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Crystal Dynamic creative director Noah Hughes took a numbers of fan questions on the Rise of the Tomb Raider forums about the game releasing on “other platforms.”

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-Foxtrot3998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

Which translates to

"Unfortunately, I still can’t announce anything as I'll be torn apart by higher ups and Microsoft, but I understand the question and I sympathize with the situation"

It's coming...we'll just have to wait. Hopefully not long.

I'm sorry but for me, playing this franchise from the PS1 onwards (PS2, PS3 etc) it's a PS thing.

Snookies123998d ago

I agree, I grew up playing Tomb Raider on my PS1 back in the day. It'll always be a PS kind of game for me, because of that.

-Foxtrot3998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

Yup. Even right down to the controller.

I couldn't play Tomb Raider with an Xbox controller. Same goes for GTA, MGS or Final Fantasy

Godmars2903998d ago

Oddly at this point Tomb Raider has become an Uncharted imitator that tries harder to put its protagonist in cinematic scenes. Never mind that the "original" Tomb Raider - and Indiana Jones - inspired Uncharted.

No really, Laura Croft is suppose to be a legitimate archeologist who just happens to find herself in dire situations involving an army of merc and possibly the supernatural, where Drake is a law skirting treasure hunter who actively deals with criminals.

That he also winds up in the middle of supernatural crap is besides the point.

Genuine-User3998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

People are quick to disagree.
You guys are spot on. I said something very similar to a friend the other day; regardless of the collaboration between Microsoft and Crystal Dynamics, I will always associate this franchise with the PlayStation brand. No amount of money-hatting will change that.

-Foxtrot3998d ago

@Godmars290

"Oddly at this point Tomb Raider has become an Uncharted imitator that tries harder to put its protagonist in cinematic scenes"

That's my problem with the reboot. It's not Tomb Raider.

However people think because you say or even think that then you "hate" the game or you think the game is "shit" when that's not true.

The reboot is great game in it's own right but when a game has to live up to a franchise which has it's own gameplay and mechanics then you turn it on it's head and make something different then it's like

"Why not just make a new IP"

There's been so many old franchises getting new games or instalments which do pretty well but at the end of the day don't feel like it's part of a franchise it's supposed to be representing. I won't both listing them as it will cause massive debates but there's a few.

Again it's not that you think they are "bad games" but like I've said it comes to "Why both making it XXXX franchise".

Tomb Raider was one of them.

As I've also said many times before if they wanted to have this "survival game" why create a new Lara Croft with a brand new origin story. Saying stuff like "See how a Legend is born" is silly because it's not the legend we grew up with....she's new.

If you just did the origin story of the old Lara Croft and set it in the Himalayas where she manages to survive 2 weeks after the plane crash that would be fantastic. How did she survive? What did she go through? What did she find in the mountains? You have 2 weeks worth of missing origin story of the old Croft that it would have been better making a prequel to the actual Tomb Raider games we grew up with.

Lng1010103998d ago

Yup yup. I agree with Foxtrot. Just like Final Fantasy games. Maybe the core XB1 gamers have changed, but I'll always associate the brand with dudebro gamers.

Utalkin2me3998d ago

I have purchased all but 1 tomb raider in the series, this will be number 2. Im going to speak with my wallet and show them its not a bright idea to do as such.

GameSpawn3998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

@Godmars290 & Foxtrot

Tomb Raider in a way influenced Uncharted as much as Uncharted influenced the Reboot. What Uncharted brought to Tomb Raider's table was the cinematic set pieces and character building. Tomb Raider as it originally was was a platforming/puzzler that had horrendously simple shooting mechanics (face a direction and fire away).

Tomb Raider did need to evolve to stay relevant this day and age. However, Tomb Raider is still missing many of the things that make Uncharted what it is and as such (at least to me) they will always be two different games. Mainly I think that "thing" is the play between characters. Uncharted runs along a fine line between serious action movie and lighthearted comedy - they have just enough comedic play with the characters to complement the times of serious action.

Tomb Raider (at least the Reboot) had none of this. Instead they kept playing the vulnerability angle so much with Lara (and Sam) that it was almost sickening. I know they wanted to go for an origin story and not make Lara like she was in the previous games out of the gate, but I really think they went a little too far in the wrong direction.

ABizzel13998d ago

If anyone needs sympathy it's Crystal because a good point of this was for XBO to have their Uncharted game for the holiday and not go head to head with Uncharted. But now Uncharted has slipped to early 2016 (and to be honest it would be funny and foul if they did it on purpose), and now CD spent that time trying to profit and dodge the uncharted bullet that they've forced Tomb Raider into launching against Uncharted or moving to Holiday 2016, and by then few will care anymore.

At this point they better launch January 1st 2016, because they've pretty much ruined the sales of Tomb Raider on PS4 (launching July / August might help since no games usually come out then, but Naughty Dog did launch TLoU then).

uptownsoul3998d ago

@-Foxtrot & all others

I was a bit in doubt a couple months back but the more Crystal Dynamics & Microsoft choose their words, the more I see it coming to PS4. I know some will say "other platform" could only mean PC but Microsoft is trying to bring PC gaming back to the fore, so why wouldn't they acknowledge a PC version (if that is all it is)? Not to mention Capcom showed everybody how to describe an exclusive with Street Fighter 5 a couple weeks ago.

Yeah, I think the growing consensus is that Tomb Raider is timed & will be coming to the PS4

Saranya3998d ago

Sorry bro, I grew up playing Street Fighter on my SNES.

bouzebbal3998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

but TR today isn't what it was at that time.
for me TR is a SEGA thing because my first TR was on SEGA Saturn.

Rise of TR had been confirmed on PS4 by Crystal Dynamics and Spencer. I don't understand why people keep bringing this subject up everytime

Khajiit863997d ago

Same here, Uncharted is today what Tomb Raider used to be.

gatormatt803997d ago (Edited 3997d ago )

ROTTR is in a tricky spot. First it seemed that SE and CD wanted to avoid UC4 and not have to compete against it on PS4 by going timed exclusive on Xbone. Then UC4 gets pushed to Spring 2016, and I'm sure SE and CD are kicking themselves now since they could've really benefited by releasing on PS4 this holiday. E3 then comes along and Bethesda announces Fallout 4 to release on the same day as ROTTR. Obviously these are unforseen circumstances, but I sure can't wait to see how this plays out...

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Am-No-Hero3998d ago

I feel you man , they don't want to say it because if they , most of the fans will wait until it comes to PS4
cuz some will buy the Xbox to play the game

deadpoolio3163998d ago

No they wont...Tomb Raider is going to get destroyed..Its not going to sell, and because its buried in a mountain of bigger more anticipated multiplats SE is going to end up losing money over this...

When it has to compete with games like Fallout, COD, Halo, Forza just off the top of my head. Its a game that is going to be forgotten about by bigger better titles either MS made or 3rd party multiplats, that will have to be released on PS4 just to try and break even and even there its not going to get a lot of attention

Baka-akaB3998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

It's still going to sell , however angry people are (myself a bit included) . The first game still got released the same month than titles like Bioshock infinite , Gears of War judgement , God of War ascension , Starcraft 2 Heart of the Swarm , Naruto Ninja Storm 3 , SIm City , and sold well .

Better than as a multiplatform ? That i dunno and doubt .

Still in its genre , it wont have any competition but the Uncharted Collection

ABizzel13998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

@deadpoolio316

It's still going to sell, just not as well as Square or CD will probably want.

If they were expecting 5m - 6m on last gen and PC, and it took them re-releasing the game on current-gen to finally hit that goal (and mainly thanks to the PS4), they should already know they've f@$#ed this up if 5m is still their goal.

The game sold around 2m - 2.5m copies across 360 and XBO (with 360 taking just under 2m), but sales are dwindling on last gen and XBO hasn't made enough ground to cover that transition (which is why they're really banking on this holiday to boost sales, which they should get).

I only see this game selling 2m tops between XBO and 360 (which is good), but with all these huge games coming out. And as you said COD, Halo, and Fallout (which launches on the same day) are all huge sellers (normally +10m).

Well nevermind....

This game is in trouble of being overshadowed, and the only good thing it has going for it, besides being a good game, is that it's a different genre from them. Halo, COD, Fallout 3, and Star Wars are going to eat up the Holiday sales on Xbox, with Tomb Raider left picking up scraps.

Being pushed back to 2016 at the earliest on other platforms means it has to go up against the PS4's heavy hitters which launch that year as well. If they want any remote chance of selling on PS4 then they need to launch in January or in July and at a reduced price if the launch in July (which isn't going to happen).

They literally killed the sells of this game before it even went on sale, all for the sake of a timed exclusive deal just to get away from Uncharted, and only to still end up launching the same year as Uncharted.

Best of luck to them, because had they not made this deal they would have at least have all the PS fans to themselves who would be buying both Uncharted Collection and Tomb Raider to get ready for Uncharted 4.

#Karma

styferion3998d ago

Maybe earlier, but now that Fallout 4 slated to release the exact same day as TR fewer will buy XB1 to play TR. Add to that Halo and Battlefront in the same window, maybe XB1 sales will go up but TR sales will drop hard.

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MasterCornholio3998d ago

I enjoyed the definitive edition on my PS4. Hopefully I don't have to wait long to play this one on my Console.

pyramidshead3998d ago

Knowing that it's coming is enough for me, even if it's a year.

There's a difference in buying a game and buying a system as well as the game just to play it. If it's coming eventually to a place where the majority of my games are then I can wait.

Plenty of games between now and then to keep occupied. Plus it will probably be the superior version too no doubt.

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Hold_It3998d ago

@Godmars, at least Tomb Raider is more about gameplay than being mostly a playable $60 MP4 marketed as a video game. Tomb Raider has been around longer than Uncharted and you can tell Uncharted was trying to be a blatant rip off of Tomb Raider with it's character a more sarcastic gender bent Laura Croft, and the original name of Uncharted was actually Dude Raider , but was changed for obvious reasons.

I've been a fan of Tomb Raider since the first one when it came to PC along with the sequels that was called Gold Edition because it came with more content than the original games. I like that they made Laura more human, and more believeable than her kinda being a badass for experience you didn't really get to see grow from something.

-Foxtrot3998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

"Uncharted was trying to be a blatant rip off of Tomb Raider with it's character a more sarcastic gender bent Laura Croft"

<Sigh>

Really sick of that comparison

Uncharted is NOTHING like the old Tomb Raider games. The only thing they have in common is that they both hunt lost treasures and have platforming elements.

Did Lara Croft always seek out trouble like Nathan Drakes does...no, trouble found her.

Did Lara Croft take on wave, after wave of enemies...no, it was more about puzzles and climbing.

Did Lara Croft get into cover as she sprayed enemies with any gun she could find while rolling around to dodge bullets....nope

What about QTE, near death experiences or those moments when something goes wrong and she ends up constantly hurting her self. Nope.

Uncharted was not trying to be like Tomb Raider. It was just being it's self...unlike the reboot which is taking far too much from Uncharted

Baka-akaB3998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

Uncharted got more to do with Gears of War than with the original Tomb Raider serie . Hell it's essentially a tps with an indiana jones theme (which Tomb raider doesnt own)

filipakos3998d ago

They are trying so hard to reach uncharted level that they are "destroying" the history of the franchise.Also can someone explain to me why lara is the most unfortunate person on planet earth?I know that trouble finds her but man everything goes wrong all the time especially in the latest gameplay that was shown on E3

pandaboy3998d ago

haha you're a fan of tomb raider yet you think the protagonist is called 'Laura Croft'. That's like a fan of Uncharted thinking the protagonist is called Nicholas Drake.

johndoe112113998d ago

I feel like I need to take a bath after reading your comment.

outsider16243998d ago

"I've been a fan of Tomb Raider since the first one"...
....Laura Croft eh?

Imalwaysright3998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

"Uncharted is NOTHING like the old Tomb Raider games."

Yes it is. It follows the template that Tr set as standard for action adventure games in 1996. TR was 1st game to have ALL the elements that we associate with action adventure games. It was made in 1996 when 3d was starting to take over this industry and it was the 1st game to have exploration, puzzle solving, platforming, climbing, shooting bad guys and swimming combined in a single package. TR sequels added hand to hand combat, stealth, driving vehicles and more to that template.

What ND did was to fine tune that template with gameplay mechanics that fit today's standards but unlike TR which focus more on exploration and platforming they focused more on shooting while adding their cinematic flair.

@ Baka-akaB If we apply that logic then there is no such thing as revolutionary games and games that move this industry forward. By that logic Donkey kong wouldn't be the 1st platformer because someone decided to jump an obstacle in a movie 80 years before Myamoto conceptualized and designed the game that is known as one of the most revolutionary games ever made.

Baka-akaB3997d ago (Edited 3997d ago )

Uh ? It wasnt even a critic about originality . Will you go off if i say that Half life is of the same genre than Quake ?

Uncharted IS a response to a popular TPS like Gears of War , and yet did its own thing and different twist on tps shooting and adventure . Didnt it only add online on the second title after all , when it's so integral to Gears ?

And no Tomb Raider and Uncharted didnt have much in common till the TR reboot beyond the Indie theme . Which doesnt mean Naughty was inspired by TR's own success . Still TR had a big emphases on puzzles and platforming than Uncharted never had .

TR was never as cinematic driven either . And you barely explore anything nor solve any puzzle in Uncharted , you're enacting and playing an action movie with a bit of platforming styled after movies like Indiana , Romancing the Stone with Michael Douglas , and yes stories like Tomb Raider

The difference have never been more obvious to TR fans , with the first part of the reboot chasing so intensely after Uncharted .

Imalwaysright3997d ago (Edited 3997d ago )

@ Baka

The Drake and Lara do EXACTLY the same things in their games. They explore, they jump and climb obstacles, the kill their enemies, they solve puzzles... How the hell aren't those games similar? Have you even played TR and Uncharted? The difference between old TR games and Uncharted is that ND focused more on the shooting and that ND fine-tuned that formula with gameplay mechanics taken from other franchises to make that formula fit today's standards. A formula that was set as standard for ALL action adventure games by TR and that Uncharted does follow.

By saying that that formula belongs to a movie then you're essetially saying that NO game is revolutionary and that NO game moved this industry forward because what we see in games we saw years ago in movies. Also by that logic then TR reboot and Rise of TR weren't inpired by Uncharted but by Indiana Jones. It's a 2 way street.

Baka-akaB3997d ago (Edited 3997d ago )

What do you even explore in Uncharted ? It's a game with a very linear pathing and set pieces . Wich again isnt a negative thing , since i need to precise it now . It's a different outlook and design decision

Take one of the recent Tomb Raider games before the reboot : Underworld and Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light. Underworld - Despite what we thing of it - beneath the junk lay some ambitious puzzles. The puzzles would span entire levels . And guardians was full of two-player puzzles .

And let's not even get started on puzzles solving in Uncharted . It's even below stuff you'd find in God of War (again not criticism just observations ) . Most of the mysteries in UC1 to 3 , unfold during storytelling and plot exposition , not so much in gameplay

Imo you're trying to turn different philosophies and goals for those games , into minor differences . Another thing we wont agree upon tonight

"By saying that that formula belongs to a movie then you're essetially saying that NO game is revolutionary and that NO game moved this industry forward because what we see in games we saw years ago in movies."

What ? Having inspiration from those never detracts from having original concepts and game , so stop trying to push that idea into my mouth .

It's actually a good thing that we can now with tech , get something as cinematic driven but fully interactive like Uncharted (or the Max Payne trilogy) that push the envelop beyond those movies .

There is no shame or complex from those games being inspired by such experiences , since they made it their own ..

Anyway i give up ... we dont seem to understand each other at all

Imalwaysright3997d ago (Edited 3997d ago )

ND devs disagree with you

http://www.gameranx.com/upd...

"Every Uncharted game continues to push for this sense of adventure and wonder – it’s about exploring places, right? Literally going off the map, going uncharted, but keeping you on the stick. We know [staying in control] creates a sense of adventure in the player"

I agree that Uncharted doesn't have much puzzle solving BUT there are puzzles for you to solve in ALL Uncharted games.

I'm not just talking about "philosophies", I'm talking about concepts, formulas and templates. A difference in "philosophies" doesn't change the fact that both Crystal Dynamics TR games and Uncharted follow the template that was set by Core designs in 1996 for ALL action adventure games.

I'm not trying to put anything in your mouth. You're the one that said:

"Hell it's essentially a tps with an indiana jones theme"

kenshiro1003997d ago

You're kidding me, right?

Sheikh Yerbouti3997d ago

You don't sound like an old school Tomb Raider fan talking non-sense; TR was more a puzzle platformer, not a shooter with those elements.

Uncharted has same story elements as the whole of Tomb Raider, but it is not just a Tomb Raider with testicles. Unless testicles means cover mechanics gameplay.

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medman3998d ago

I don't know about this headline, because I'm kind of sympathizing with Lara, who got snapped up in a timed exclusivity deal, only to be dropped off two weeks after Halo, the same day as Fallout 4, and a week before Star Wars Battlefront. Oh, and add Assassin's Creed and Cod to that mix. And also MGSV, which gamers will no doubt still be playing in November. Now that deserves sympathy.

-Foxtrot3998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

They did the same with Alan Wake. It released on the same day as Red Dead Redemption...why would you do that

They could have moved Alan Wakes release date as the coming month was free but no, they let it sit there.

I think they are scared to delay it...but with Fallout 4, Halo 5, Assassins Creed, Call of Duty and Battlefront...they really should.

jetlian3998d ago

Alan wake failed just because of the type of game it is rdr had nothing to do with it. AW was sp and horror and not very long.

TR will be fine. If my money was tight I would choose it over those other games

ABizzel13998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

@jetlian

You would, but not the 10m other people who buy those games.

*Call of Dutys sells 20m among PS360 / PC / PS4 / XBO
*Fallout 3 sold 10m among PS360 / PC
*Halo Main Series sells 10m on it's console
*Assassin's Creed usually sells 10m on console (Unity was an awful port and still went on to sell nearly 7m)

And if Star Wars gets the Battlefield crowd then that's another 10m seller, all launching within a month of Tomb Raider which its predecessor struggled to sell 2m copies between 360 and XBO.

Lara's about to get smashed, when should could of at least had a chance of selling well had they left the game multiplat since the Action Adventure genre is strongest on PS, and the game sold best on PS. This is TitanFall all over again, but far worse.

5m - 6m was the goal for the last game, which took them re-releasing on next-gen at launch and reduced prices across the board to make up, well they'll be lucky if they see 4m with Rise of the Tomb Raider.

XBO holiday is to packed with games that constantly break the 10m sales mark, and 2016 Sony's first party is finally ready to make waves and Uncharted 4 will eat Lara if they launch remotely close together, and then we're back at the holiday season all over again with a 1 year old game that's pretty much leaked across n4g by now, and more than likely a $60 price going up against the next batch of 10m sellers.

It's only hope is a January 2016, July 2016, or January 2017 launch and hope the hearts of PS gamers forgive them, because no game that I can remember has launched a year late to a console and sold better than the first launch (it's a struggle for most games to even make it to half those sales).

optimus3997d ago

Interesting; medman copied and pasted that comment from another that was left in the article...

why do people talk (and some hope) that it sells horribly? There is a game for everyone. Not everyone will buy fallout 4 (fallout 3 was one of the worst games i've played...ever)...not everyone will buy battlefront because it's mostly a multiplayer game. Is it that hard to believe that not everyone enjoys multiplayer gaming? Geeze!...
How well did the last assassins creed sell (without console bundles)? I know i didn't buy it, and don't plan to anytime soon...

Tomb raider has it's own niche and a lot of people liked the reboot and i'm fairly certain those same people will be picking up the 2nd one regardless of what else is out there at the time...i for one am looking forward to it.

rainslacker3997d ago (Edited 3997d ago )

I don't think he's hoping it will fail, I think it's just a realistic outlook based on what the game has to compete with. All games compete with one another, and the competition is pretty heavy this holiday. TR, while a popular IP, doesn't have the name it used to to entice people over some of the other big names. TR would be best served either delaying it to Jan/Feb, or just releasing in September if possible. The marketing for games this holiday is going to be insane, and MS is going to focus most of their efforts on Halo 5 instead of really taking the effort for TR since they don't have to counter UC4 this holiday anymore. It's pretty much written on the wall. I bet the only commercials we get for TR this holiday are going to be in compilation type ads showing lots of games. It's pretty much gone from a feature game to a round out the edges kind of game.

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Sevir3998d ago

Ugh, they need to give it a rest already. MS has it this fall, it looks great, but really what do you want them to do?

After seeing uncharted 4 are you really complaining about Rise of the Tomb Raider? Let them enjoy it...

"Square Enix sympathizesympathized with FF7 fans on other platforms"

Minato-Namikaze3998d ago

Ff7 has always been associated with playstation tho.

jb2273998d ago

Yup pretty much exactly that. The way MS is having to be specific when stating "this year" & "holiday 2015" more & more recently my guess is that it'll hit all other platforms at some point in 2016, most likely sooner rather than later. If the sales aren't great on MS platforms, my guess is that we will get an official announcement first thing come 2016

Fin_The_Human3998d ago

Yeah its coming and if anyone thinks its not the are blind.

Same with Street fighter...MS will get the Super Edition.

ABizzel13998d ago

Sorry to burst your bubble Fin, but SFV isn't happening for XBO at least. Maybe XB4.

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

Fin_The_Human3998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

Bizz SFV is not coming but who said SFV Turbo edition is not coming.

This is Capcom we are talking about.

I am sure they will pull a Ninja Gaiden.

ShadowWolf7123997d ago

There are no Super or Turbo editions. They're doing updates only. And honestly, given how Sony's funding the development and providing manpower to make it, it goes nowhere without their say-so. Capcom's not gonna be in a position to simply buy out Sony's investment to release it on another platform, and they don't magically get the rights to port it elsewhere just because they slapped a "super" adjective on the cover.

jb2273997d ago

That's an interesting situation for sure. I know that MS is working towards streaming XBO games on PC but has there been any talk of streaming PC games on XBO? If something like that happens then a workaround would be available for XBO players to play SFV in its first incarnation.

At the end of the day I wish all gamers would get to enjoy the games they like regardless of platform w/o having to shell out for an XBO, PS4, PC & Wii U...I personally think either gaming needs a clean slate where we toss all existing franchises out the window & start fresh, or console manufacturers go forward spending money solely on first party & stop w/ all of the timed, second & third party exclusive stuff, in most instances money spent on those things is ultimately money wasted. First party games are typically the best titles, and regardless of what these devs are saying, most of these titles would exist w/ or w/o any outside involvement. Gaming would benefit so much if consoles would no longer hand money over to third parties & instead spend every penny in house.

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modelgod3998d ago (Edited 3998d ago )

It's definitely coming to the ps4 and although I have a x1 I'm actually a little jealous. You'll be getting a GOTY edition packed with ALL the DLC's for 59.99$ while I spend around 100$ after purchasing all the DLC. I just hope they do away with the MP, it was a cool thought but drained me achievement wise. I HAVE to get every achievement for EVERY game I play; just as a sense of accomplishment.

oasdada3998d ago

Lol i was also gonna say this and final fantasy but i see uve already mentioned it

gamer78043998d ago

Uhh no. Its a pc game first and foremost. Sony paid for cosole exclusivity on TR2 though.

TheXgamerLive3998d ago

Yea because I havent at all played it on Sega Saturn and Xbox platforms.

Magicite3998d ago

They will port it to PS4 and PC for sure, not so sure about PS3 though.

Lukejrl3998d ago

I did a whole blog on the subject. It was called "A rose by any other name would smell .... sweeter" I wrote it based on final fantasy 13 making such monumental changes. I talk about other games too. But Yea. Might as well made a new ip.

bjmartynhak3998d ago

They could be clear on this kind of things.

At least Sony was with FFVII Remake being first on PS4, same with World of Fantasy and also with Shenmue III being a PC and PS4 kickstarter

thelwebb1003998d ago

Meh, I'd agree with you if this was back in the pS2 era. But now that XB1 and PS4 are so similar, it doesn't matter if I play Tomb Raider, MGS, or GTA. Fighting games are a different story though!

Thatguy-3103997d ago

I sympathize for them on the lack of sells the game will receive this holiday.

BallsEye3997d ago (Edited 3997d ago )

Well, it better be becaus it's e3 presentation kicked some uncharted poopers. The graphics, the action, just mind blowing!

Dirtnapstor3997d ago

I will have to patiently wait to purchase ROTTR for my PS4. Hopefully not too long into '16. Until then I'll rent the incoming TR goodness.

mokkeyrg23997d ago

The first Tomb Raider was release first on sega saturn

343_Guilty_Spark3997d ago

No evidence that leads one to believe it will appear on PS4.

Timed does not equal PS4.

It's almost assuredly going to PC though.

ManOfTheYear13997d ago

The day Dead Raising 3 makes it to PS4 is the day we will see Rise of the Tomb Raider on PS4....

Until then, Raise of the Tomb raider will NOT see the light of day on the PS4.

Sheikh Yerbouti3997d ago

Raise of the TR won't, but RISE of the TR most likely will.

I'll make a sure I'll pick up Dead Rising when I buy it.

ManOfTheYear13996d ago

Delusion runs deep in anyone who thinks Rise of the Tomb Raider will be on PS4.

Phil has already said it's the same deal as is Dead Raising 2.
Phil has said he's not going to be invest in a game for it to be on the competition's platform.
Aaron G has already confirmed MS is producing the game...

People need to understand, "timed exclusive" means it's going to 360 and PC. Nothing more, nothing less.

Azzanation3997d ago

It shouldn't matter, soon both consoles will be cheap enough to own both. If you really want that PS Tomb Raider feeling then buy it on PC and use your DS4 controller.

kstuffs3997d ago

And yet the first TR was on Sega. Guess who stole it afterward? Tell that to the Sega fans.

-Foxtrot3997d ago

LOL...Sony never stole it the developers put it on there since the Sega Saturn was dying

maybelovehate3997d ago

Interesting, I always viewed it as a PC series. But to me it doesn't really matter what I play it on.

StarLord_Who3997d ago (Edited 3997d ago )

"So you said it's a ps game" and "It's not the same Tomb Raider anymore" in the same discussion?

Doesn't that undermine your own argument, it went from "this is our game!" to "it's changed too much to be that same Tomb Raider game anymore but i'll complain anyway because it's not on the console i own."

Don't get me wrong, the exclusivity deals, be it for games or early DLC, make me sick from both MS and Sony but i get the feeling that (automatically) the Street Fighter V deal doesn't make you very sad at all. Stop being human and think about the people on both sides who lose out instead of yourself.

Or just buy all three consoles and be pessimistic like me...

PsVitaBuzz3997d ago

Well....I associate it with saturn and pc...but that isn't going to stop me not playing it on my x1. Jesus...

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Godmars2903998d ago

But they still pocketed the money to make it "exclusive". Which then only makes more sense to absently admit that its only a limited exclusive, which then leaves them with even more pissed off "fans".

KingKionic 3998d ago

Well Microsoft has been clear :

HOLIDAY 2015

As for other platforms that remains to be seen.

As for your "pocketed money" what about d about Street Fighter V? but I dont see anyone talking much about that.

Its a even bigger deal with Sony and Capcom said there will be no Xbox one version of Street Fighter V or the Editions.

Lol no outrage,no tears, and no broken tables.

Which is surprise how sony could even make that happen to be honest.

Must be a lot of cash put into the development of the title beyond just a simple timed exclusive.

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Godmars2903998d ago

Yeah. SFV being PS4/PC-only sucks, but at dragonfly pointed out, Sony's covering its production. It was not a project that was announce prior to be coming out, then the next time you hear about it its suddenly exclusive to one platform when it had been on three beforehand.

Again, as someone who will likely never buy an XB0, it sucks that its the only platform being excluded, but then the Tomb Raider sequel had been announced before it became exclusive. It was bad form on Square's part doing it like that, not MS's even if they aren't wholly innocent.

KingKionic 3998d ago

"but at dragonfly pointed out, Sony's covering its production. It was not a project that was announce prior to be coming out, then the next time you hear about it its suddenly exclusive to one platform when it had been on three beforehand"

Rise of Tomb raider was never announced for any other platforms after Microsoft conference at e3 2014 where it was announced.

I dont think a lot of people realize that. Even Crystal Dynamics admitted there partnership with Microsfot isn't new.

http://www.destructoid.com/...

parkesy783998d ago

Big difference sony funded development of street fighter 5 it would of been made eventually probably but not this year without sony capcom isnt in great shape finacialy ,crystal dynamics is different they were already making tombraider microsoft just came in after a year and paid them to withold it from sony platforms thats why people are pissed off

Godmars2903998d ago

A trailer was shown the year before, but no real announcements around it were made.

Again, Square is horrible in regards to showing things off too soon and exclusivity. FF13, which was once PS3 only, is proof of that. All the times they showed off Versus before it became FF15.

FF7 will likely be on an Xbox console once its released after 2020.

jb2273998d ago

I don't think MS has been that clear at all. Seems to me that CD are having to course correct them, they implied it was a full exclusive when it was announced and they had to roll back on that, then Phil insinuated MS & PC exclusivity when he compared the situation to games like Ryse & Dead Rising when it's actually not like that at all. I don't blame MS for fostering the idea that it won't hit PS4 because that's why they spent money on the timed exclusivity, but they've been about as clear as mud in regards to the situation. The only honest statement was the one from Spencer that said his "contract has a duration, I don't own the ip"

It really seems to me that CD is feeling the heat from the fans & there must have been conversations between them & MS regarding rolling back their statements that allude to full exclusivity and instead being sure to include the "this year" & "holiday 2015" in every showing and statement so they don't lose any more good will from their fans.

Seafort3998d ago

@parkesy78 Microsoft are also withholding the game from their supposed other platform as well.

This isn't just Playstation TR fans that's got the elbow but PC TR fans as well.

I see it as MS being MS and doing whatever it takes to make a profit no matter the cost.

Their arrogance and greed will bite them in ass at some point.

Haru3998d ago

It's funny how even Sony supports PC more than Microsoft does, despite pc being a platform owned by microsoft

mokkeyrg23997d ago

they sold a building for that deal lol

styferion3997d ago

seriously? SFV exclusivity didn't cause an outrage because most of the fanbase is in PS platforms. The same can be said for TR, most of the fanbase is in PS4 that's why it caused controversy.

Here let me spell it out for you: it's not because XB fanboys wiser than PS4 fanboys. It's simple logic of the majority of fanbase are isolated, none of those lame theory of 'this particular camp is better than those particular camp', pfft.

PsVitaBuzz3997d ago

Yeh exactly....all that honour and samurai rubbish will be the downfall of japan. Oh well....they never learn

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jay23998d ago

Nah, you're just wiping your bum with MS $$$$$$$. All I can say is bring it on, I'll pick it up day one, on PS4.

Captain_Wormy3998d ago

They probably regret making it an Xbox timed exclusive over PS4.

seanpitt233998d ago

Yeah this game would easily sell 4+ miillion on the ps4 so Microsoft must of paid them handsomly to get the timed exclusive.

MasterCornholio3998d ago

Probably but back then many people believed that Microsoft would outsell Sony.

I would say blame the people who came up with those predictions .

Minato-Namikaze3998d ago

Even if they thought that. Not sure why anybody in their right mind would think the xbone had a chance to outsell the ps4.

MasterCornholio3998d ago

@Minato

Why don't you ask Patcher that question?

I would love to know why analists like him thought that the XB1 would outsell the PS4

ABizzel13998d ago

Because for some stupid Americans, America = World.

Thankfully those of us who knew better saw this coming from a mile away.

The PS3 launched a year later, with a max $200 price difference, and all kinds of media and developer backlash, worse 3rd party ports, and eventually had the PSN attack. Yet 6 - 8 years later their exclusive games took home the most GOTY awards of any console maker, came back and outsold the Xbox 360 globally.

Looking at the region breakdown of the consoles PS3 sold around 10m more consoles than 360 in EU, JP, and about 4m more around the globe. 360 won NA by around 19m.

We already knew the Wii U was struggling which meant there was a chunk of new gamers looking for a core console, and meant NA sales would be split between XBO and PS4 going into this gen (instead of like 360 and Wii last gen). So that meant that at worse we were looking at Xbox winning NA 50m to PS4's 40m. But once again PS4 should have clearly won EU by 5m - 10m (if XBO gained ground), JP by 10m (Xbox in JP was a lost cause 2 gens in a row), and RoW would at best be neck and neck. Which means both consoles would at best for XBO, been neck and neck with PS4 edging out XBO by 5m - 10m in the best case scenario for MS.

Basically 90m XBO vs 95m - 105m PS4.

Now enter current-gen. The XBO now has all the media and developer backlash the PS3 launched with, DRM fiasco, weaker hardware, no 1 year head-start, and cost $100 more.

That should have instantly pointed towards PS4 taking global sales by a good margin to the point where NA would most likely break even 45m vs 45m, PS4 grew it's EU lead from 10m to 15m, JP would still be a 10m lead for PS4, and the RoW market would move from the PS4 lead from 3m to 5m.

XBO: 80m - 85m (just like 360)
PS4: 110m

But no one knew just how bad this would hit the XBO (I did, seeing how it knocked Sony's huge success with the PS2 +150m, down to the +80m PS3), and at one point MS was selling well below the PS3 and 360 YoY until the price drops, bundles, Kinectless SKU, and promotions started hitting, and now they're doing good; however, the damage is done and now the NA market is still close to a split, but Sony has the lead. EU is completely dominated by PlayStation with some countries seeing sales ratios as large as 9:1 / 10:1 in favor of PS. JP hasn't been good to any console, but XBO has seen the worse it's ever seen in JP meanwhile PS4 and Wii U are picking up some pace. And new markets are opening for the RoW like China and PS4 is thriving in those regions well XBO is only doing okay.

To fix this I think all MS has to do is come out and apologize for all the mess at launch, promise to support the XBO for the rest of this generation, and let fans know they're going to do their best to make the XB4 the best console on the market next-gen, because it's too late for the XBO to comeback and win the sales war.

XBO: 75m
PS4: At least 110m

ZorinInc3997d ago

Back then? What?! The deal was only announced 12 Aug 2014 and the developers were not even aware until the public. The Xbox One was way behind the PS4 at that point.

If Rise of the Tomb Raider was coming out for PS4 and PC I don't think Square would be bothering with the 360.

Microsoft have essentially paid to make the game worse for everyone by including a last generation system holding it back.

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jznrpg1120d ago (Edited 1120d ago )

Zero Dawn sold really well so I’m not sure this belongs. The second game released next to a big game again and it hurt it some I forget what it was though, oh yeah Elden Ring .
But a good game is a good game to me I don’t care when they release personally but they do have to think about it when you want to get more people to buy it.

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isarai1233d ago (Edited 1233d ago )

Deserves less IMO, i think the 1st in the new trilogy was a perfect 1st step for the new direction. The next 2 games were half steps at best. Not only that, every character in the series including Lara is just annoying and doesn't make sense in terms of motive, like yes they have a motive, but none of it seems proportional to the lengths they are willing to go through for it. The most annoying thing is every one of the games say "become the Tomb Raider" yet 3 games later and we're still not there? No thanks. Then there's the mess of the 3rd game, massive skill tree that serves almost no purpose as there's literally only like 3-4 short encounters in the whole game, and they took till the 3rd game to finally manage some decent puzzles even remotely close to previous games in the series. Nah, the trilogy infuriated me to no end as a long time fan of the series, i hope we get better going forward cause that crap sucked.

Army_of_Darkness1232d ago

The first in the trilogy was my favorite. I thought they were going into the right direction with that one until the second one came out and seemed like a graphical downgrade but the gameplay was okay. As for the Third, Graphics were really nice but it was kinda boring me to death with its non-stop platforming and exploring with not enough action! Well, for me anyway...

DeathTouch1232d ago

Graphics on the 3rd one were abysmal. It’s more colorful and has more variety, but everything else was a noticeable downgrade.

The more open world with NPC quests was also handled very poorly, to the point I missed Angel of Darkness.

thesoftware7301232d ago

I know it is your opinion, but she did progress as a character in each game, she even got more muscular and seasoned.

That is the thing, people first complained that there was not enough platforming and actual tomb raiding in the first and second games. Shadow remedied that and kept the combat elements.

3-4 encounters? huh? did we play the same game? there was plenty of combat and, the skill tree did matter, like being able to hang enemies from trees, set explosives traps on bodies, being able to counter, and that are just a few of the combat skills. The skill tree also had things like being able to hold your breath underwater longer, crafting upgrades, zipline upgrade, and climbing upgrades that all changed how you can approach situations.

Not knocking your opinion, but we definitely had different experiences. I had 98% completion on the shadow.

SoulWarrior1232d ago (Edited 1232d ago )

Sorry but i'm with him about the low number of encounters, the game throws loads of weapons and skills you're way with a comparatively low amount of places to actually use them, so they felt under utilised.

-Foxtrot1233d ago

Yeah...no

It was awful, for THREE GAMES it was "become the Tomb Raider" where she went back to square one after each game. Not to mention after a huge reaction of killing someone for the first time she then becomes Rambo straight after and goes on a slaughter spree without a single other reaction. Her development was all over the place.

She was whiney, weak and in later game a little arrogant and selfish

Oh and the voice actress compared to the previous ones was not as good

Lara Croft deserved better and while they are decent games as they are, we deserved actual Tomb Raider games, we could have had better survival games if they just stuck with the original Lara Crofts origin about her plane going down. Surviving 2 weeks in the Himalayas...I'd have liked to seen that, who knows what mystical threat she could have faced in the mountains or underground some secret concealed cave.

Tacoboto1232d ago

I thought Shadow of the Tomb Raider had better gameplay than Rise, but it annoyed me the most of the trilogy when I stopped to think about the story.

It's like they deliberately decided to make her unlikeable and did nothing to make the character you're playing as likeable or have even one sign of humility.

SoulWarrior1233d ago

2013 I thought was a fine entry, but Rise and especially Shadow were painfully mediocre follow ups imo, I really didn't like how selfish and angry her character was in those two.

Terry_B1232d ago

No. Please forget the crap completely.

northpaws1232d ago

First one was decent, played through it twice.
Second one was okay, played through it once.
Third one was really bad, tried twice a year apart, still can't get through the first two hours, it is just really bad.

thesoftware7301232d ago

Honest question, what did you find bad about it? the opening 2 hrs of Shadow were fantastic imo.

The opening was very similar to the first 2, what did you find really bad?

Not looking for an argument, just an honest question.

Starman691232d ago

3rd one just didn't feel like a tomb raider game. Possibly because the development was passed to another development team. Big mistake! Microsoft killed tomb raider making the first game a timed exclusive. Never recovered after that.

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CrimsonWing691612d ago (Edited 1612d ago )

They're all solid games, but nothing quite matched the epicness of the first one for me. I think the 3rd one started off strong but once you got to that Peruvian area it took a massive nose dive for me.

lelo2play1612d ago (Edited 1612d ago )

You got to be kidding!
The first one was great at the time... but this latest trilogy of Tomb Raider games are also great.

LiViNgLeGaCY1612d ago

I think he means the first one in the new trilogy.

CrimsonWing691612d ago

I meant the first of the new trilogy.

Furesis1612d ago

yeah i remember liking the first one when it came out, so i tried the second one sometime after release and i just could not get into it, i couldn't finish it. So i might try the 3rd now that i got it for free but ehh. But i do remember enjoying the first one, i wonder if i'd feel the same way if i played it today? Better not taint those memories lol

ANIALATOR1361612d ago

I was the same for some reason. Never finished the second one. I got like half way through maybe.

ActualWhiteMan1611d ago (Edited 1611d ago )

The first one of the latest trilogy is a masterpiece

Fishy Fingers1612d ago

I'll take a copy of Shadow... Cheers.

Profchaos1612d ago

Great games I've played them all on ps4 but it'll be good to finally try shadow on my rtx card.

Double_O_Revan1612d ago

Trying to claim them and the store keeps crashing. lol.

gamefreaks3651612d ago

EGS has been having issues all day.

RedDevils1612d ago

Weird I don't has that issue.

Double_O_Revan1612d ago

I finally got it after a while. But it was real bad for a while.

PeeShuter1612d ago (Edited 1612d ago )

Claim games by going to the website and login using ur credentials. I did the same as i couldnt use epic launcher. Also try reinstalling Epic Launcher I did it and it worked.

Double_O_Revan1612d ago

I always go through the website. It was all just down for a while yesterday it seems.

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