I would say what most dont get is that even thought ps5 has a faster SSD, it doesn't mean the XSX is as slow as a standard hard drive. Both are much faster than what we have today so both will pump info much faster, ps5 probably a bit faster.

Mr_Writer85

And how do you know? You call the Xbox fanboys bad the way I see it 99.9% of gamers on this site don't know what they are talking about when it comes to next gen consoles

All they see is 12TF vs 10TF

Developers have said time and time again TF aren't be all end all but guess what because one console has more so it's bragging rights

Games on both next gen consoles will look and at the same. Both are capable of doing native 4K at various FPS. Sites like GB have made their living of gaming developers to say something and publishing an article

As gamers we want to see games and if anything I know what the developers over at Sony are capable of just looks t the last of us part 2 and ghost. All these spec sheet warriors need to realize games sell consoles not specs

But whom am I kidding this is a non stop argumental site now and fanboys know more than those developing games and having longtime developer history

@Minute Man 721

It's going to be nowhere near that. The only reason PS360 was close was because PS3 launched year later and cost anyhwere from $100 - $300 more than the Xbox 360 at launch, you could literally get a Xbox 360 and Wii for less than the 60GB PS3. On top of that games were easier to develop for on 360 compared to PS3 which is why some games were 60fps vs 30fps, or just overall better on 360, and that was the case for the first 1 - 2 years.

That's not the situation here, in fact developers are saying the PS5 is the best console they've ever developed for, the PS5 will not cost up to $300 more than the Series X or Series S (if it launches), and games won't be dramatically better on Series X.

On top of all that the PS3 still outsold the Xbox 360 globally beating the 360 in EU, JP, and RoW by a large margin, with the PS4 extending that margin even further. The PS5 practically has a guaranteed 65m console sold across EU, JP, and RoW and that's if they fumble several things this generation, as the PS4 will have 50m users in EU, JP 10m, and RoW 20m (80m) by the end of this year, and those gamers are more likely to want to take their libraries over to PS5, especially considering we know what games to expect from Xbox first party-wise for the next 2 years because besides 4 of their studios.

Best case scenario Xbox wins back NA and UK, but PlayStation 5 will still likely go on to sell 100m units globally. And best case for Xbox 70m and that's an uphill battle for them depending on how long the generation last.

@neuteralgamer

"And how do you know?"

Because I'm neither blind or deluded.

The XSX has better specs, there is no question about it, even DF and any other tech website/youtube channel says this.

I haven't even mentioned TF. But it's an actual fact that the GPU and CPU in the XSX are stronger.

But regardless, PS5 will still have great looking and fun to play games, I won't be bothered that someone with a SX gets slightly better graphics than me, I'm not going to sit there and say "well this game is fun, but I know the SX has better graphics so thereore I can't enjoy this game".

Your very wrong on so Many levels.

Unreal's engine had to be re-written to keep up with PS5'S SSD.

Higher clocks increase all aspects of the GPU not just the CU'S.

Ram is the same speed. Not split.

Brand new haptic feedback dual sense controller.

Unmatched 3D audio system.

xbox is relying on all CU'S being filled and that never happens. It dosen't scale enough. Ask vega56/64. 64 had 8 more cores and a higher clock.

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Xbox Series X will pull off some serious visuals as well, but PS5 imo is the complete package and it's first party teams are unmatched.

History repeats PS5 will dominate again.

How much better can 4k look on game engines dating back to 2000? 🤔😂🤦

Want to know what will make it look better? SPEED!

Ps5 games will look better for at least two years. Reason being is they are developing all games to also work on the og Xbox one for two years. A couple third parties might come close, but look at this gen. Still nothing on the one x looks better than horizon or uncharted or the last of us 2. So for two years Xbox won't be able to fully utilize their own console to pump out amazing visuals and right around there, the mid gen consoles should be coming out.

I didn't get my dose of Scorn dev today

About the only major advantage that XSX has in terms of graphics capabilities is the resolution can be higher more consistently on the XSX. Frame rates also, but that's going to vary based on developer decisions.

Otherwise, each system has it's own focuses on some more minor graphics processes, but the major ones they're both fairly comparable

Xsx does have some advantages in the gpu compute areas due to a higher CU count.

@Mr-Writer

"It's not bad, it's just not as good as XSX. "

I think you'll be surprised. Btw. i saw a more praise for PS5 from 3rd party devs than it was for XSX.

@Shaggy :

Quote :

1: The PS5 RAM is slower than the XSX RAM
2: The SXS also has dedicated 3D audio, so nobody really knows if the PS5 audio is "unmatched"

.....

Bandwidth on XSX can be drastically reduced if game use more than 10 GB ( and it will in near future ) and also bandwidth per TF is basically the same on both. Read the txt

The CPU and GPU share the same bus to the same pool of RAM on both the Series X and PS5. There's no way around that. Only when the CPU is doing literally nothing can the GPU utilize the full bandwidth on either one (except it won't have any work to do because the CPU is what queues up work, so that's quite literally never going to happen.)

As I stated above, if you assume the CPU needs the same 48GB/s on both, then you have 400GB/s remaining on the PS5 or about 39.1GB/s/TF for the 10.23TF PS5 (which is a pretty meaningless measure but it's what you're considering here.) On the Series X you have 480GB/s left or about 39.7GB/s/TF for the 12.1 TG CPU. They're in pretty much the same shape at these rates.

The reason why 48GB/s of bus traffic for the CPU on Series X costs you 80GB/s of the theoretical peak GPU bandwidth is because it's tying up the whole 320-bit bus to transmit only 192 bits of data per cycle from the slower portion of RAM we've been told will be typically used by the CPU. 48GB / 192 bits * 320 bits = 80GB of effective bandwidth used to make that 48GB/s available. This is because only six of the ten RAM chips can contribute to that additional 6GB over and above the 10GB of RAM that can be accessed more quickly when all ten are used in parallel.

Regarding audio :

Sony already use 3D audio in PSVR. So, it will be in PS5 too.

Btw. they both have dedicated audio chip. What is being offered here is enhanced with a DSP like processing but we really need to see and hear more to see what this offers and how much in empowers devs, the same for the PS5 Tempest engine but being a SPU in all but name with the DMA access it has been thought through with no CPU time required.

Does the Series X have DMA within its Audio chip design, i really don't think so.
And i think that Tempest chip with all HRTF stuff in PS5 is a bit more advanced than audio chip in XSX

How do you know "PS5 games won't look as good as XSX in almost every case"?

Explain to us. Please.

PS4 games will look better than series x trust.

PS5 won't be rubbish. It's a very capable machine. Is the XSX better? Yes! But why does it matter. Everyone should own both.

The difference will be pretty minimal like it was at the start of the gen then we will get midgen refreshes and start arguing amongst ourselves again

Let’s put the best looking xb1x title up against the best looking ps4 pro title and see what looks better.

I say let's wait for both sides to showcase their games. This is a marathon not a sprint.

First party games from both sides will decide this "fight". As for third party titles, we don't know yet which is the best to play. On paper it looks like the XSX. Guess we'll have to look st Digital Foundrys tecnical videos. Then we all can fight for who has the most wrinkles, better pixels.

However you got to realise this, the casuals don't care about which place to play best.

You're talking out the side of your neck.

*Laughs in God Of War 2*

PS5 games won't look as good as XSX games you say? Well I have yet to see any game look nearly as good as PS4 Pros FF7 Remake, Horizon Zero Dawn and Days Gone on my X1X...... And X1X beats the pro in most specs.....

The vast majority of games are cross platform title found on Xbox, Playstation and the PC. This means that the developers will figure out a common denominator and target it to look mostly the same on all the systems. The PC usually gets a bit of an advantage here, but lately, that advantage has diminished due to escalating development costs. If you compare ACOdyssey for example, you will note that a PS4 Pro/X1X versions look fairly close to a PC version on High. The PC IS better of course, but not huge leaps better and the truth is, when playing the game, it fades into the background and you don't notice it. UBISoft probably did a cost/benefit analysis and said "not worth investing millions more into development costs for 5% of the customer base".

Exclusives will of course shine. PS5 exclusives will look better tha Xbox 4 exclusives. Why? Because Sony has better first party developers than Xbox. Only an idiot would try to deny that. Xbox has... Halo, which is always graphically awesome when it comes out, but is eclipsed by Uncharted or Killzone (graphically) for example.

So what does that leave the Xbox with? Probably not much in the end, except sad Xbox fanboys staring at screenshots all day to try and prove why their system is "better", while the Playstation 5 runs circles around it with better exclusive games that look better than anything on the Playstation 5.

Or do you want to try and tell me that Xbox First party titles are better than Playstation first party titles and make yourself look like a complete fool?

Mr. Writer.... please stop writing.

What do you mean by "not as good"?

You do know that Sony went out of their way to implement variable frequencies, right? Why would Sony intentionally gimp their hardware? It was done deliberately because maybe, just maybe, this design made more sense for their goals. It literally allows higher CPU activity or GPU activity where unused resources can be put to good use. It's quite genius, actually.

I don't know the extent of your understanding of technology, but you're very much oversimplifying the matter.

@itsmebryan

No, a ssd doesn't do all those things you listed, but on a different note it allows all those things you listed to be done much more proficiently.

I really realize that most people didn't understand or comprehend most of what Cerny explained about the PS5 architecture, for example the CPU/GPU scrubbers employed and their uses. Not to mention 12 channel GPU with 4 channels dedicated to their 4.O PCI, or even how they've dedicated 8 stand-alone chips as powerful as the jaguar chips in the PS4 to minimize the workload on the CPU/GPU of the PS5 thereby shortening the rendering time required in-between clocks.

But don't take my word for this, refer to Cerny's deep dive video available on YouTube it explains it all.

@sinspirit and stuna1

Has any Developers said that the SSD in the XSX is a bottleneck? I have been building my own gaming rigs since 1995 and watched storage evolve from 5400 rpm drives to SSD. SSD mostly help load time.
Yes, it gets data to the GPU and CPU faster but, that doesn't make up for having less power. I can put in car terms. You have two Mustangs. The turbo 4 cylinder and the other the V8 GT. You put sticky racing tires on the 310hp turbo and regular tire on the 460 hp V8. The sticky racy (SSD)tires put power to the ground more efficiently But, the more powerful V8 GT will still be faster. The slight advantage Sony SSD is not going to make up the difference of the more powerful XSX.

@itsmebryan

The SSD will be a differentiator next gen. Your PC is not a good indictor because games aren't built to require high speed storage. A new gen will change that. As an example, if your assets are managed better (dynamic geometry) you get a better looking game with less GPU work. That can lead to better FPS too. Also if your storage can't keep up you will see blurry textures and lower poly assets.

@itsmebryan

You have to look at it from a bigger picture.

You're correct in that's what SSDs directly do, but what is more important is what a faster SSD/IO speed will be able to INDIRECTLY do. PS5 will be able to leverage it's faster SSD and IO speed to be able to run games that have large seamless environments or environments with huge amount of characters and objects more smoothly and with a greater amount of object count/detail. Game genres that have big levels and/or lots of data flying around will benefit the most, like MMOs and RPGs, RPGs with online Co-Op gameplay, and open world adventure games. Games with big open worlds, especially MMOs with big open areas that have lots of enemies and players on screen at the same time, such as during a big cross faction PvP fight for a rare open world boss, will benefit greatly and we might even see some MMO developers opt to develop their game first, or even exclusively, on PS5 for a change. Travel portals/gates will be instantaneous. And in some cases, no need for a portal or gate, you'll be able to walk into a new dungeon level without waiting and you won't notice that the game has loaded up a new dungeon raid instance for you and your party.

Scorn dev: "We can’t discuss any info regarding PlayStation"
You: "...doesnt work with PS5 and talks like it does"

If you're gonna defend GamingBolt, at least read GamingBolt.

You don't have to have a dev-kit to understand the benefits. You just have to have the knowledge. I think most developers, big and small, know exactly what kind of benefits this hyper-ssd tech will provide. It's math, really.

I wish that I could reply directly to Zeke68 but I can't.

Software solutions aside, they use the same architecture, made by the same vendor. There are custom parts to the silicon in different areas yes, but they are inherently the same in most aspects.

I appreciate the personal insult though. It lets me know to block you.