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Evil Controllers Boss on Why They Think Sony Didn't Include PS5 Controller Back Buttons by Default

Gaming peripheral makers Evil Controller's CEO states why he doesn't think Sony included PS5 controller back buttons by default

RazzerRedux1825d ago

"Coe might have a point, as making the DualSense feature back buttons by default might have driven the overall cost for the controller (and the console itself) a bit higher, which Sony doesn’t want to do. Of course, there is the high probability that Sony will want to sell a DualSense back button attachment in the future, which means more revenue for the company."

That it would drive costs up is a given and so to keep it priced competitively Sony would have to have dropped features such as haptic feedback. I'm hoping they do offer the back button option as I really like them on my Elite Series 2, but an add-on is preferable, in my opinion, than losing haptics.

excaliburps1825d ago

Yep, same. I honestly thought they would be default this gen. That said, Sony would jeopardize a lot of third-party controller makers if they did it, but you just know they are releasing a back button attachment to this thing, so I guess it's just a matter of when?

Third-party controllers offer better triggers for shooters and other stuff too aside from back buttons. I can't play shooters without back buttons (and no, it's not cheating).

RazzerRedux1825d ago

I love them primarily because I've always found R3 and L3 to be awkward to press. Making the controller better isn't cheating any more than a gaming keyboard with macros or a mouse with additional buttons. Just tools of the trade, so to speak.

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excaliburps1825d ago

You have no idea how many people see back buttons and paddles as "cheats." Even if you explain that Sony and MS allow them and they are not banned in tournament play, some people will still say you are cheating...

Highrevz1825d ago

The ones that support mods, they are cheating.
Just having the extra buttons it’s fine

Teflon021825d ago

Well it's cheating if it's not a official attachment. Once it is, it's not cheating. In DS4 and Xbox control they're not anymore. In the PS360 era you could argue it is as it was never part of Sony or MS control design and you're creating controller shortcuts.
Either way.

Wanted to say, I think the only reason they really didn't attach it by default is simply 1 reason. They're support to be extra programmable buttons. If they just attach it, devs may use em as regular buttons defeating the purpose of adding the buttons in the first place. Making it optional means devs can't touch and modify use outside it's intent. Like how the elite controls don't become the default controller. If it did. The back buttons would likely become dev programmable. which isn't necessarily bad. But the point was to personalize buttons

Muzikguy1825d ago

@Teflon

That's a very interesting point. I can definitely see that as being a reason

badz1491825d ago

why would the back button attachment drive the cost up? the one Sony release for the PS4 was good but a bit pricey. I bought a 3rd party back button attachments for 2 of my DS4 and they work just fine IMO and they cost like $6 - $7 each.

https://www.lazada.com.my/p...

RazzerRedux1824d ago

Of course it would drive up the price. How would it not? Even if it was $6 or $7 more like that cheapo thing you posted, that is still adding to the price.

Silly question, dude.

badz1491824d ago

@Razzer

what I'm saying is, if I can buy 1 or 2 of them for $7, buying in bulk would mean that it would be much much cheaper to almost negligible in the grand scheme of things.

RazzerRedux1824d ago

Negligible? Come on. Think about this. Even if you are only add $5 worth of components to the controller you've got to multiply that by the number sold. PS5 has already sold 5 million units. So just the controller in the box would have cost an additional $25 million for Sony if they kept the price the same. And Sony is already selling PS5 at a loss. That is not negligible.

chiefJohn1171825d ago

Not related but I just found out RDR2 dead body's decay and vultures will come pick it clean. Game of the gen!!! It's so freak real.

Nitrowolf21825d ago

haha, was that excited you didn't care where you said it!

chiefJohn1171823d ago

Lol there's just so much to discover about the game it's mind blowing. Easily the most realistic game to date

RazzerRedux1825d ago (Edited 1825d ago )

Decaying bodies that vultures eat. Wow.....if only that realism made up for the horrible gameplay and controls.

But glad you enjoyed it. No idea why you felt you needed to share this in an article about Sony's......oh wait.....nevermind. I get it now. lol

chiefJohn1171823d ago (Edited 1823d ago )

If you suck at the game just say that
Ah forgot you was on the Sony defense force committee. Not sure why you think this somehow an attack on Sony when it's non related lol Shouldve posted this on an Xbox topic Xbox fanboys not as weird as you guys but I literally just seen it as I read this.

RazzerRedux1823d ago (Edited 1823d ago )

What is there to suck at in RDR2? The gameplay is about as shallow as it comes. Point....shoot. Good thing too since the controls are crap. No, the only thing that killed me in RDR2 was sheer boredom.

You are just trolling Sony articles like you always do, but you really think your posting of silly off-topic nonsense is going to be well-received anywhere on n4g? Uh...yeah, good luck with that. Yeah, you'd probably get less downvotes from your fellow Xbox fanboys, but still you are just making yourself look stupid.

chiefJohn1171823d ago

Uh it's a wild west game wtf you expect the gameplay to be sides shooting? Which you clearly aren't good at. Yet somehow find a point and shoot game like tlous to be a game of gen contender lol. Only person that look silly here is you

RazzerRedux1823d ago (Edited 1823d ago )

"Yet somehow find a point and shoot game like tlous to be a game of gen contender lol."

LOL. Yep, there it is. I knew that was why you were here trolling. You are so damned butthurt that Sony has so many games that could contend for GOTG that you've got to search out Sony articles to promote RDR2 as GOTG. You need to work on your trolling game. It has gotten stale and predictable.

I'm just going to laugh off the idiotic description of TLOU as a "point and shoot" game. Play the game, Einstein, and then you will realize how stupid that truly is and you'll have a better understanding of a game that expands beyond just being a mindless shooter.

I'll let you continue your silly trolling now. Your knowledge of gaming this past gen is shit. You are not qualified to even have a vote on GOTG. Your only demonstrable qualification is trolling. see ya, "chief"

chiefJohn1171822d ago

Lol someone in theit feelings. Just calling out your hypocrisy for dissing RDR2. It's an amazing game nuff said, feel how you wanna feel

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masterfox1825d ago

uhmm because higher costs for Sony maybe ?, also even thou some say is a great addition to the controller on the dualshock, honestly I don't want more damn buttons on the controller.

Nitrowolf21825d ago

i think its more of people expecting them to go that route versus Haptic. It would have been cheaper, but i'm glad we got the latter. And yeah, that's basically the reason, they're more for competitive so why offer it by default versus something that will be used everywhere

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gamesftw2501825d ago

Just means the back button isn't for you which is fine. But it definitely draws a fine line if it should even be allowed or not.

2moda5gamer1825d ago

I feel like if there was back buttons then it would make devs use those instead of the touch pad. This could be better or worse (fps games of course would love it), but I feel the touch pad is fine enough for most single player games. Touch's also a shit ton more dynamic even though barely anyone pushes to use it in such a way.

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What an Xbox founder thinks of the new Xbox CEO | Seamus Blackley interview

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piroh3d ago

"I expect that the new CEO, Asha Sharma, her job is going to be as a palliative care doctor who slides Xbox gently into the night."

LOL

Anyway, let's wait and see maybe Mia Khalifa will surprise us.

rlow13d ago

I’m on the fence about her. I’ll give her chance, but if she is there to finish things off. Well what can you do.

Abnor_Mal3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

After seeing the article of the possible sunsetting of Xbox as said by Seamus Blackley I believe, I went onto X because of a post I saw. It was a gif of Vegeta powering up, the poster commented as Vegeta yelling “Don’t take my fiercest competitor away from me.” Standing there in his blue Sayian/Freiza corps outfit. So it got me to thinking, so let me ask a question to N4G.

If Vegeta is PlayStation, who would Xbox and Nintendo be in the Dragon Ball universe?

Who would be Master Roshi?

I have my own opinion of course, I just want to see what others think.

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That’s It, I’m Calling It, Xbox Is Dead, Time Of Death February 20

If you read Kotaku even semi-regularly, you already know that Xbox has been in a weird spot for some time now. And with today’s news that both Xbox boss Phil Spencer and President Sarah Bond are leaving and the new head of the brand will be a former Meta exec who previously lead Microsoft’s AI division, I think it’s time to call it. Xbox is dead. Time of death: February 20, 2026

beerhound6d ago

"The report of my death was an exaggeration." = Mark Twain

derek5d ago

"You would have to be alive first before dying" =
Me

Cacabunga5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

This brand died in the last 2 years of 360 since Kinect announcement.. downfall started all of a sudden until reaching the point of no return with xbox 1 DRM disasters

beerhound6d ago

"The report of my death was an exaggeration." - Mark Twain

BehindTheRows5d ago

So ready to defend that you posted it twice.

In any event, I have a more accurate quote: "It's dead, Jim".

S2Killinit5d ago

Also Mark Twain:
I have never wished death on anyone but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.

Zerobalance6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

God! Xbox dead again! Boring! Boring. Heard it all before.

InUrFoxHole6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

While I normally agree... The future of xbox is on shaky ground. Well, xbox as we know it. Im not sure what they are shooting for but who they put in charge mixed with Phil retiring and bond just flat out leaving. It's not looking good.

REDDURT6d ago

Im with you but in western countries I have noticed a trend to put women in control to prevent any kind of critics.

F0XH0UND9225d ago

Does this coping mechanism normally work for you?

bsingle405d ago

Get ready to hear it a lot more as the final nail goes home.

derek5d ago

Copilot is running the xbox division now, its first official act was fire Spencer and Bond then sell Xbox for scraps.

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Levii_926d ago

Oh come on, Xbox has been dead for at least 10 years now. I think what’s more important right now is Playstation’s death that is very slowly but surely happening through mismanagement and greed.

InUrFoxHole6d ago

Some what agree. Sony is in a better position to unf#$k themselves. Xbox isn't.

Levii_926d ago

True i agree with that, xbox's got nothing

ocelot076d ago

I actually agree sooner Hust is gone the better.

Levii_926d ago

He's being clowned on by the entire internet but i have been clowning on him way before he became CEO. I hate modern PS so much man. To this day i have no idea how Astro Bot happend in this terrible PS era but that was clearly a miracle.

Grilla6d ago

Delusional take, why do xbots always project Xbox’s problems onto PlayStation?

BehindTheRows5d ago

Every. Time! They compare the closing of a studio (one I liked, mind you, but they know their business better than internet dwellers) to the departure of not one but TWO major figureheads at Xbox. On top of Xbox's other problems, they are also now selling their games everywhere (not just PC).

Sorry diehard Xbox fanatics, we've been down this road before. PlayStation has closed studios. It happens. Maybe they weren't pulling their weight. Maybe they have a restructure in place. What ever the case, it won't come any close to tanking their brand. Xbox isn't in that boat. As a piece of hardware, it is all but irrelevant (hanging on only because of Game Pass at this point). It serves no other purpose because you don't even need that console to play its games. If it was just Xbox/PC, that would be different, but here we are.

So, this isn't the SonyToo that y'all love to hang on. Things are not good for Xbox hardware. At all. It is about time to start accepting that.

0hMyGandhi6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Respectfully, This is probably one of my least favorite tactics in making an argument.
I'll give you an example: If I like the color red, it doesn't mean I hate the color blue.

People lamenting the (potential) demise of the xbox brand has nothing to do with sony or playstation. It has everything to do with xbox. Now, for the sake of argument, you could say that Sony and Microsoft are two peas in a pod, and that they've both made absolutely baffling and worryingly stupid decisions in the recent past. But I truly believe that Xbox would be shooting itself in the foot regardless of Sony's presence (I look at you, Xbox One reveal with always online DRM and the inability to share games).

Sony, on the other hand, is making stupid decisions to stay competitive with the market, and like Microsoft, is seemingly forcing by proverbial gunpoint talented developers to try to make the next GAAS experience and never learning their lesson. I believe that Microsoft squandering RARE is the equivalent of Sony squandering Naughty Dog. Neither platform really knows what they want to be, BUT Sony is alot further along in figuring it out before Microsoft pulls out another revolver and takes aim at another of it's own toes.

Agent755d ago

Xbox died after the Xbox 360. The Xbox One was mediocre, the Series X was game shy. I'm glad Phil is retiring.

S2Killinit5d ago

Exaggerated projection of xbox problems onto Sony. This is what gave xbox the extra slack all these generations to eventually run themselves into the ground.

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The_Blue6d ago

This is why the views and comments are low, with lame articles that use divide-and-conquer pretensions.

ApexLanding235d ago

To be fair "divide and conquer pretensions" have been present in the comment section of this website for years regardless of the articles title, composition or intent. It's therefore unlikely that's what's playing a part in low viewership and commenting.

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