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Star Citizen – Developer Interview

Star Citizen Developer Eric Peterson thinks that consoles couldn't handle Star Citizen and PC gaming is being "pushed aside".

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Mostafeto4229d ago

I find this statement a bit weird as consoles are really powerful right now

Alexious4229d ago

It's weird especially because Chris Roberts said last year that they could, in fact, theoretically handle it.

Also, while it is true that the components in PS4 and XB1 are quite old by PC standards, they can be fully utilized unlike any component in the PC environment.

The_KELRaTH4229d ago

Unfortunately with these interviews they often forget to ask "WHY", "BE MORE SPECIFIC" etc etc etc.
Are the comments based on the game for PC specs in late 2015 - 2016?
If so we're looking at a very different CPU/GPU / Memory target ie. Intel's 8 core, GPU's with 50%/80% more power (Nvidia Maxwell 800 series etc) and 16gb of ram was mentioned very early on.
I do agree that in theory it could be run on a console - lower textures, lower various environmental effects etc etc and just like a game that can be played on a PS4 it can also be played on a PS3 however he has mentioned the issues about the constant updates and lack of user accessibility (user world packs etc) but all this is now and it's far to early to predict how it will be in 2016+

DevilOgreFish4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

Alexious- "Also, while it is true that the components in PS4 and XB1 are quite old by PC standards, they can be fully utilized unlike any component in the PC environment."

Even if a console's potential is fully utilized, there's not much separating the two anymore with way better API support and consoles now being x86 based. System requirements shouldn't be too bad for Console to PC games.

AngelicIceDiamond4229d ago

Considering the fact that Star Citizen gets bigger and bigger every single month. Every month they hit a new milestone with there funding.

Current consoles possibly could handle the game as a whole but absolutely couldn't handle the constant updates and constant size and scale the game constantly achieves on the regular basis.

ShinMaster4229d ago

I doubt it.

If consoles supposedly can't handle it. Then that means a very limited number of PCs will be able to handle it.

DOMination-4229d ago

They'll soon change their mind when only 50,000 people buy it on pc and half of them are pirated

badz1494229d ago

it is kinda a funny thing to say considering there are many, MANY PCs out there that are less powerful than current gen consoles.

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JBSleek4229d ago

Who told you consoles are very powerful??

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JBSleek4229d ago

"Price for performance is amazing."

Agreed yet that wasn't the statement...

johndoe112114229d ago

Killzone shadowfall, infamous second son, driveclub, the order 1886 and uncharted 4 did.

Vegamyster4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

@The_Infected

LinusTechTips posted a video showing a GTX 480 could play WD which isn't considered a good PC port at 1080p 30 fps while under clocked, mind you that is a 4+ year old GPU which you can find for less then $150.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

stuna14229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

PC developers have went on record as saying they are powerful! And as all already know PC's are the king when it comes to brute strength, you make it seem like the PC fanbase is made up of strictly all powerful PC's when I'm sure the figure/percentage of PC gamers that have a powerful enough rig to run this game is extremely low also.

What PC does with brute strength, Consoles all but make up for it strickly ease of use, and common and similar hardware that makes gaming across all console comparable.

So I'm Wrong!?

finals4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

@Vegamyster

And yet my 760 + i7 stutters and screen tears on even the lowest of settings, I've given up till they fix it

Doesn't matter how how smooth the framerate is when the screen tearing makes your eyes bleed and it starts stuttering outdoors.

Vegamyster4229d ago

@finals

Sounds like your tower has other issues, can't really say what unless i actually saw it, my 770M + i7 doesn't have any issues. Console games get screen tearing too, Nvida is fixing that with their upcoming G-Sync monitors.

finals4229d ago

@Vegamyster

Your more than right about consoles having screentear for sure. I just assume its Watch Dogs as pretty much every other game I can max out with great frames and close to zero stutter or screen tear ie Witcher 2 without ubersampling, battlefield 3 and 4 with only aa turned down.
I just think its disingenuous to make performance claims when there is plenty of websites and forums that show Watch Dogs has all kinds of problems with a large segment of the community.

Acting like it there isn't issues is not gonna help the problem. IMO

Vegamyster4229d ago

@finals

Sorry i thought you had those issues in generals, not just for WD. I never said the game didn't have issues, i acknowledged it wasn't a good port in my first comment.

Rimeskeem4229d ago

Power vs price. Yah consoles are pretty powerful in that ratio

sinspirit4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

@Vegamyster

And Watch Dogs doesn't compare at all to any game that properly takes advantage of PS4. It was downgraded on every system and unoptimized on PC, I'm sure that this transferred to consoles to a degree as well.

PlanetSide 2 is supposedly running 1080p/60fps and has max settings on PS4. I am sure this is a more appropriate game to compare since it wasn't gimped on any platform and is being properly optimized.

I have been following LinusTechTips for years now and this video was quite ridiculous, and the only video I've thought that about, because they are comparing a downgraded and gimped game that isn't representative of either consoles potential, and there are other proper games too. When GTAV comes out I believe this will be a much more accurate comparison. I'm not saying the consoles are more than what they are but the comparison only took into account the controversial downgrades of the PC version alone. If they downgraded the PC version and strive hard to hide that then they probably gimped the PS4 version as well due to trying to make the console versions equal with each other.

R-A-S-04229d ago

@finals

Yeah, I have the same issues with my 4770k/gtx 780 pc. W_D is just a spectacularly poor port. I can max Crysis 3 (w smaa x2) and play at 55-60 fps, but even on medium settings W_D stutters like George VI. Total joke...

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wsoutlaw874229d ago

They have stated the are aiming for the highest spec pcs. A lot of pc gamers will need upgrades just to play that game. It was their attention from the start to make a game that pushes high end pcs.

raWfodog4229d ago

I'd like to see what a "fully-developed for high-end PC" space game would look like.

wsoutlaw874229d ago

They are also very pro pc and have some pc fanboy attitudes vs consols. They are trying to be a pc gamers dev

Alexious4229d ago

Then they will have a very small playerbase. The vast majority of PC gamers doesn't have high-end configurations.

I hope their customized CryEngine scales well.

PotatoClock4229d ago

@Alexious
Because PCs are going to stay at the same power for the next ten years right?

As time goes on, the latest video cards out now get cheaper. More people buy them and more powerful PCs that can play Star Citizen will be around.

I haven't upgraded my card for 6 years now. The latest multi-plats are still playable for me so I haven't had any reason to. Star Citizen though, that's a whole different ball game.

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JsonHenry4229d ago

The consoles are certainly more powerful than last gen. But the leap in power this time was small compared to previous generations. And the GPU tech inside the consoles were almost 2 years old at the time of launch.

But that is besides the point. Chris Roberts DID say that once the PC version is finished if there was a successful crowd funding for a console version of the game, albeit heavily watered down due to restrictions of the closed platform, he would in fact make a console version of Star Citizen.

And his first public show of Star Citizen dog fighter alpha was shown using an Xbox360 controller hooked up to a PC. So it isn't entirely out of the question but the game would not be the same as it is on PC either.

MelvinTheGreat4229d ago

Actually your wrong, last gen consoles were more powerful at the current time.

JsonHenry4229d ago

Melvin, That is exactly what I said.

TheMapleNerd4229d ago

Really powerful?
Ah, so that's why things gets downgraded :o..
Anyway, Star Citizen is really demanding.

Mostafeto4229d ago

yeah Star Citizen is a really great game but not many games got downgraded I know everyone will think Watch Dogs right away as the PC version and Console version have graphical differences that can be seen clearly if the PC is powerful enough to run on Ultra.

wsoutlaw874229d ago

Downgrades dont exactly prove anything exept you feel short of your origional idea.

azricf4229d ago

The game is being made with high end pcs in mind. Current consoles are not on even ground with high end pc's. In fact, they are much weaker.

sunginmew4229d ago

5 year old graphic card is more powerful than nextgen consoles lol (GTX 480)

Chrischi19884229d ago

Compared to a mid range gaming PC, a console is weak. I really dont want to start a "what is better" discussion, but that is a fact, if you like it or not.

Anon19744229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

If my PS4 can't handle Star Citizen, then I know my PC isn't beefy enough to handle it without upgrades. I guess I won't be buying it then. Thanks for the head's up!

DoctorJones4229d ago

I'm sure he doesn't care if you buy it or not, it's been funded already from people who do want it.

Anon19744229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

I have no doubt. They've raised an ungodly amount of money on Kickstarer for this game. It's too big to fail which is why, no doubt, they can afford to alienate potential customers by creating a game that needs higher end PC specs in order to run. I can't see that possibly biting them in the ass. But of course, they raised enough money and they, no doubt, are all being paid with gamers money donated even if the game is crap in the end and the majority of PC gamers can't play it. They could sell 1 million copies or one copy. If they don't deliver what have they really lost?

PotatoClock4229d ago

It sounds like this game has hurt your pride somehow and you can't seem to think in any other perspective but a negative one. You even think the developers actively want to alienate their own customers on PC just because they are building a game that pushes current PCs.

Time passes and more advanced PCs will be available for cheaper than they are now. Hence more of a player base. The game is huge. It is hardly going to be able to be explored and finished in 10 hours.

With the amount of fame it has already, it will become THE game to have on PC and will last for many, many years given its size.

Anon19744229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

Yeah, I have no idea what you're talking about. How, exactly, does a game hurt someone's feelings? My point is simple. I don't own a high end gaming PC, nor do I intend to purchase a high end gaming PC within the next couple of years. They appear to be targeting the game at high end PC users. That excludes a large portion of the consumer market, don't cha think?

What on earth does pride have to do with anything? I'm a consumer responding to news I'm hearing about a potential future purchase I was considering, which I am no longer considering due to what I'm hearing. Obviously they feel they have enough support with their target audience that they feel they can target a niche section of PC gamers. More power to em.

I hope it works out for them in the end but we already know that win or lose, it's already worked out for them. They're being paid to make a game that may be a complete flop or a runaway hit but thanks to Kickstarter, either way their salaries are paid.

I think they're actively alienating some PC gamers because they ARE actively alienating PC gamers by choosing to create a game that caters to high end PC hardware only. There's no mystery here. They've alienated me and I'm still somewhat of a PC gamer. The costs of upgrading PC hardware next year or the year after is irrelevant.

As for the length of the game, I have no idea how that's relevant either. I can put hundreds of hours into Skyrim now on my PC or a PS3. What does game length have to do with anything? And sure it COULD be the next big thing on PC and be played for years. It also could be a niche title, targeted towards a handful of hardcore PC enthusiasts that never takes off due to it's system requirements being beyond what most PC gaming consumers have sitting under their desks while they ask hundreds of dollars for game "packages" that include different ships. (Seriously. $150? $275 for access to the beta? You realize this is a videogame, right? You know, for $275 the beta had better include a new damn video card so my PC can play the blasted thing.)

I've seen a lot of mmo's over the years claim to be the next big thing. I guess time will tell.

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ion6664229d ago

Uncharted 4 will prove all wrong.Mark my words.

GamingLord14229d ago

Yeah Uncharted 4 will be visually amazing also I see The Order 1886 as a potential PlayStation legend.

Studio-YaMi4229d ago

Judging by earlier installment in the franchise,Uncharted 4 will be linear.

Not saying that it won't look absolutely amazing,but comparing it to an open world game with graphics like that is hard to achieve.

I don't agree though that Star Citizen can't be done on consoles,with fixed graphics & at 30fps,I think the consoles are more than able to run the game,this is probably just PR to promote their game to as many from the PC community as possible(or hoping they would upgrade) since most(most,not all!) PC gamers game on moderate PCs.

ion6664229d ago

its just a flashy colony wars. I'm pretty sure ps4 can do empty space.lol

juggulator4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

So a game that's made over $40 million and hasn't even been released and all of a sudden the current consoles magically can't handle it? Oh wait thats their next stretch goal. Another $1million to bring Star Citizen to consoles$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Mithan4229d ago

How could they handle it? Current pc won't handle it maxxed at release. Consoles are about 5 years behind pc's.

LamerTamer4228d ago

@Mithan

Who says it needs to be "maxxed"? The PS4 could handle the game, it just wouldn't look as good as PC.

Mithan4229d ago

They are still 5 years behind a pc.

mcarsehat4229d ago

They aren't "PC powerful.

When Chris Roberts said they could, it was because at the time, with the amount of kickstarter money (around 15 million) they could. it is now past 40 million and they have upgraded the engine so much that it has surpassed the new gen of consoles....waaah!

Magicite4229d ago

You need GTX670 for recommended settings which is far above current console GPUs.

itisallaboutps4229d ago

I agree if my laptop with a 765m can handle the game at 1080p on low at 24 fps. In sure a ps4 which is an r270x can handle it once optemization is done.

I think they wont bring to Consoles anytime soon is because pc elitist will rage like crazy.

kingduqc4229d ago

console cpu are really slow and gpu is pretty average..

Azzanation4228d ago

Any game can come out on any machine. But they want this game to look amazing and not downgraded to hell trying to get it to run. Plus this is a Mouse/Keyboard/Joystick game. Game pads aren't for this and the market for this game is strong on PC only.

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DialgaMarine4229d ago

Ruh Roh, looks like we've got another Crysis on our hands this gen. *wink wink nudge nudge*.

Alexious4229d ago

It's true that Elite: Dangerous looks better at this point, although Star Citizen still has a long way before completion.

Mostafeto4229d ago

Yeah it is actually still in early development but the game looks amazing and has a massive universe and trading and pirating THIS GAME IS LIKE A WHOLE WORLD INSIDE YOUR SCREEN :D

Mithan4229d ago

Yep, probably 2016 for full release.

Trekster_Gamer4229d ago

They could do it if the devs were talented enough to make it work. Sounds like they can only do pc… so screw them.

JBSleek4229d ago

So when developers say we aren't doing a PC version only consoles are they less talented??

Exactly... Double standards.

elhebbo164229d ago

You're dealing with peasant, they don't understand how things work so its best to leave them alone.

wsoutlaw874229d ago

I am deeply embarassed for anyone that would refer to someone as a pesant, thats just sad, and hilarious.

MadLad4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

Because the team behind Star Citizen haven't already proved themselves with what was shown, right?
It's obviously a lack of talent found in the team. Nothing to do with the technical limitations of the latest consoles.

@Alexious

I can't vouce for the game itself. It's far from finished. What was shown certainly proves they are competent developers. More than competent.
To address Trekster's broken logic, any first-party developer in inherently untalented; having never proven they could design a game for another platform.

Alexious4229d ago

Well, I'd wait for a final version of Star Citizen before saying that they have proven themselves.

mrdxpr24229d ago

Uhh so what are they expecting that the average customer has a $1,000+ computer cause I do . But I'm sure not alot of people do. So that statement doesn't just go towards console gamers but a big chunk of pc gamers who own a pc that is equivalent to ps4

Bhuahahaha4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

yeah i also think that more than half of pc user dont even have more than a $500 rig.

people do spend more on tablets/smart phones now.

business wise it is not a good idea to focus only on those you have a very good hardware

but screw that they already got millions on kickstarter

Stapleface4229d ago

The people who have funded the game already knew they were aiming for high end pc's. Or at least I think most of them do. Unless you just threw money at them without doing any research on what was being made you knew that. So I don't think it will be much of a big deal. That 40 mil has already been made and those people already have copies of the game coming to them when it is complete (most funding options include the game). So it's already a success. There are already a crap load of copies sold. With more to come once it's finished and people get to see the final product (if it's what has been promised).

FUTegyking4229d ago

Yeah the game is bound for success but I guess that it will need a REAL gaming PC in order for it to work properly will set its sales back a little.

wsoutlaw874229d ago

The game is already a sucess because they have presold a shit ton and have profited way more than enough already to make the game successful. However i feel the game has so many people that funded it for more money than an average game that they have some HUGE expectations. There also has to be, by all stats that are out there, a large amount of people who pledged but dont have pcs powerful enough. Just look at their forums and theres a ton of mystery around it and some worried fans. But it does still have over a year before the full release so everyone still has time. Hey if I had a pc that was close i might start saving but im using my laptop right now and only really use it for rome 2 so no chance.

elhebbo164229d ago

What are you talking about? the great thing about PC games is that they are not bound to fix settings or hardware, Sure someone running a gtx 470 might not be able to max the game out but the if you truly care about the graphics you can just buy a better graphics card and you are good to go. On consoles you can't do sh*t.

Anon19744229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

Yeah! If you want to play the game, you should be happy working two jobs in order to pay for an upgraded gaming rig. Nothing wrong with that idea... :)

At any rate, what does it matter to them if they're selling their product to a niche market of PC gamers with uber rigs. They've already all been paid. The game could sell one copy and they still earned a salary for as long as they develop this game thanks to Kickstarter. It doesn't matter in the end how much it sells.

Alexious4229d ago

Well, you can get an optimized game for your hardware on consoles and be assured that it will run.

On PC you could build an unbalanced configuration and get a subpar experience with the game you wanted to play.

The_KELRaTH4229d ago

It is worth remembering how this game has come about.
Gamers putting their money up in advance knowing that high PC specs will be required to played it on.

And what seems like very high specs right now will likely be quite moderate by late 2015 - 2016, while console specs are stagnant.

aliengmr4229d ago

they're called graphics "options" for a reason.

Would I be able to max this day one? Nope. But with a few tweaks here and there It will run and look great. Then later on, should I decide to upgrade, I have an even better experience.

I personally like coming back to games after I've upgraded, reminds me of the time when I first put a 3D accelerator in my PC.

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THC CELL4229d ago

Sounds to me the developers can't be bothered trying consoles

ion6664229d ago

i would like to reiterate.its just a flashy colony wars. I'm pretty sure ps4 can do empty space.lol

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anast40d ago

I'm jealous of the people that can afford to play this game.

SimulationDaily40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

You can't afford $55?

thorstein40d ago

"Full disclosure: the author of this article has backed Star Citizen’s crowdfunding campaign."

SimulationDaily40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

...and as such, he knows better than you, who have never touched the game and can only rage about things you don't know. 😌

thorstein39d ago

So anyone critical of your site and it's blatant promotion of the game hasn't played the game? Yeah, okay, Abrael.

I didn't back it 14 years ago and I'm glad. That doesn't mean I haven't taken it for a spin.

SimulationDaily39d ago (Edited 39d ago )

Sure you have dude. Sure you have.

If you did, you'd know that there's a reason (actually many reasons) why people who actually play it regularly keep supporting it more every year, and more and more join.

And it isn't that they're all crazy and you somehow know better. 😏

Incidentally. "My site" reports on games. Star Citizen is a game. So we report about it fairly, like we do with other games. The fact that you don't like it is completely irrelevant (and also hilarious).

But hey, keep chewing on bile every time there's news about the game if that makes you happy. May as well get used to it. We're not gonna stop regardless of how much you cry, and the game certainly isn't going to disappear.

fr0sty39d ago

These people are so gullible.

TheCaptainKuchiki39d ago

Can we stop calling it crowdfunding???? "Crowdfunding" is only valid when there's no product available for purchase.
Since popel are now able to buy a PRODUCT, it's simply called REVENUE. It's not an unreleased product anymore and hasn't been many years.

Darkseeker39d ago

All the people falling for this scam that will never be released.

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thorstein53d ago

It's beginning to look a lot like Griftmas.

Imagine buying in to this in your 20s and then, as you near, 40 years of age, there is still no difinitive release date for a finished game.

Sircolby4553d ago

Even at its worst, Star Citizen is already better than the overwhelming majority of games at their best. That goes especially for the steaming pile of shit the AAA devs are turning out these days. It's ironic that people will call this game a grift and then turn around and buy the latest Call of Duty clone.

thorstein53d ago

It's not ironic because I call this game a grift and I didn't buy CoD.

I spent 2025 buying and playing incredible indie games.