Has MS made many mistakes in business and in gaming? 100%. But name a company that hasn't. The problem isn't the company it's the shareholders that the company answers to. Read some of the things about Steve Jobs and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.

A perfect example to me is DRM. The gaming community (which I assume includes all of,you) bashed it as anti gamer. It's not anti gamer it's anti gamestop. GameStop has helped the decline of this industry we love to become a shell of its former self. That one move if Sony would have embraced it would have made the publishers and developers millions of dollars that could be reinvested in Making more games, and taking more risks. But nope we get to witness the continued decline of this business. Thanks Sony and gamers.

Pope

If ms listened to guys like you, their console would be even further behind than they are now. Theres 'decline' for you right there .

Not being able to borrow a mates game is not anti gamespot my holy friend, its anti gamer. Can't believe some people are still championing that crap. I swear ms could literally burn your houses down and you'll blame sony

Thank god Mr PumbleChook read the article. Saved me the trouble of having to point out how the title misrepresents what the article is about and how it gives a false impression.

@The Pope: I literally lol'd at your comment. That you think the DRM wasn't anti-gamer is hilarious. It's so pro-gamer to tell gamers what they are and are not allowed to do with the product they paid full price for. Gamestop is SOOOO evil because it acts as an intermediary for people to buy and sell games.

If you've been gaming long enough, you will have seen the industry blame everything under the sun for their alleged, yet never proven, lack of profit.

They've blamed rentals, they've blamed demos, they've blamed the amount of consoles on the market, they've blamed piracy, and when all of those things were completely debunked, by either research or time, that's when they started blaming used games.

A used game doesn't represent lost sales. It represents money never earned, that is NOT the same thing. A person who buys a used game didn't think that the game was worth the full price, or didn't have the finances to buy the game at full price. If the gaming industry didn't have such bloated business models for their development and marketing schemes, they wouldn't have to spend so much money and charge so much money for games.

The current state of gaming pricing is ridiculous. Thankfully Sony has been making some strides in trying to get some decent sales going on with PSN, but console gaming has a long way to go before it will reach Steam Sales status and part of that is the greed coming from publishers and developers who are constantly looking for a scapegoat to explain their lack of maximum profit.

Hell, rather than making the experience worth the money, devs and pubs have resorted to just falling back on microtransactions. This is a CLEAR indication that they are unwilling to look at themselves as being the real problem and instead look for more ways to nickle and dime everyone.

Microsoft's DRM was good for greed, and greed only. It had no benefits to gamers and you have no proof that the money made would be reinvested the way you claim it would be. We have all kinds of proof to show that publishers will always take the greediest route first.

@why o Why

The DRM the X1 proposed allowed borrowing of games even digital ones.

Lets just take Tomb raider as an example. There's a game that by all intents and purposes was one of the best of last gen. AND IT LOST MONEY. If you think pre-owned purchases are not partly to blame you're crazy.

GameStop buys a game for pennies on the dollar, and then turns around and makes a huge profit, cutting the developer out completely. This industry is rare in that you get the exact same benefits of used games as you do from a new. If you honestly think this industry is thriving you really need to recheck your facts my friend.

I don’t blame Sony, I blame gamers. We're a cheap whiney, superior group. Who, as I've said before, don’t want anyone to make $1 unless we deem them worthy.

@dragonknight

Are you really, seriously, honestly, saying piracy is NOT an issue? Especially when the difference between a game making, and losing money can be as few as a few hundred thousand copies.

When a game is bad it shouldn't make money, as its just shovel ware. But the average price of an AAA game has not gone up in 11 years! I work in sales, and my product has YEARLY increases. It’s only a few hundred dollars on a very expensive piece, but it’s still something.

You need to stop playing games, because you don’t care about a solution, you only care about placing blame. Its people like you that will be still pointing fingers when theirs no one left to point fingers at. You care about yourself, its obvious from your distain for the creators of some of the best entertainment ever.

We want open world games that give us 50, 80, 100 hours of fun, but don’t you F***ing dare try and charge us appropriately.

@ThePope

Do you actually believe the utter drivel you just wrote? I'm really not gonna go into any detail here because I think responding in depth to your comment may actually damage my brain, but I will ask a few questions.

How does instituting a system where I pay 60 bucks for a game but i still don't own it and I need the devs permission to do anything with it a good thing?

Why are we as gamers being blamed for the downfall of game companies due to poor business practices, bad management and terrible project planning buy said execs?

How does a four man team with a limited budget create a masterpiece that the whole world is anticipating in "No Man's Sky" and yet it took hundreds of devs with an over inflated budget to create the atrocity known as "Watchdogs"? And why do we need to give them more money to give us less quality?

Why can the dlc for witcher 3 be free and that company can be that successful and make tons of money yet we need to pay $15 to $20 dollars for each map pack of cod in order for a multi billion dollar company like activision to survive?

Why are you so intent on blaming us for the problems of the industry and telling us that we need to give up our rights as consumers to allow these billion dollar organizations to take advantage of us, bleed us out of the little cash we have and give us less quality in order for their CEO's to buy bigger yachts and more expensive cars?

Mr Moore....is that you?

@The Pope: Clearly my comment went right over your head.

I'm telling you that devs have blamed everything for what is THEIR problem. They are unwilling to look at themselves as the problem and instead blame consumers. Piracy is just one of the many things they've blamed over the decades and it won't be long until they find another way to blame consumers for problems that is their fault.

"You need to stop playing games, because you don’t care about a solution, you only care about placing blame. Its people like you that will be still pointing fingers when theirs no one left to point fingers at. You care about yourself, its obvious from your distain for the creators of some of the best entertainment ever."

First of all, no I don't need to stop playing games. I don't have to care about what developers want to blame in order to play games. Second, it's people like you that are responsible for day one, on disc DLC, pay to win, microtransaction, and all the other B.S. that developers use to nickle and dime consumers because they are unwilling to see themselves as the problem. It's people like you that support developers blaming consumers for their problems. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone but developers and publishers, they are pointing fingers at everything and everyone under the sun and have been for decades. Yep, I care about myself first. Why? Because my money is buying their games. I pay them. They don't pay me. If they try to tell me what I can do with my product, they can kiss the largest a$$ in the world. If they didn't have such bloated business models, if they didn't focus on putting all of their talent into graphics technology first and foremost, then they would be making more money.

A used game doesn't make them money, it also doesn't lose them money. It is the same thing as if the person never bought the game to begin with. So what is the preference? That people don't buy the game instead of buying it used? A used game represents a sold copy at one point, so the money was made, but let's get rid of used games altogether and create a system where people will have a choice between buying a game new, or not buying it at all. Yeah, that will make developers a lot of money when people who don't think the game is worth the price or don't have the money at the time to buy it decide just not to buy it at all. That'll definitely help the industry right?

"We want open world games that give us 50, 80, 100 hours of fun, but don’t you F***ing dare try and charge us appropriately."

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@Pope

Seriously need to stop. Video game business is biggerthen it's ever been and only growing.

Why don't the execs at these big companies figure out a way to get paid on used games/ I mean gamestop scans everything in. Why don't they attempt to work on the process from the inside instead of adding $'s on to the consumers end?

The gamer is not at fault for piss poor systems they have in place to track and get paid on games. Gamers are not at fault for wanting to trade a game in to help pay for another.

Think of all the times myself included needed to trade in a game to pay for a new game non used. It's a ton and all those people who were like i used ot be or still are wouldn't get the game at all.

I've never seen someone so adamant about Billion dollar companies making 10 billion profit as opposed to 15 billion profit. You're on the wrong side.

Please tell us how you feel about Movie companies who i dunno ARE LOSING SO MUCH PROFIT yet are still multi millionaires? The truth about MS family sharing is there is no truth since they never released hard definitions of how it works.

Everyone keeps on with the used games/drm stuff. If no one thinks that all developers were not extremely happy to have this coming then there is is a problem... Streaming games/digital down loads/used games/drm go hand and hand (ms had a game sharing protocol in the works). Why hasn't there been any dev/publisher (from naughty dog to whoever) speak out against ms reveal about how bad it would be for gamers, etc,etc?? That's because it was meant to be apart of this gen (going forward). I would not be surprised if down the road it get's leaked out that sony was lined up the same... In the end, it's still happening with every digital purchase, and game streaming services... So for all the gamers who currently are purchasing digital down loaded games for the ps4, or xb1, how many have you traded 1 back in, and how many of your friends are borrowing them?? I tried to sell back one of my DLds to gamestop, and I was told to leave (hahaha) kidding... also, just a question, will we need to be a ps plus subscriber to use psnow, or will we be able to use it with the free online?

It's not just a matter of taking oportunities from your competitor's mistakes. MS blunders were too big on the media, this started raising concerns about where Sony standed on many of those very same subjects (DMR, used games, etc), so they had to answer not only for differentiation from XB1, but also for their own plans to be clear. Chances were, if they had not commented on those topics, the media and general public would start assuming Sony had the same (bad) ideas going on, in fact, Kotaku, Polygon and others were already saying just that before E3, that Sony was silent because they were doing the same and knew how unpopular it was.

@septic. I agree that they didn't quite seem to consult in anyone but themselves. That can't be entirely true though. I am sure activision, ea etc. all had enormous hard-ons when they found out one of their biggest partners was about to do away with the second hand market. I do not hold a grudge, business is business, but at the end of the day, you would think MS would have been smarter than this. Perhaps if their reveal/e3 messaging made even a little sense, people might have understood some of the possible benefits. Still, they were a bit ahead of themselves on this one ( eventually we will be all digital and therefore DRM would happen naturally as more people accept digital purchasing).

I am loving both systems, and actually spend more time on my xbox one...but MS has nobody to blame but themselves for the mess they are in. At least they seem to be getting it together a bit.

@ The_Dorito_Pope a.k.a. M$_Astro_Turfer eXtraordinaire

You Double Speak is obnoxious DRM-IS GOOD!

I buy games New. Launch day New, from game stop, and get around $36 or more, (credit) for trading in , at the proper time, I usually only spend 20-25$ for a launch day game.

Get out of here, with your Anti-Gaming Agenda.

(Lets close all the Local Gamestops. With real people employed, and give that money Local Real People are earning,, to Faceless Corporations?!?!? <Rushed/Unfinished games, are par for the course no less?>
GTFO/SMFH!)

"Cerny had to rewrite his E3 presentation one does wonder what he changed."

Cerny wouldn't be the one to talk about the DRM, that'd be Jack Tretton.

Dat backtrack ~

AngelicIceDiamond states "Apparently Sony did have similar DRM plans at E3"

johndoe & DK prove her wrong

AngelicIceDiamond "Ok chill I was just trying to find more info on this." and then tries to point the finger BACK at Joe with "Yeah don't get jump to conclusion. " when SHE jumped to a false conclusion originally because she didn't do proper research on the link/info SHE posted.

Wow...Talk about a 180. THAT'S how misinformation gets propagated.

@Dudebro - True, but that was because of all the casuals dipping their toes into gaming. So far they aren't coming back for more. Nintendo definitely caught the proverbial lightning in a bottle with the Wii. It was cheap to produce and it's sales took off like crazy for a long while.

Anyway, sales have nothing to do with what snookiegamer said, so...