will be making billions of GTA VI and they absolutely should be paying people for their work in a proportional fashion (not just music, but devs and everyone else who's work actually goes into the game, not just fattening the bonus checks of executives or lining numbers for shareholders who see gaming companies as an investment bank), yet they are trying to license music for pennies on the dollar right in the middle of the streaming model era for music as if no one was wiser to what music time costs... For what will likely be one of the most played games of the decade none the less...

How hard do you think this guy had to look to realize you can get around 10k for 3~4 million streams on Spotify and from there math out just how short R* were selling 'em? Of course they would tell 'em to fuck off and publicly so, as even just people checking out the controversy will probably stream one of their songs out of curiosity enough times to actually match R*'s measly 7.5k one time payment by end of the month AND without having to cede any of their rights over.

Vits493d ago

@BISHOP-BRASIL

Do you realize that Vice City was released almost 22 years ago, at a time when the internet was a completely different beast? And that it sold LITERALLY 1/10th of the units that GTA V sold?

So, no buddy, it’s not the same. There is a huge potential for exposure here that this guy passed on because, like you, he probably has no idea how large this audience is and is focusing on short-term gains instead of overall growth potential.

The fact that you think the few hundred people who saw this controversy on Twitter is equivalent to the literal hundreds of millions who would hear the song in the game or in the thousands of videos and streams about the game is just shows how off you are.

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DefenderOfDoom2495d ago

I did the same as many others did. Top comments below YouTube Heaven 17 video . "Rockstar brought me here."

RaidenBlack495d ago

Been a while since I saw "Fu*k" in an N4G headline

VenomUK495d ago

Maybe the deal itself is bad, but the benefit could be introducing the song to a new generation which might be then used in TikTok's and picked up by other advertisers. There was a soul- dance track used in GTA: San Andreas that was rereleased because of people being interested in it and it went on to do really well.

BISHOP-BRASIL493d ago

@RaidenBlack

I always have this on the ready for such situations:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

GamingSinceForever495d ago

@Abriel It’s about respect. Knowing that this game is guaranteed to make them billions in profit they found a mere $7500 to be disrespectful. When someone doesn’t take your work that serious you tell them to F*#k off.

You always act as if you have the answers when we all know you don’t. Stick
to journalism for pennies.

Abriael495d ago (Edited 495d ago )

I'm fairly sure many workers would love to be paid as many "pennies" as I am, even more so in this economy. 😂

It's not really rocket science: someone who responds to a simple commercial offer with public profanity has no business talking about "respect."

The same can be said about someone who defends it.

Knightofelemia496d ago

Worst deal ever $7500 bucks only person who would take that deal is someone who is hard up for cash.

JackBNimble495d ago

Or someone with a 1 hit wonder from 1983 that no one has ever heard of. I was a teen in the 80's and never heard of these guy's. Maybe @Abriael's suggestion, a counter offer would have been the better response then a " go fuck yourself "... but what do I know?

where-eagles-dare495d ago

I am showing my age, Heaven 17 were huge in the early 80s. Penthouse and Pavement was a classic album & 'temptation' was a big hit at the time reaching number two in the UK charts.

I absolutely agree, his use of profanity betrays his business acumen.

JackBNimble495d ago

Well I was a metal head so maybe that's why I've never heard of them.

Elda495d ago (Edited 495d ago )

You have no idea what you're talking about. Martyn Ware is an iconic Electronic musician & composer that started 2 legendary Electronic/Synth bands The Human League & Heaven 17 including BEF The Electronic British Foundation & the 2 bands/Martyn Ware was a part of have many USA/UK & European hits. Martyn Ware & the 2 bands he started are not one hit wonders.

NotoriousWhiz495d ago

Let's say Rockstar offered him a percentage. Let's say that Rockstar dedicated 5% of its budget to the in game music.
Let's say GTA 6 includes 100 different songs.
Rockstar could hypothetically offer him 0.05% of profits, so when they profit 1 billion dollars, each song would have earned 500,000 dollars.

MestreRothN4G495d ago

Why tf would Rockstar throw away half a million per song? lol

bloop495d ago

.05% is a probably a bit high but Notorious is right, they should be offering royalties and it's scummy that they don't. Especially so considering the music plays a huge part in the overall experience in GTA games. They can more than afford it and they should be paying it.

NotoriousWhiz495d ago

0.05% of profits is insane? And yall wonder why CEOs get richer while the workers get poorer.

NotoriousWhiz495d ago

Additionally, most songs aren't done by one person. It's usually a team of people that produce a song, so that 0.05% is getting split between multiple people. Everyone involved with the production of that song.

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Rebel_Scum495d ago

Hmmm that 7500 would be split three ways for the co-writers. Its a shit song, they shouldve counter offered and taken the money.

CrimsonWing69495d ago

With how much these games make, that’s pretty scummy.

LoveSpuds495d ago

I remember this song really well and I recall it being played a lot on the radio back in the day. Really unfair for some to say its a 'shit song' or play it down, in the day it was super popular (at least here in th UK, no 2 in the charts) and people who were teenagers in the 80s like myself will have fond memories of it.

Sure, its probably not the best business decision 'if' they reacted that way, but I can understand the sentiment. The biggest game on the planet which will make billions, the offer is extremely insulting in my view. Rockstar would have approached the musicians because they recognise the song fits perfectly with what they want for their 80s radio station BECAUSE its a great representation of 80s music, and in my view, a good song to boot.

Imagine 30 years from now someone makes an open world game in which your character could sit in front of a TV and fire up old games, how much would Rockstar want, even after all that time, to license any game in their catalogue? They would probably say 'fuck off' too if they were lowballed to that degree.....its no the money per se, its how little value Rockstar have put on someone else's work.

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The Most Anticipated Games of 2026 as Gaming Heads Into a New Year

The Outerhaven writes: As 2026 begins, these are the most anticipated video games on the horizon. From GTA 6 to Wolverine and beyond, here’s what gamers should watch this year.

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Some good games on this list.

Eonjay4d ago

"This build felt close to final for a couple of reasons. First, the optimization was excellent. The game was running at a smooth 60 frames per second, and it was doing it on a base PlayStation 5."

At first I though he had mistaken because of the first picture in the article showing a Pro... but if you scroll down you can see that they had a setup for both the base PS5 and a PRO. So, good news then. The game is running on UE5 so it should be a great test for PSSR2.

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Twisted Voxel Presents Most Anticipated Games Of 2026

Ali: "Here's a list our staff at Twisted Voxel has put together featuring our most anticipated games of the year 2026."

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GTA 6 Could Evolve Into an MMORPG as Many of Its Features Belong to the Genre, Developer Has Heard

Speaking to Wccftech, industry veteran Rich Vogel revealed to have heard that many of GTA 6's planned features are typical of MMORPGs.

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xHeavYx26d ago

I wouldn't MP as long as they don't abandon the main game.

Eonjay26d ago

I wouldn't worry. Its a complete non statement to say that 'a developer' has heard that GTA 6 has a lot of features shared by MMORPG genre. And therefore could later evolve into one. Complete and utter speculation.

dmonee27d ago

That would be a colossal error on their part. They will and should keep the online component separate.

franwex27d ago

Probably like previous Rockstar games. There’s the single player and there’s the online.

lukasmain27d ago

Don't force people to have to interact, or even be in the same world (server) as other people.

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