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RFoM : Physics

Some guy posted on Youtube two nice videos showing RFoM's physics engine capacities. Pretty nice stuff for the most.












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marcusfenix7105d ago

Very LAME, if that is the physics the PS3 can produce that is a shame.

THWIP7105d ago (Edited 7105d ago )

The fact that EVERY sign/lamp post bent in EXACTLY the same places....AND there was no deformation of the metal...no hole either....it INCREDIBLY lame, and unrealistic. I also loved how the guy was aiming DIRECTLY at the "20" on the sign, and yet the lamp post BEHIND it fell over instead. :D

Sorry , but the guys at Insomniac OBVIOUSLY failed Physics in high school. :o

Bill Nye7105d ago (Edited 7105d ago )

OK, name a game right now that attempts metal deformation like this and reacts more realistically. Then, find videos and post it.

And the reason why the lamp post bent when he wasn't aiming at it is because he was using a shotgun. And you know... shotguns shoot shells that contain pellets that spray out, not like bullets.

Why don't you guys rag on the fact that the chair would not break in the second video when the table right next to it shattered to pieces?

THWIP7105d ago (Edited 7105d ago )

For a self-proclaimed "Science Guy", you sure don't know jack about physics....PARTICULARLY about ballistics. :o

For starters, the signs/lamp posts react EXACTLY THE SAME, regardless of where they are shot. This is all 100% canned animation, which is VERY easy to show...but is useless, in terms of gameplay. This is no more impressive, than the GeoMod in Red Faction..... A PS2 LAUNCH TITLE!
Again, there are NO bullet holes, NO dents, NO paint flying off the sign...just poles that bend in 3 predetermined places...that's all.

And, btw, if you shoot at a steel lamp post with a shotgun, from 10 feet away, you MIGHT,in reality, put a big hole or deep dent in it (neither of which is shown here). You WOULD NOT cause it to bend over, in a couple places, like it's being pushed over by a truck. THAT is a fact...and I don't need to post a video to prove it. Certainly, if only a small percentage of the lead shot scattered to the side, while aiming at an object 5 feet in front of the sign,and hit the lamp post...IT WOULD NOT BEND AT ALL. At the most, you'd get some surface scarring and sparks...PERIOD.

Class dismissed.

THWIP7105d ago (Edited 7105d ago )

Yes, it's EQUALLY pathetic...but then again, I didn't bother watching it before I posted initially. After what I saw in the 1st vid, I'd seen all I needed to, to know what a joke the "physics" in this game truly is. The 2nd vid only serves to reinforce that fact. The bullet-proof billiard balls was AMAZING. :o

Phytonadione7105d ago

there is no way you would put a deep dent into a steel lamp post, nevertheless a big hole. Secondly, lamp posts (and traffic signals) are designed/engineered to bend/break at certain spots, in order to minimalize damage when car accidents occur. If you don't believe me, go take a shotgun and shoot up a steel lamp post or go take your car (if you're old enough) and ram it into said lamp post or traffic signal.

THWIP7104d ago

...you are a f***ing moron. There, I said it.

So, class reconvenes....

- "there is no way you would put a deep dent into a steel lamp post, nevertheless a big hole"

Oh really? So, you've never fired a heavy gauge shotgun in your short life EITHER, I see.
When I was a teenager (35 now), we used to target practice at a landfill on my grandfather's farm. Appliances, furniture, bottles, cookware....you name it, I've shot it.
We used anything from high-powered rifles (270, 30-06, .30 cal, etc) to Remington and Mossberg shotguns (16, 12 & 20 gauge). We experimented with heavy (4-6 shot) and express load, and some slugs, in the shotguns. Trust me....you CAN put a large dent in light-medium gauge metal, and you CAN put a large hole in it as well....and from MUCH longer range than what's shown in this video.
What you CAN'T do, is defy the laws of physics, and effect the structural design of an upright steel post. EVEN IF it were designed to crumple (and I know some are), a SHOTGUN would not, COULD not, do that. It WOULD distort, scar, and/or fill the metal with pits/holes. It WOULD cause the sign to flex/shake/vibrate...maybe even lean slightly, at point-blank range. The same goes for the machine gun.

Yes, I AM old enough to drive....and SMART enough 1.) not to shoot or drive into a federal/local government-protected sign or lamp, and 2.) to know what would happen IF I DID.

Bill Nye7104d ago

THWIP, I'd agree with you but this is not a simulation game. This is an action game and everything is meant to accentuate that aspect (kind of like Black). People want to see results when they shoot things and Resistance does that for the most part. If you want to complain about physics why not also complain about the rag dolls, or smoke, or fire, or water... it can go on and on because none of those are accurate physics simulations. But you know what? Nobody cares because it's all about presentation.

Another thing is that no, they aren't '100% canned animations' as you suggest. There might be three points of deformation, but the first video proves that it's not animation when he first bends the sign one direction, then proceeds to shoot it in another direction.

It's kind of funny how you expect accurate real world representations of physics and ballistics in this game when no other game does any of that to the degree that you speak of either. Oh, and shouldn't you point out how the Chimera aren't true to life either? 'Cause, you know, they don't exist...

Phytonadione7104d ago

First of all, let me start by saying that lying about your age does not make what you state any truer. Secondly, yes I have fired a variety of munitions (comes with the territory of serving your country), and I do have first hand experience/knowledge of what a shotgun can do to various objects (there's a gun range a couple hours from here in Wisconsin that is unsupervised, as it is pretty much a landfill). I do agree, a 12-guage shotgun could do hell on a standard metal sign (especially if you were stupid enough to get close to it), where you might be able to puncture a couple holes in it, but a metal lamp post? You could load a deer slug into an 8 guage and be lucky to put a medium sized dent into it. You're talking about a cylindrical shaped, significantly more dense, metal object. Do you also understand that a deer slug, though more potentially damaging than those small bbs, is only made out of lead? So tell me, what kind of "light-medium guage metal" have you fire at? A Keystone beer can?

P.S. If this is your idea of a lecture, it's no wonder the U.S. education system is failing. Morons claiming to be teachers....

Asuka7104d ago

you obviously don't know your weapons, a shotgun (in any game, or in real life) is an extremely inaccurate weapon.

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Bill Nye7105d ago

Neat. Reminds me of when I first messed around in Half-Life 2 with all the things to mess with.

Capt CHAOS7104d ago

I'd much rather have seen that games on my 360 at launch than PDZ anyday.

WaCkY_MuNkY7105d ago

did you see all of the bullet holes.......yeah me neither

God of Gaming7105d ago

VERY good point... Where are the bullet holes? I think we saw them in Halo 1 and probobly way before on the PC. The one thing that always impressed me was when a large firefight happened and afterwards you would see bullet holes and the sign of the fight as you pass through.

I think Battlefield on the 360 did this the best, chunks of the walls would fall and would look fantastic after a fight. Id take that over a bent sign anyday.

PS360ii7105d ago

I always thought this game just looked like an HL2 clone, so it is not on my buy list.

Real physics would have the chair splintering apart... HL2 does this right??

videl7105d ago

looks impressive! gow is a joke against this. hahaha and this is a launch game! ps3 rules!

BadTaste7105d ago

Sorry but this looks like the sh!t that came out of my a$$ earlier today.

UrbanJabroni7104d ago

Seriously, read through videl's fabulously unbiased and though-provoking past posts that add so much to the discussion.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

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Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle7d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk777d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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italiangamer16d ago

"Gaming’s Biggest Fighting Franchise"

Press X to (seriously) doubt.

DarXyde14d ago

Underrated comment. I used to hate that game so much that any time my siblings asked me to play it, I just picked Hom and shut myself down mid-match.

Soy14d ago

And then MK1 killed it again.

DivineHand12514d ago (Edited 14d ago )

15 years went by so fast. I remember playing through the story mode at launch.

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Relientk7715d ago

Yeah I can see that for sure. Shuhei Yoshida should have been in charge not Jim Ryan.

Cacabunga15d ago

It should be free highway for him now.. but Sony are too stupid to see this, especially that moron Hulst

S2Killinit15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Wtf why all that anger. PlayStation is dominating on every level. Besides I think there is a little more to hiring a CEO than just who is available. Its not like its a athlete your team wants to buy.

neutralgamer199215d ago

S2Killinit

live service failures, chasing trends, closing studios. yes dominating

Cacabunga14d ago

Sony is Dominating because competition is not existing. Compared to previous gens this is the poorest in terms of software offerings.

Last gen we got Uncharted 4 Lost Legacy and TLOU2 from ND alone.

This is so far a remasters gen, with no competition to lift up the quality

1nsomniac14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

..."PlayStation is dominating on every level"....

...Really???

PlayStation are soon heading into a new generation in the not to distant future. They currently have the worst customer satisfaction they've ever sustained as a company. The company is heading for a huge crash while at the same time they'll need to be planning how they are going to try and win back that favour and the build up to their new releases.

Yes financially they're winning but they're going to have to ride out this complete public corporate disaster. No one has faith in the company or the product anymore. They've damaged their public image so much this generation. Greed can kill anyone.

medman14d ago

Hulst is a disaster......

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blacktiger15d ago

He would've done the same thing and fire Jim Ryan and Shuhei would be the villain. Why?
Because Elite creates the narrative and distraction for gamers, users and citizens.

Outside_ofthe_Box15d ago

More confirmation that Jim Ryan is the culprit for what has happened to Sony. Hulst needs to go too. What sucks is that a lot of the good top heads at Sony are no longer there. I wish that guys that were forced out prematurely by Dumbo Jimbo like Shuhei and Layden came back.

robtion14d ago

Yep. Yoshida was responsible for bringing one of the best games of this generation to playstation (Stellar Blade). He is an actual gamer and is in touch with what gamers want (creative, fun games, not GaaS and agenda pushing). He also seems like a genuinely nice guy if you watch some interviews. Of course they got rid of him.

darthv7215d ago

Makes you wonder if MS even thought about hiring him after Phil and Sarah were leaving. He certainly couldn't make their situation any worse.

Agent7515d ago

Microflop. After Windows XP and Xbox 360, it all went floppy.

S2Killinit15d ago

Floppy 😆
No pun intended

badz14915d ago

Yoshida for President! Jim Ryan was and always be a hack! Sony should get Shu back

Lightning7715d ago

All the gamer/consumer lead heads are gone across PS and Xbox. shuhei gone phil's gone (questionable) but gone. The future of gaming is somewhat uncertain across the board.

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