@godmars you assume some kind of organisation during development. Trust me its chaos. The problem is the spec changes all the way through development. A team responsible for one area may say it will be 50 percent more efficient later so others plan around that then its not. Believe me its all done by the seat of the pants. I work in a 10 man team and keeping things inline between just those 10 is almost impossible never mind 200 plus.

All i can say is I really hope i don't see a downgrade. i don't even want to know what the console version of this is. If the consoles can produce good results that's great, but if they end up cutting this down my respect for them will be deep in the negative.

I mean what is the point to all these demos with GTX680s running them in the first place? we're going out of our ways upgrading. this sh#t ain't free you know.

@Godmars

Devs know the specs. But they create high quality content and begin scaling it back. High poly models, 4k textures etc, and then they begin downgrading things to fit on the systems.

UBI downgraded PC due to consoles. X1/PS4 can't match the original version shown on PC. In other words, PC gets screwed because of console only gamers.

Again.

bganci, you primarily game on consoles, but til pc shows me ingame graphics anything near console exclusives then no pc shouldnt have 'better' graphics their graphics are doing just fine console gamers from the looks of it should have 'better' graphics

GamingTruth- Here's some truth for you! No console can even remotely compare to this: http://youtu.be/JFUhNZ3ai7o

Remember how good Watch Dogs looked in 2012? Well PC gamers have figured out how to turn the features that were dumbed down for PS4 and Xbone back on.

Truth is, PC multiplats look better than any console, and last I checked, Star Citizen has graphics the PS5 probably wont be able to run.

@ GamingTruth

That's a ridiculous statement to make, PCs have consistently shown better graphics for very obvious reasons.

A good recent example coming to PC is Star Citizen which looks amazing, it's an MMO and is more complex than any other game I've seen thus far.

OK lets pretend im Ubisoft I Make Watch Dogs the game sells the most on consoles and the lowest on PC now please tell me why I should care what PC fans think, should I care what the lowest amouth of people that buy my game think? and I expect the same results with The Devision as it will sell the most on consoles and the lowest on PC.
Morale of the story PC fans need to accept that multiplatform games will always be downgraded for consoles because they are ones that devs see more profit it not PC.
So if you don't wanna see downgrades stick to PC only games if all your gonna do is complain about consoles holding you back but the funny part is the majority of PC only games aren't even the best graphic fidelity games because the most played games on PC are League of lengends, world of Warcraft and DoTa so why don't PC fans go complain about those games graphics instead of attacking multiplatform devs who have to create a game for every console and they wanna make sure everyone gets the same experience ಠ_ಠ.

People better start getting used to this. Devs show their games at E3, and then in the time between that showing and the release of the game, the game gets "downgraded", things change....it's just what happens.

From now on, people should take what they see at E3 with a grain of salt.

Get used to it?
This has been happening for as long as I can remember. Especially with 3rd party devs.

It sounds like PC gamers are getting Console ports. Be thankful you are getting that... Games like this don't sell as well on a PC... Most good game developers hang around because they don't waste extra time creating a PC version that will not earn them any profit in the end...

Look at watchdogs... Look at the Numbers there... THAT is why your PC version doesn't get love... That is why the PC version of most games don't get the love you think they should. There are a handful of games that do well on PC, but outside of that, it isn't financially viable... What the PC has to look forward to this gen is an X1 port that might be tweaked up a bit for MOST games that come out. And that is because Games will sell better on the X1 and the X1 game can be easily ported to PC. So they create the game targeting the PS4 and X1 and the PC will always be an afterthought... With the transition from PC to mobile devices underway over the course of the next decade, I don't see the Love for the PC platform to increase that much either... Granted the PC version will probably have better resolution and framerate depending on your PC, but outside of that I wouldn't be expecting alot unless it is one of the few games that was made specific for PC.

So many self entitled attitudes here. So from what I gather.. some fanboys don't care they are being sold a stripped and downgraded game from Ubisoft because it makes their console of choice not look as weak when next to a PC build.
Wow.. now I seen it all, way to push the industry forward.. not! Let's have a race to the bottom so fanboy children can keep beleiving in father X'mas and their console is a supercomputer. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Memo to devs and publishers... don't reveal your games running on your ultra-high-uber-maximum-lord-o f-the-universe-breaker-of-black -holes-super-charged-machines if you intend to release them on consoles. Yes, i'm not saying PC gamers can't enjoy games on higher fidelity, i'm just saying leave that info and gameplay to later on during the PR campaign of the games. PC gamers already know that pretty much every cross platform game is best on PC, no need to make it obvious during your reveals. Just show what everyone will be able to get when they buy the game, not just the uber-PC-fanatics.

It's
1. misleading
2. pathetic
3. obnoxious

So please stop it.

P.S. not hating on the PC gamers, you probably also agree with the fact that all these games look better on PC, but the misleading factor of the whole thing is really annoying to console gamers, in other words... i come in peace.

@ Evilsnuggle.

If you don't can about downgrades go play a NES.

People do and should care because these game companies SHOWED US ONE THING AND SELL US ANOTHER THING....Is that simple enough for you to grasp? You don't show people one product take preorder money and sell them something different it's actually called false advertising and it's illegal. And don't try and say that's not what this is because it's exactly what this is don't be obtuse!

You couldn't be further from the truth! It doesn't matter what platform we are talking about here. Everyone is and will be getting screwed over with these kinds of practices.

Console owners are being tricked into believing games look a certain way when by release they really are not as visually stunning compared to the marketing B.S.

PC gamers are being screwed over for similar reasons as well. Although,the most relevant and common problem with PC is the planned parity some of these developers - a majority I imagine via the publisher breathing down their necks are enforcing PC restrictions so consoles look more competitive in comparison to high-end gaming rigs.

At the end of the day we are all being affected by this. WOW,what a stupid comment to make.If you can't see how this screws us - the gamers over,then I do not know what to tell you.

Being a PC player myself,I did take slight offense to that immature,ignorant comment you slew around as if that is the true issue here.

Developers,ESPECIALLY a game dev.like Ubisoft should be taken full advantage of every single platform they choose to develop on. We all know now after not only Watch_Dogs but a couple Ubisoft titles previously,this is not the case here.

Certainly not for a lot of PC players who unfortunately do not own a 2,000-3,000$ gaming rig.

They are left with either under-performing games on either equivalent PC specs to the next gen consoles or they brute force the game with shitty ports on PC specs 2-3 times more powerful than the new consoles! there is something really wrong here.

I do not use Ubisoft as an example merely on the fact that this article involves them but because they are one of the biggest offenders in recent years.

The craziest and most ironic aspect is that they have humongous game budgets and some of the largest staffed game development houses in the industry. Same with EA. There is no f**king excuse.

/Rant

@DevilOgreFish - While I agree with what you are saying and I understand the point. The big difference here is really being up front about these demos. Honesty and integrity.

A majority of the time the reason they are using high-end PC's is because they are actually TARGET RENDERS!

The primary problem arises when you have dishonest developers & Publishers pushing their games visual fidelity as fact instead of being up front with the gamers and fans saying -

"This is what we are currently pushing for,we are hopeful or confident this is how it will look by release" You have plenty of devs who do just this but then you have just as many devs literally lying all in the name of millions of sales = big money!

Not that it did not happen at all back in the day but it sure as hell was a bit more uncommon compared to how the gaming industry is ran today.

@andrew: None of those screenshots impressed me I must say.
The last pic looks almost exactly the same as PS4 version.
I'm glad they left out the Bokeh, looking at videos with it turned on just hurts my eyes. It's cool in photographs, in games, not so much.

The lighting looks mostly good though, but I saw the video you posted higher up. What's up with the lighting from cars headlights? Looks like crap!

Anything is possible,not saying what you stated is not the case here,it happens a lot actually.

However,if I was to be perfectly honest,the recent b.s. with watchdogs, Consistently bad PC Ports of AC series - I am willing to believe most of what was wrote in that article is likely true.(Even IF the article is a fake!)

I am saddened to even admit that because I truly enjoy a few Ubisoft games. It is not even just them,not to single out Ubisoft.

This modern practice of marketing deception has got to stop! DRM b.s. has got to stop! trying to take away consumers rights and ownership needs to not even get started!

Dealing on PC digitally via Steam,yeah but there are other reputable and respectful digital sites like gog.com with no DRM.
The Microsoft situation hopefully woke a lot of people up and proved a lot of this to those who were either in doubt or didn't care etc.

OT:
This console warring between gamers needs to stop,seriously it is ridiculous. Back in the day when I was growing up,shit wasn't like this,you owned the console(s) and played games that you enjoyed/loved.

I was what you could of called a hardcore gamer who did not discriminate any platforms! ( I still am just have the $$$ roadblock these days) I owned them all,only systems I never personally owned was the Jaguar ( I wanted that damn aliens Vs. Predator game so bad ) and neo geo ( Most expensive console of all-time I believe lol).
the rest,I eventually came to own and played on them all equally unless a particular game came out on another system.

I am not THAT old,only 32 but I can assure you,that is if you are a bit younger,when I was growing up getting into gaming,reading every single magazine that I could get my hands on,ha! no internet back then unfortunately, shit was not like it is today. that goes for not only the devs and publishers but also the gamers.

Maybe if we would of had a better,efficient way of talking to one another,things would of been different. who knows. Sorry, ranting and raving again. I get caught up and passionate sometimes. I am sure you and anyone else who read this got my point(s)

@AndrewLB - thanks for those images. They look incredible. I am still looking forward to eventually getting around to playing WD. I am just waiting for as many patches and performance fixes/drivers before I jump in the game.

With the recent Guru3D findings,I think I will give the game a shot.

@Prototype_79L down below - I agree that some of the blame can be laid at the feet of whiny spoiled gamers who actually have no idea what a bad game looks and plays like compared to what many of us grew up with.Still, I do put blame on a lot of these big AAA publishers and the Devs who either allow it or lie outright.

90+% of the games releasing these days look incredible. Some better than others but the main point is that many of us have become simply spoiled with game visuals. It is good to push for better but at the same time,we are already approaching the uncanny valley at an alarming rate.

Of course, back then we had nothing to compare it to,it was all we had! I do remember still fondly day dreaming of what the future of gaming would look like and play like.

Rainbow Six: Siege was a nice surprise and I enjoyed the demo,I also agree with you about nothing but cgi target renders instead of trailers.

My personal E3 winner was: The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt! GOTY 2015 contender all the way for me.

If anyone follows that game closely,they would understand why there is a lot to be excited about. One of the most ambitious open world or linear RPG games ever. I am rotting for the underdogs @ CD Project RED and something in my gut is telling me they are going to pull it off. :)

@HaveAsandwich -
"It's going to be shit on ps4. I own one. I'm
not even sure why."
This is exactly why I chose a few years ago to build a gaming PC. After playing games like Fallout 3/new vegas and Skyrim to then see all of the incredible mods I missed out on!
Not wanting to play the Witcher 2 unless it was played on PC as it was meant to be played.

why I am waiting and waiting to get the next gen consoles,prob. a PS4,since I am figuring a majority of xbox games will make it to PC. There are not enough games right now to justify getting a new system just yet. I say next year,then there will be a decent amount of games worth playing.

If you're running a frame counter with Metal Gear Rising Revengeance, you'd see the cut-scenes are locked at 30fps, meaning they're pre-rendered

@AndrewLB:

MG: Rising Revengence is from Platinum Games.

Can someone point out to me where I mentioned anything about "engines" or Kojima purposely using, say, PC footage or anything like that at all? I'd appreciate that. Otherwise I'll have to come to the conclusion that people are just making stuff up and coming to their own conclusions about what I said so they can defend Kojima.