So if you put your game into your harddrive do you still have to put the disc in the tray to be able to play it?

Yeah you definitely need the original disc inside the console. If not, this would lead to infinite amounts of easy piracy (note the word easy, yeah, because this already opens infinite oportunities for hackers to install a lot of games on their harddrives lol.

do what ps3 fanboys do to anyone tho says crap about LBP or KZ2. Take his bubbles away

@jay

Good question. The answer is it will be a mandatory because if you could remove the disc and play it without it in the drive, you could easily install the same on all your friends, relatives 360s all at the cost of one game :D

FOR REALZ!

"Yay! I wait 10 minutes for an install to save 6 seconds! The pop-in is still there but who cares! YAY!"

After seeing how truly poor the "New Xbox Experience" is, I'm trading mine in this week!

BTW It's called the "New Xbox Experience" because during and after installation, you will experience new problems!

I dont' care too much for loading times, shorter is better, but I'm patient.

My question is, does the dvd still spin? I know it has to be in there to check, but does it spin the whole time? My dvd (new elite) is loud.

Uhh, you save 6 secs everytime you play, it all adds up. You are forced to install on the ps3, not on the 360 tho.. The 360 will finally be quiet also.

What are you talking about? That was a vast improvment... May actually be worth it.

@bomboclaat_gamer taking away your bubbles for being so childish. Also people are under the impression hard drives make instant loading times this is a wrong assumption it makes it faster sure but differnces are minor this is a good move by MS no good for 20gig (or 14gig should i say) HDD users which is about 80% of there userbase but its a real nice idea. The only thing now is they should drop there HDD prices to reasonable prices to really hit Sony otherwise it kinda is pointless as most gamers wont pay the silly prices for the bigger HDD's.

I completely agree about the expensive HDDs for the X360. It's time for MS to just make the decision to lose money on those things, because with the increased use of the HDD by many games, those with older Premium units are going to be left in the dust. No one in their right mind should pay more than a dollar a gig for an HDD.

Must be something wrong this this guys xbox.

I haven't seen GTA load up on the 360 before but that was like 3 times the loading time than on the PS3. I get no black screen or nothing after the intro pics. It goes right in to the game.

They have no money left to spend in that area. They've put forth so much money on worthless exclusive DLC for games that die before their year-after release, that they have no money. Add that to the employee stand still etc. etc. and you've got yourself a crisis.

However, what they CAN do, is lower the price of their HDD, and now that we all know it's just a laptop HDD inside, the price of the HDD should NOT be above $100 for 20 gigs.

i hope people know that the PS3 came out with this first and now all of a sudden 360 does it and takes credit bastards....

Yes your right Sony were the first to Force there gamers to install, however MS is the first to offer Optional install on every game. :)

Woah that's...awesome?

Only slightly faster, plus there's the install time. Is it worth installing a game just to have a slightly faster load time?

The thing a lot of people fail to realise, is that this is just a money making scheme from Microsoft :( Think about it. The 20GB HDD the majority of Xbox owners have won't be big enough to install many games. So they have to go and buy a new bigger hard drive. Oh look. The only one compatible is made by MS. That's what makes me dislike this update. It's like the carrot on a stick trick.

:O Just looked at Xbox HDD drives on the internet. A 20GB is £69.99, and a 120 GB is £129.99. That is the biggest rip off I have ever heard of. You can buy standard terrabyte Hard drives cheaper than that.

There are a lot of things people are saying here that is all wrong:

- 20% improvement on a 10 second load time is really only 2 second saved. So yes, you will not notice huge improvements....
- Offering this functionality is probably NOT intended to sell you on the hard disc, but rather to reduce the number disc read errors and warranty replacement. Who here is afraid of disc read errors? That is what I'm most afraid of on my Falcon 360. This kind of failure is only covered for 1-year by MS.
- The game is not being intalled, a copy of the game is on your hard drive. When the game is started the 360 reads from the disc to ensure you are legitimate owner and plays the content from the hard drive. There is no install though...
- The hard disk is a useful device, however, it is mostly used for downloadable content. If you don't download much, then you don't need it. The included memory card on the Arcade is enought to get you playing online assuming you bought Gold Live! subscription.

Man is there a lot of misinformed people over such simple features... No wonder multiple sku's causes confused consumers.

this guy funny

Well mostly due to Anime. which btw I plan on watching right now. School Rumble FTW well I gtg BTW Sorry to Anyone I offened in my previous messages 2-4 days ago that made me drop from 3 bubbles to a pathetic 1. I won't speak my mind so much, just kinda mad @ Square/Enix for messing with true fans hearts.

Microsoft has been installing games on hard drives much longer than PS3.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

TEEHEE you are misinformed mate...I'd been installing games in the original xbox hard disk years ago...

blue ray still superior even though it needs to load huge chunks to the hard drive anyway just to play LOL! yeah thats superior, whats worse is that even after loading your chunk of memory your games still look like trash compared to 360 games, bioflop ps3 anyone, superior hardware my @ss

.....Wipeout HD is 1080p native, 60 fps
WKS is 1080p NATIVE --first rpg ever to do that
GT5P is 1080p at 60 fps
RR7 is 1080p at 60 fps

too bad crap box doesnt even have a single 1080p game not to mention 60 fps

@marionz

haha

all ps3 exclusives look miless better than trash box 360 games

KZ2/GOW3/WIPEOUT HD/HR/WKS/UNCHARTED /RESISTANCE 2 makes any trash box game looks like pile of poo

Why these are droid "shut up" links http://www.techeblog.com/in... thats 1 http://www.gamespot.com/fea... thats 2 http://www.videogamer.com/f... thats 3, and for the kick in the nuts http://www.n4g.com/News-140... booya.

Now I know you droids live in fantasy land and you snort pixie dust off a chocolate covered mirror... so this little reality check is waaaay overdue.

Now, why don't your click your heals three times to go "Home" to last place, 95% multiplatform failure, 4 billion in debt, 45hr movie games, forced installs, wait forever, don't have anything to play, no DLC, 3rd rate online, follow the leader, sloppy seconds, trophie, Little Big Lego, washed out, lack of RAM, last gen GPU on back to Paystationvile.

Now scoot along, take your slug trail with you, and leave the true superior GTAIV graphics to the system that proves it "over and over"...:) again.

these ps3 fans must be eating you alive inside lol.

"hook line and... sinker" works every time, I have a special droid bait on my hook...:)

hmmm... seems like your the one whos hooked... ; )

Retarded fucer the 360 already ran games better over all, the 360 will run games better than it does now, pop-ups and load time issues will give the 360 an edge after NXE. The PS3 needed the HDD basically to match the 360 or even slightly beat the 360.

N4G's news style is like FOX news and how they say in their polls the republicans win debates.

woah, take it easy man

No wonder you remember it like that.

Your head is buried in the sand!

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

...if you want to talk about someone's head being in the sand, why don't you quote from more than one top-quality professional source?

IGN: GTA IV Looks Better on PS3 than Xbox 360
http://news.teamxbox.com/xb...

1up.com: "the PS3 version has the slightest visual edge, plus motion-control support"
http://www.1up.com/do/revie...

Gamepro.com: "EDITORS' NOTE: The PlayStation 3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV is largely the same as its Xbox 360 cousin, but there are a few key differences. The game runs at a slightly lesser resolution, resulting in a slightly "softer" look, but the game still looks crisp and vibrant. We also noticed deeper, more robust use of color throughout the PS3 game, though these findings could likely be replicated on the Xbox 360 version by fiddling with your television's video options. The PS3 version also has noticeably less "draw in" than the Xbox 360 version, which means it's rarer to see trees or buildings pop into view on the PS3."
http://www.gamepro.com/arti...

Gamespy: "For those who have to decide between the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions, we should mention that these flaws are slightly less noticeable in the PS3 game."
http://ps3.gamespy.com/play...

These are by some of the most professional game sites out there and eurogamer, once again, is telling the opposite story; just like they did when MGS4 came out.

ya pixel just ripped you guys a new one

Eurogamer is his Bible, apparently. I'm sure that's the only source that you will ever see him post from. You can't beat someone from TeamXbox saying the PS3 version looks better.

Actually the 360 does have games that run at 60fps as well as games that have a higher resolution than the ps3 counterparts...Alex you really should do some research before you speak, you're making PS3 owners and PS3 Fanboys look bad. Please don't be so ignorant and there is no need for you to post the same quote twice unless you think PS3 fanboys can't read thus pasting it again a bit lower so that they can read it again to understand your points...

@Jason 360 - Whats this I found?

So this is what its come down to?

'95% multiplatform failure' You say this like it is a statistic that is widely used. Multiplatform failure? So because the 360 has different colors, or maybe some anti-aliasing it is 'FAR SUPERIOR' and the PS3 version has 'failed'? Pathetic

'4 billion in debt' and Microsoft wasn't ever in debt between now and when they released their console? Don't forget the original XBOX did not make 1 PENNY!

'45hr movie games' I'll assume you are talking about Metal Gear Solid which I'm sure you haven't even played. Obviously it must be amusing to you to 'exaggerate' because you think it gets your point across better. Really it just makes you seem like a desperate fanboy. Maybe you should stop snorting your 'pixie dust off a chocolate covered mirror' and realize how much shorter they actually are. Regardless, Metal Gear Solid 4 is an amazing game that I had no problem with playing. I loved every minute of it. If you had a brain and bigger attention span, you might enjoy it as well. But sadly, "GIVE ME TEH GEERS OF WAR. I WANT TO TEH CHAINSAWWW!!" Mindless dribble is what you consider 'art'.

'forced installs' Not even going to touch this one. Just a sad, sad argument.

'wait forever' What does this even mean?!?

'don't have anything to play' Just as pathetic as forced installs. Please tell me what games we don't have to play? I have about 8 PS3 games and they all see a great amount of playtime.

'no DLC' I will again assume you are talking about games such as Fallout 3 or Grand Theft Auto 4, seeing as how the PS3 does indeed have DLC, just not your 'almighty' exclusive content! OH WOW! At any rate, using GTA4 as an argument is pretty sad because we both know that game has no selling power left in it. With the DLC scheduled to hit 'who knows when', it is really just going to be sad. And with Microsoft paying 50 million for it? That just spells out a pretty hefty price for you 360 fans to shell out.

'3rd rate online' Please explain why you feel it is third rate. So many people like to bring this up, but I honestly don't see where Sony fails. And please don't bring out menial crap like 'cross game voice chat' and 'cross game invites'. If that's what you pay 50 bucks a year for, count me out. I think that what you get on PSN is just a great as what you get on Live.

'follow the leader' Is this some pun regarding Sony copying Microsoft? Please, we all know that Microsoft's revamped dashboard is a copy of so many already established, GOOD ideas. Don't bring copying into this.

'sloppy seconds' Again, what does this even mean?

'trophie' AGAIN, WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?!?

'Little Big Lego' Obviously you are not in the Beta. I'm also guessing you attack this game to make yourself feel better about your 'third rate' exclusives coming out this Winter. You have no idea what this is going to be like or what it is capable of being like. Its like me coming out with some witty line, 'Crable 2' when I haven't played the first one and have seen a couple videos on the second. Its just rubbish.

'washed out' This point is also moot. Here, some reading for you! http://www.n4g.com/News-936...

'lack of RAM' This is obviously not as big an issue as you fanboys seem to think it is. Considering all they have accomplished on this 'lack of RAM'. If you knew anything about RAM you would also come to the conclusion that XDR RAM is ALOT fast and better fitted for CPU processing. If you didn't know, GDDR3 RAM is a graphics specific memory. That the means the 360 is using made-for-graphics memory for their CPU!

'a last gen GPU' Okay I'll give you one. Because on paper the Xenos has better specs. But it honestly shouldn't matter when more and more developers get an idea of what they are doing. That's what the SPE's are for. But saying that it is last gen does not really do you any good. The 360 chip is also, at this point, considered last gen and is outdated by anything that is put into a PC nowadays.

Mindless dribble; that's about all you are good for.

Oh and from your 'droid shut up' links:

"The 360 seemed to have a bit more pop-in"

"Neither of the machines run the game smoothly enough to confer an advantage"

"At a push we'd say that the pop-in is better in the PS3 game"

"Whether this is down to the PS3 offering higher quality video thanks to the Blu-ray disc's larger storage capacity isn't clear, but watching the in-game TV is certainly better on Sony's console."

Yeah these are sure to shut everybody up. I'm not trying to say the PS3 version is better, I am simply pointing out that there are just as many things wrong the 360 version as there are with the PS3. If you can't see this, you are obviously a blind fanboy.

As for your 4th source, it is the exact same as the 3rd. So no 'kick in the nuts' here, that's for sure

You seem to be getting most upset, son. Try to relax a little, before you pop a vein, huh?

And, BTW....do you truly expect people to read your 5000 word essay?
good luck, man.... XD

@ pixelsword... lol! Yeah, well done, you found some PS3 favoured reviews. But did they mention this in any of them?
(ready?)

GTA4 ps3 = 640p
GTA4 360 = 720p

You knew that right? Isn't that public knowledge?
Oh deary me....Pixelsword! PLEASE tell me you knew that?

Well I guess 640p is still ok for the ps3.

It's just not quite as good as 720p, is it?

*yawns*

Oh the irony. I actually take some time to bring a thoughtful post to this discussion, bringing sources, insight, and research to the table and you have the audacity to call me a fanboy, probably not reading it yourself. I'm not upset at all. I just find it pathetic that you yourself cannot look beyond your own lame fanboy arguments to see that I am just pointing out the obvious.

And I again quote:

Gamepro.com: "EDITORS' NOTE: The PlayStation 3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV is largely the same as its Xbox 360 cousin, but there are a few key differences. THE GAME RUNS AT A SLIGHTLY LESSER RESOLUTION..."

Did they name numbers? No.

Did they have to? No; as you pointed out "it's common knowledge".

Karlosotmy, pointing that fact out doesn't help your case, as of now, even you are, and by extension you are saying that all of my professional gamer sites are saying:

"The PS3 at a lesser resolution looks better than the 360 at a higher resolution."

And if you're talking about a multiplatform port being bad because it's running at a lower resolution, then how can you hope to defend a in-house exclusive like Halo 3?

is pretty on ramb eh?

360: 720p looks equal/better
ps3: 640p looks equal/slightly blurrier (ok..errr... warmer)

Had the ps3 been forced to run at 720p, guess what would have happened?

THAT ANSWER is why the resolution is so significant, fellow gamer.

It is just so obvious and puts to rest all prior arguments/ subjective opinions!

Heck ya its faster. Another plus for the PS3. And the PS3 is so OG.

Yes, totally not worth it. Especially since we're not paying anything for it! No free features plz! You reek of fanboy man. Looking forward to it, I have my 360 hooked up to my computer monitor and next to my bedroom and at night it can seem loud. Less complaints from the Mrs. better for me!