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Which Console Won Q4 2017?

Twinfinite writes: Between the PS4, Xbox One, and the Switch, which console did the best in Q4 of 2017? Here's what Jordan Ramée thinks.

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JMRamee3043d ago

I disagree. Although the PS4 has done an incredible job this year overall, it had no noteworthy exclusives in Q4 this year. It's best games were Q1-Q3. It also couldn't hold onto it's title as most powerful console in Q4 either.

Cyborgg3043d ago (Edited 3043d ago )

So which console then? I say Nintendo and PS4 😁

AspiringProGenji3043d ago (Edited 3043d ago )

Define noteworthy... ill wait!

GT sport is noteworthy enough, and Uncharted lost legacy had a lot of content. TLL was a standaone game too mind you..l

As for Frozen wilds. It had length as well. Considering people made a big deal about W3 DLCs and arguing whether they deserve to be GOTY nominees, I guess Frozen Wilds could be considered its own as well

michellelynn09763043d ago

I know. They had nothing for the latter part. Hopefully that will change in 2018.

Aenea3043d ago (Edited 3043d ago )

The Switch only had noteworthy exclusives in Q1 and Q4 (or was it Q3 when Mario released), the most powerful console didn't have any noteworthy exclusives this year, perhaps Cuphead as a runner up....

Also GT Sport released in Q4, also plenty of VR content, how about Skyrim VR and Doom VR? Those are console exclusive to the PS4....

UltraNova3043d ago

So having a shit load of games for 3/4 of the year and some "not so noteworthy" ones in Q4 is reason enough to put them 2nd?

Forgive me but did sony release the ps4 pro in 2017 alongside xb1x and they lost the power crown in a straight up fight? Btw since when power was the deciding factor on who won a year, you know after total console/game sales and actual amount of good exclusive games released?

Man...that was perhaps the most delusional comment of 2017...well done JMRamee!

Godmars2903043d ago

When has "most powerful" ever been a major point, much less qualifier for winning any finical - sales - quarter?

It only was ever a default thing because the XB1 launched under-powered in comparison, with the Xbox camp more than MS themselves touting cloud distribution as something which would more than compensate. Then the XBX became a thing, and suddenly most powerful has become the only thing that matters.

FFS, can you please just give it up already?

Markusb333043d ago

Not sure the power narrative was important since the ps4 outsold the most powerful console during its launch month. So seems that power is irrelevant when compared to sales. Switch took some npd months another company didn't take any this whole year.

Rude-ro3043d ago

😂”most powerful console” with two upgrades and only putting make up on Xbox One games... 4 years into a gen... without one single new AAA 1st party game this whole gen.
I think it is way too late to care about how much power is pushing this gens games... or lack there of if you only game on Xbox.

JMyers3043d ago

So because "noteworthy exclusives" were not released in Q4, the PS4 didn't win 2017? What was released on the Xbox One all year and in Q4? In fact the company with the most powerful console have no "noteworthy exclusives"

GT Sport, Uncharted Lost Legacy, Frozen Wilds expansion? Vs Forza, PUBG and Early Access? I have left out Indies, but the story here is the same. More on PS4.

darthv723043d ago

So... are games ONLY allowed to be purchased within their particular quarter in order to count for something?

well damn... I been doing it wrong all along. I buy games at my leisure. So when i bought sunset overdrive, Ryse, The order... those were all new to me even though to others they are old hat. Good to know that in order to be part of the "in crowd" i have to buy my games right when they come out.

showtimefolks3043d ago (Edited 3043d ago )

JMRamee

in my opinion that's a positive why push all your games against other AAA titles whe n Q1-Q3 are available. just because a game came out in march doesn't mean it doesn't mean those games don't matter b q4

ps4 sold the most consoles(i think in 2017 world wide)
ps4 had the most diverse lineup
ps4 had the most exclusives

being most powerful doesn't have any benefits if you can't showcase your games on it

DialgaMarine3042d ago

Yup. The console that still managed to sell out during the holidays, despite being over 4 years old, only did so on hopes and dreams. Clearly these people weren’t buying the console for games.

Redlife2g3042d ago

So because of ONE weak quarter ps4 doesn't win? Must get cold living under that bridge..

Army_of_Darkness3042d ago

After horizon zero dawn, nier, gravity rush 2 along with psvr (finally got it and omg! Amazing!!) it's an automatic win for ps4 for me :)

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littlezizu3042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

Definitly PS4, their is reason ps4 number one selling console worldwide this year even after release of two console.
Even in NPD ps4 wins easily
Sales as of Nov(Jan-Nov end)
PS4: ~4.4m
SWI: ~3.4m
XB1: ~2.9m

Source
Check post of Liabe Brave. Verified source from resetera
https://www.resetera.com/th...

BadElf3042d ago

I don't see sales as "winning". Never did. It all just comes down to opinion. Just because Tay Tay Swift had most album sales in 2017 doesnt mean she had the "best" music in 2017....again, its all just opinion.

I won though. ME. And all the other gamers like me...because I own all 3 systems.

iofhua3042d ago

Don't cite a forum that's not a legitimate source.

The Switch had sold a hell of a lot more than 3.4 million units by November. This article dated October 30th states that 7.63 million Switches had already been sold worldwide.
https://www.polygon.com/201...

I'm waiting for the final tally for 2017. We won't know until January.

littlezizu3042d ago

@iof it's NPD not worldwide.

In Worldwide Sony reached 10 million in 6 months june 2017 they were 60 and dec 3rd they were 70.3
Switch sold 10 million in 9months frm march 3rd to dec 7th. So PS4 winning worldwide. This data from sony and nintendo sales figure

FATAL1TY3042d ago

Overall Winner: PS4

honorable mention - Switch

Best Tech - Horizon Zero Dawn

Disappointment of the Year - Xbox one and MS

DarXyde3042d ago

Switch in my opinion.

There are strong games offered all around, but most are multiplatform and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Super Mario Odyssey are serious standouts. Got them for Christmas and Mario alone is fantastic.

If we're talking commercially, PS4. I can't complain about Q4 though. Sony has killed it this year overall, so I'm not sad. Cheers to a great 2018 lineup.

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NoPeace_Walker3043d ago

Xbox and Nintendo Switch are winners 👍🏼 for me as those were the only consoles out of my 3 consoles that I had bought games for in Q4 2017.

Switch - Mario Odessey and Xenoblade 2

XB1X - Forza 7, Cuphead, Shadow of War, AC Origin, Wolfeinstein 2, COD WW2, PubG

JMRamee3043d ago

It's so weird that Q4 2017 was largely a fight between Xbox One and Switch. It was PS4 and Switch Q1-Q3, but PS4 must have just been content to sit things out at the end of the year.

Outside_ofthe_Box3043d ago

" PS4 must have just been content to sit things out at the end of the year. "

That's not how video game releases work lol

Aenea3043d ago

GT Sport, Skyrim VR and Doom VR were (console) exclusives for the PS4 in Q4 so I rather argue that...

TKCMuzzer3043d ago

Yet PS4 will shift more hardware, how come? Oh yes, they have games released through the year so even if you buy one in Q4 you will still have a larger choice of games.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3043d ago (Edited 3043d ago )

@JMRamee

PS4 Outsold Xbox One and Switch in November and Switch outsold PS4 and Xbox One in September and October. Xbox has been second or dead last for the last 4 months.

Switch top selling console in September
https://www.ign.com/article...

Switch top selling console in October
https://www.ign.com/article...

PS4 top selling console in November
https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

Are you okay?

sprinterboy3043d ago (Edited 3043d ago )

Sony let there 3rd party games battle it out over Xmas while having great exclusives through out the yr, great marketing technique imo, although Sony do release exclusives during Xmas too, gts, horizon dlc and knack 2 as a example

Vizigoth043043d ago

You can probably save this article and use it again next year. Just change the date. Because you can almost bet Sony again will have it's Exclusives shine in the first several months of 2018 and let one or two slip into 4Q/Holiday 2018. Like always the big multiplats land there. This is Sony's tactic. Even Microsoft took note and and is releasing Sea of Thieves in March, subject to any change. What probably isn't mentioned here because it isn't public news yet and probably won't be until January, is how many PSVR units got sold through with the help of GTS, Skyrim VR, and Doom VFR. Not to mention Resident Evil 7's update/expansion.

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gangsta_red3043d ago

No Zelda for Switch Peace Walker?

Kribwalker3043d ago

that would prolly be a quarter one or two purchase. I’d say definitely Nintendo and Xbox and the better exclusives to close out the year. sony has GTsport and knack 2, Ms had Forza 7, Super Luckys Tale, PubG, Cuphead, and the launch of the onex. Nintendo had Mario Odyssey, third party support that was missing last gen (doom, skyrim, fifa etc) , Xenoblade 2 and more.
Definitely
1)Switch
2) Xbox
3)PS4

ApocalypseShadow3043d ago (Edited 3043d ago )

So what you're saying krib is that all the games Sony released for the **whole year** that parents, spouses, and gamers saved for, don't count during the holiday season. Or that VR or its games don't count either because. ..what?

Glad you're not being biased about it and only count two games from Sony that released way before the holiday./S

But count Microsoft and Nintendo games that released not even near the holidays.

The Wood3043d ago

That's krib for ya. . 😂😂

I guess closing the metric to last quarter at least gives ms and it's fans something to champion. Nintendo came in kinda late but still done well. Sony coasted but still released games prior like they usually do. Good final quarter for gamers

Kribwalker3043d ago

@apocalypse
No what i’m saying is the article is discussing the 4th qtr of the year, so i’m talking about the 4th qtr. October to Dec. I put in knack 2 because september is typically counted in the fall holiday release schedule.

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UCForce3042d ago (Edited 3042d ago )

You ,@kribwalker and @XMessiah23x @JMRamee @NoPeace_Walker Really ? Now look here, PS4 have about 70 million units around the globe this year. Xbox and Switch have good battle, but they didn’t win the war. Next year, 2018 is going to be for Sony and these two gonna be ready for what is coming, because right now Sony got bigger gun. All their Sony First Party devs from small and big have the talents that surprise people from every direction. Sony won the most for being variety of all different gamer types.

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masterfox3043d ago (Edited 3043d ago )

lo Switch winner ? haha with only two interesting games all damn year ?.....well is time for:

https://media.giphy.com/med...

michellelynn09763043d ago

Mario and Rabbids, Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade, Splatoon 2 Battle Chef Bregade, Golf Story, Splatoon 2, Fire Emblem Warriors, Mario Kart 8 DX. Only two great games? You must be thinking of the ps4.

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Minimox163043d ago

@ WasimAkram16

also .Hack Collection, Danganronpa 1•2 Reload, YS Origin, PaRappa the Rapper, PaRappa the Rapper, Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2, Samurai Warriors: Spirit Of Sanada, Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana, Gundam Versus.

Aenea3043d ago

Ehh, you're padding the Xbox list with multiplats, games of which I bought for my PS4 Pro, so my PS4 Pro had an excellent Q4! Also add in GT Sport, Skyrim VR and Doom VR and it seriously won over Xbox!

Xbox came in dead last in my opinion, did nothing all year and in Q4 just release more powerful hardware, that's it, oh and a few Indies and Forza which sold miserably....

Kribwalker3043d ago

welll according to most of you guys, those multiplatform don’t count as games, so in Q4 PS4 had no games, so how could they have won? And according to you, Forza sold miserably, based off of what? VGchartz?
because all of the real data we have suggest otherwise.
First, Forza 7 outsold GTSport Digitaly worldwide in october
https://www.superdataresear...
It also outsold GTsport in October in the biggest market in the world
https://venturebeat.com/201...

It Also made the Xbox top 10 in November’s NPD and GTsport was no where in sight.
https://venturebeat.com/201...

Now I know NPD doesn’t equal the world, but world wide digital sales do. And Forza bested GTsport there.

So if Forza 7 sold miserably with half the userbase then the PS4, what does that make GTsport? A game that sold a fraction of previous GT games.....A Flop?

What’s even funnier aenea is you bring up Skyrim and Doom VR and fail to mention how miserably they sold.......

Cyborgg3043d ago (Edited 3043d ago )

@Kribwalker

Frozen Wilds is better than every game Microsoft release in Q4 not to mention it takes 15 hours to complete that game.

Knushwood Butt3042d ago

As of Nov 4th a certain site has worldwide sales at

GT Sport - 1.3 mil after 3 weeks on the market
Forza 7 - 450 K after 6 weeks on the market

TKCMuzzer3043d ago (Edited 3043d ago )

A pointless discussion, Sony and Nintendo deliver all year round so there is no need to break it down into quarters. I can see why MS and its fan base would like to do that though.

By the way, PUGB, no one should be paying money for that product in its current state.

Revvin3043d ago

XBOX for me, only bought GT Sport for PS4 and I only got that because it was half price in the sale. Going forward I see me buying more on XBOX in 2018, I have the One X Scorpio Edition which means even third party games will almost certainly look better on that than my PS4 Pro.

JMyers3043d ago (Edited 3043d ago )

The only exclusives on that list are Forza 7 and Cuphead. PUBG is not even a game yet, and it's a broken mess. I guess full games like GT Sport and UC:LL do not count. And new IPs and exclusives in Q1, Q2 and Q3 don't count either. The PS4 has had over 10 exclusives this year, with most of them ranked 80 or more on Metacritic.

Nio, Nier, Yakuza 0, Crash, Horizon, MLB: The Show 17, Knack 2, Persona 5, Yakuza Kwami, Uncharted: The Lost Legacy, GT Sport,...

I have not included niche Japanese games or any Indies

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TheColbertinator3043d ago

The Switch won the talk of the town for 2017. Microsoft came in roaring with the Xbox One X but its exclusive lineup sure is pitiful. Sony is somewhere else. Who knows.

Ricegum3043d ago

"Sony is somewhere else."

Yep, top. In a different league to Xbox. I'm glad to see Switch having a good year, proud owner of one now and I am thoroughly impressed.

Xbox One had another disappointing quarter, surprising considering they have just dropped a new £450 console.

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Dragonscale3043d ago

Yeah Sony is in a league of their own. Scorpio did jack tbh.

Vizigoth043043d ago

"Sony is somewhere else. Who knows." Haha. To pretend to know nothing only exposes you. Sony has the install base that much you do know. And with that with games like COD and Fifa comes out even if it's not your style of game, PlayStation gets 50% or more of the market share easily. While exclusives like Uncharted 4 are nearing 10 million in less than 2 years is what keeps PlayStation gamers waiting patiently for the Loot of games coming in 2018.

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OB1Biker3042d ago

'Microsoft came in roaring with the Xbox One X'
And the crowd reaction after NPD result for the launch month:

http://www.reactiongifs.com...

CaptainObvious8783042d ago

When the xox couldn't win the november NPD in it's launch month in it's strongest territory, that is anything but "roaring".

UCForce3042d ago

Sony is Death from Above. You gotta be shocked.

Kribwalker3042d ago

@gangsta
at the least i’d say assassination from above has got to be anti competitive

gangsta_red3041d ago (Edited 3041d ago )

@Kribwalker
UCForce is a huge Death From Above 1979 fan so i can't be too mad at this comment seeing as how he has great taste in music.

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masterfox3043d ago

70 million, do I say more ? ;)

michellelynn09763043d ago

Let's see if those numbers hold up and so? What has been their big seller? COD, not an exclusive.

Markusb333043d ago

Cod is everyones big seller every year for many years not sure what your trying to say. Still 70.6 million people made their choice.

Foxhound9223043d ago

Goddamnit, this is the argument of a 10 year old.

"Wahhh, a super popular, massive, annual multiplatform sold the most so all exclusives don't matter cuz they sold less..."

Do you even realize how dumb that logic sounds? Get a clue ffs!

Vizigoth043043d ago

Uncharted 4. Nearing 10 million in under 2 years. That's 14% of the install base. But factor in that PlayStation has multiple exclusives that have sold 1-2 million throughout the generation. Not just a few. Quality, Quantity, Variety and consistency is what you get for PlayStation. That is the truth.

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PLAYWATCH763042d ago

You don't think PS4 install base lead will not hold up? You can't be serious.

UCForce3042d ago

Let me tell you something this. Microsoft and Nintendo can not go that far. That would take 3-4 years for them to get there. Because right now, Sony is already stepping up even further.

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PLAYWATCH763042d ago

To be fair, it does say Q4, 2017, and not the whole generation. So, stating 70 million is not really irrelevant here.

Father__Merrin3043d ago

Q4 2017? How about all of 2017

What a biased skewed article

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Pokémon Champions Review – Confined Competition [Wccftech]

Does Pokémon Champions successfully open up a previously difficult-to-access side of the franchise? Or is it less than super effective?

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PlayStation Confirms New DRM, Digital Games Will Vanish If Players Don't Log-In For 30 Days

Tech4Gamers writes: "A PlayStation Support assistant has confirmed that the 30-day timer implemented by the new DRM policy is part of an update and isn’t a bug. While responding to a fan’s query, PS support revealed that all games purchased digitally after March 2026 will be affected by this time limit.

If your PS4 or PS5 does not connect to the internet within 30 days, the game’s license will expire, and it won’t launch on the console unless the connection is restored. Hence, every digital game you purchase from now on will require an online check-in, or else you will lose ownership."

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Goodguy017h ago

That is wild lol. Steam already does this for some games depending on the developer...but man...all digital games on ps5...

Eonjay4h ago

FYI, it hasn't actually been confirmed. This is just a lot of assumptions. If this is the case i would expect Sony to come out and say so. Chat bot response doesn't count as official confirmation.

People are also saying this is also an inadvertent mistake. If this is the case Sony and its customers would be best served by coming out and saying so.

If this isn't a mistake I think they need to confirm it and Playstation gamers should complain.

darthv723h ago

Sounds like Sony quietly did what MS openly said they were going to do with the once a month check in... and MS got so much flak they had to change course.

People need to give Sony even more flak if its true.

blacktiger2h ago

If the response is from Sony whether irresponsible employee or chatbot. That's from SONY until Sony reiterate

Dandizzle2h ago

seriously, a large company like sony wouldnt do that without an announcement or else it would result in bombardment of customer service

BlackOni1h ago

Sony's chatbot is notoriously garbage at providing even basic information and functioning properly. I wouldn't take anything it says seriously.

That said, if this is true, this is serious af. Major L for gamers across the board.

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phatak3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

This is beyond nuts, this was pretty much the exact thing that the playstation execs during the ps4 era mocked the xbox one over and xbox never recovered after it, this is why you need stiff competition folks, Sony high on their own supply just like the early ps3 days where we apparently needed 2 jobs to afford one, I was a massive Ps3 fanboy mainly due to the fact that the xbox 360 pushed sony into a corner resulting in them actually trying real hard to get market share back and as a result we got crazy good exclusives, just for old times sakes like I used to do back in 2012 right here on n4g ill relist some of the major exclusives of ps3 again

Demons souls
Metal gear solid 4
uncharted 1,2,3
infamous 1,2, festival of blood
little big planet 1,2 & little big planet karting
gran turismo 5 and 6 & ridge racer 7
killzone 2,3
twisted metal
journey
ratchet and clank tools of destruction, quest for booty, crack in time, all for one, into the nexus
resistance 1,2,3
last of us 1
god of war 3 and ascension
motorstorm collection
ico & shadow of the colossus collection
folklore
modnation racers
warhawk & starhawk
sly collection & jack and daxter collection
Puppeteer & comet crash & tokyo jungle & rain & gravity crash & Echochrome & the last guy
Heavenly Sword
3D Dot Game Heroes
Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale
Mag & Socom 4
Fat Princess
Ni no Kuni, Valkyria Chronicles, Yakuza 3,4,5 (these all came to pc later )

But just think and compare this catalog of games to ps5 ?
Saros, astro bot, demons souls remake, ghost of yotei, I would have included gran turismo 7 but that came on ps4 as well so not really an absolute exclusive that one needs to buy a ps5 to play like the other 4.

We are almost in the 6th year of the ps5, the 6th year of the ps3 was around 2012 and almost all the games from the list above were already released on the ps3, now if they are really pulling this online crap every 30 days non sense its only because of a lack of competition from xbox and so they have console players by the ba**s, now I don't know whether this is confirmed or not but regardless if this is in general where their headspace is at it seems like we should be worried, its the real playstation gamers that will be affected if its true, Im not even a playstation gamer anymore but my recommendation is put your money where you mouth is and really abandon playstation if this ends up being true.

Extermin8or3_1h ago

No it isnt. The xbox one require you to check in online every 24 hours. Also alot has changed in terms of Internet infrastructure and provision globally since 2013.....

hiawa239m ago

Looking at what consoles cost now, many need 2 jobs.

Loktai1h ago

@darthv72 Yeah LIKE 14 years ago. Its like saying "Give sony flak for raising game prices, because it would have made you mad in 2012"

Jin_Sakai6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

This has to be a mistake.

“Received word from an anonymous insider. The Sony DRM issue is unintentional. From what we gathered, Sony accidentally broke something while fixing an exploit. They've known about the confusing UI for a while, but didn't see it as urgent. Hoping for a clarifying statement now.”

Eonjay4h ago

I find their communication to be very poor. If this is an error on their part why let people get worried about it? I understand they don't respond to rumor but sometimes they make it worse by not responding and this is an unforced error on top of and apparent unforced error.

Kribwalker2h ago

There’s people that talked directly to people, not chat bots, that confirmed it’s real 🤷‍♂️
I expect those fans that were so against Xbox doing it to eat a whole lot of crow

Outside_ofthe_Box2h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Damn, we having diehards coming out of the woodworks for this. 😳

But you're right this is literally what led to the demise of the Xbox One and led to some calling it the Xbone.

There is literally no need for this and Sony has been doing just fine without it. If I don't turn on my console for 30 days and want to play offline I should be able to play the game that I paid for, no if and or buts about it.

Jin_Sakai15m ago

If it’s real it won’t last long. Almost every PlayStation YouTube video is full of revolt comments about it.

CrashMania6h ago(Edited 5h ago)

The screenshot from the article is from an AI chat bot, there are plenty of screenshots floating around from actual human chat reps stating the opposite.

SkilledGamer1h ago

It's also worth noting that the text stating a 30 day license seems to only be visible on PS4, PS5 users aren't seeing it at all.

Warrior945h ago

It this is real then I will never buy digital again and if the PS6 is digital only then it will be the first Playstation Console I wont buy

VersusDMC4h ago

"Games will vanish" is click baity as hell...all you have to do is log in and the license is restored.

phatak1h ago

@ VersusDMC The entire goal for us gamers is to want to avoid that lol, what if sony's servers are down or having some maintenance, many times ive just played my installed games without even signing into psn, from now one it means every 30 days I have to at the very least sign it to psn to even play my installed games, cannot even play single player games without singing in, so for example if sony just decides to ban me from psn, I cannot even play the games locally already installed on my drive that I purchased after march 2026, you don't think thats insane ? you just want to accept that ? abandon playstation right now if this story gets confirmed.
we officially have started renting games from march 2026, it was a good run we had 1994 to 2026.

VersusDMC1h ago

Maintenance doesn't last 30 days

Who doesn't sign in to psn for 30 days? Missing out on game updates, new games, messages, demos, etc...

You already lost all your purchases if you got permanently banned from psn so that's not new.

And if for some reason you don't have internet for 30 days you can use your smartphone as a Hotspot to connect your ps5 to the internet.

phatak55m ago(Edited 42m ago)

@VersusDMC my point isn't not about the 30 days maintenance man, the fact that you are willing to accept this 30 days sign in means they totally OWN you now, what if they change this later to 7 days, im sure you will be making the exact same point right " who doesnt sign into psn every 7 days" ? eventually say it becomes every 24 hours you cool with that too ? by psn banning you I mean to say if I get banned on psn right now for some weird reason that they decide, but I have 20 installed games already downloaded and ready to play just by clicking X, basically all the exclusives from ps4 and ps5, even if my psn is banned I still get to play the games already installed right now same like putting the disc into a banned console, from march 2026 will I be able to play my locally installed games with a banned PSN ? Its not about the length of time, its the fact that the corporation gets total control over how I choose to even play my single player offline games with mandatory sign ins, a simple thing such as forgetting my password would mean I cant even play ghost of yotei offline without signing into psn.

You ever heard the phrase "give someone an inch and they will take a yard", thats what will happen here, it doesn't just end at 30 days sign in, that's just the start

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Final Fantasy XIV Expansion "Evercold" Gets First Details, Switch 2 Version, & More

Today, Square Enix revealed several details of "Evercold", the next expansion coming for its popular MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV.

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_Decadent_Descent1d 18h ago

Isn't it past time to make a new FF MMO?

repsahj1d 18h ago

Interesting. I will try the base game free trial when it comes out. I heard you can try the it as long as you want with Lvl 70 cap.

CornholioX1d 15h ago

Soon with lvl 80 as Shadowbringers (3rd expansion pack) will be in the free trial.