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Xbox One; An Ever Changing Console

It has been almost a year since the Xbox One was announced and the original plan Microsoft had has now changed dramatically. The original plan for the Xbox One was vastly different from what we have now, basically everything has changed. Some changes have been minor and some have been pretty major.

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georgeenoob4401d ago (Edited 4401d ago )

Constantly changing for the better! I'm glad Phil Spencer is heavily taking into account feedback from fans and acting on it.

@Iain

The Kinect unbundling was the #1 request from people to MS at the time. So when they MS unbundled it, you're saying it had nothing to do with customer feedback? The sales might have contributed to the decision a little, but feedback was the MAIN contribution.

iain044401d ago

Agree it was the number 1 request and until sales failed to meet expectations MS were not that interested in listening

colonel1794401d ago (Edited 4401d ago )

There's no denying at all that it was sales that forced them to removed Kinect, but it took a change of Xbox managers to actually take the decision.

Look at Iwata for example, he prefers to go round and round instead of hitting the problems head on (maybe because he doesn't want to lose his job).

Phil Spencer had the right mind to actually take the decision. Even if the sales were miserable, another person could have deal with it and be stubborn about the Xbox One "vision". It is a HUGE loss for Microsoft to get rid of Kinect after all the R&D, PR, marketing, etc, so he was brave (and had the common sense).

He is now focusing on more important things which is GAMES. He is making deals with first and third parties, and that's what ultimately matter the most. (Which is what Iwata should be doing!)

tgunzz4401d ago

Customer feed back/sales are exactly the same (there is no difference no matter how it's spinned).... This is the number reason for the slower sales of the xb1 ($100 difference is a huge handicap when fighting for top console spot).

choujij4401d ago (Edited 4401d ago )

@colonel179

Please don't compare Nintendo to Microsoft. You will never see them release a Wii-U sku without part of their console (the tablet controller). They actually have integrity and are sticking with their vision no matter how good or bad.

kayoss4401d ago

Hey George, I know you work for ms. But in every post you made, it was to praise how great the Xbox one was over the ps4. If the Xbox one is so great, why does it need to change?

sic_chops4401d ago

Exactly... So George, what was it before it was better?

ziggurcat4401d ago (Edited 4401d ago )

@georgeenoob:

"The Kinect unbundling was the #1 request from people"

No it wasn't: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/r...

choujij4401d ago (Edited 4401d ago )

Oops. lol

SilentNegotiator4401d ago

Straight from his own god's mouth.

LOGICWINS4401d ago

Agreed. Only a fool would complain about change if that change is for the better.

choujij4401d ago (Edited 4401d ago )

I also agree. However, only a fool would surmise that change necessarily means better.

But don't get me wrong, I do think many of the changes they made is for the better.

SilentNegotiator4401d ago (Edited 4401d ago )

Luckily, what's "better" in the Xbox camp changes every time MS makes a change. Such a lucky, lucky coincidence.

ger23964401d ago

What people were asking for Kinect less bundle? Couldn't be Xbox fans, they love Kinect. Not customer feedback, poor sales.

GreggyPeg4401d ago

I agree both are valid points and so far in Spencer's regime I have been thoroughly impressed and can't wait to see what is announced at E3. Also the fact this decision was done before E3 was also very appealing as it allows us to concentrate on the games aspect.

MysticStrummer4401d ago

"The Kinect unbundling was the #1 request from people to MS"

You like Spencer but you just called him a liar.

Interesting.

*updates your psych profile*

DigitalRaptor4401d ago

So Xbone was the better console before for having more "potential" through Kinect, or it's the better console now that the "potential" has been neutered? Make up your mind. We all know that no matter what choice Microsoft had made, it would have been the right one for you. You Xbox loyalists flip-flop more than MS themselves have done this gen. It's ridiculous.

And as mentioned, it WASN'T the #1 request.

Even if it was, it was attributed by sales and market performance, not consumer feedback. If they had listened to their consumers many, many months ago, it would have never been force-bundled in the first place, and before that something that was REQUIRED to use the console.

miyamoto4401d ago (Edited 4401d ago )

I really don't get how dis-kinecting Kinect is "for the better"?

For the better of who or of what?

For the better of M$, Xbox One or Kinect???

For the better of Kinect.
Doesn't a Kinect-less SKU means the slow and painful death of Kinect?

M$ removing it from the main SKU means it will be deemed unimportant to M$ , its 1st party developers & 3rd party developers, too. That is the message M$ is conveying here. Which means it will get less applications, less games, less interest from the public?

For the better of Xbox One.
Xbox One's unique differentiating factor is gone. Meaning its just another console with no identity. And what happened to Kinect as an integral factor with the TV experience?

For the better of M$.
What will happen to the huge R&D investment M$ threw in for Kinect 2? How will they recover it if they are selling less Kinect?

For the better of Xbox fans.
Now they are eating more crow. Thanks to M$.

The removal of Kinect does not mean its on par with PS4 because the public knows it will still be an under powered overpriced competitor to the PS4.

rainslacker4401d ago

Yeah. I find it funny how you find some positive spin for everything MS. Weren't you one of the people claiming Kinect was integral to the system, and all the things MS changed since the reveal were so awesome for everyone...even after they were reversed? Do you feel no shame knowing that you have less conviction than MS does.

Sales are a direct reflection of feedback. Always has been. MS changed everything when they notice that they aren't selling as much as they thought they wanted to.

DRM being dropped : low pre-order numbers

Titanfall bundle price drop : low sales numbers week over week showing no faith that TF would be a system seller.

Dropping Kinect : See above, and Sony greatly outpacing XB1 only 6 months into the generation.

Somehow, I don't think this is the position that MS wanted to be in, but I will agree with you that the changes are for the better.

I do hope for MS sake that the lower price point without Kinect will help spur sales for their system. While the system isn't doing poorly when looked at on it's own, if MS can't manage to increase sales their market share is going to be more akin to the PS2/OXB era, which increases the probability that MS will drop out come next gen, or worse, drop support for the XB1 pre-maturely to offer something new.

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iain044401d ago

Give it up noob he saw Sony kicking there butts and spun the 'you asked we listened'. I intend to buy a Xbone so I'm not a hater but seriously accept it's more to do with lack of sales rather than giving a monkeys what the fans want

LOGICWINS4401d ago (Edited 4401d ago )

And the 360 was kicking the PS3s butt early on last gen, forcing Sony to prematurely drop their price less than a year after launch. I remember it very clearly because I bought my PS3 in the Summer of 2007 at Circuit City. The price dropped to $499 less than a month after I bought it and I got a hundred bucks back.

Sony did it last gen, now MS is doing it this gen. Both companies did it. The question is why are people bitching? These companies are trying to give us these consoles for LESS money. Whether it was MS "listening to gamers" or "getting their ass kicked by Sony" doesn't matter...WE benefit. THATS all that matters.

Its like having Eiza Gonzalez wanting to put her tongue in your mouth and you stop her to ask if your being "punked".

Who cares?!

DigitalRaptor4401d ago (Edited 4401d ago )

Maybe. Still, the PS3 was priced above the Xbox 360 for practically an entire generation, and outsold it almost every single year. It cut down an 8 million unit lead with a horribly repressed console, with poor marketing, high price point, inferior mulitplats, harder to develop for. If both consoles had released simultaneously the PS3 would still be at roughly 11 million sales more than the 360, so I don't get why people would think the gap is closing, or going to closed in the future, when perception of Sony's console is the complete opposite as it was last generation. By that logic, performance should be through the roof this generation, compared to last, and from what we can tell, it is.

But like you said, it doesn't matter when the gamer benefits. Still, transparency in logic is what matters, and as your username suggests why should you let people skew logic for their own agendas and spread that misinformation to others? They can tell people MS lowered the price because "they listened", just like they continue to believe they removed DRM and always-on because "they listened", but everyone with a solid brain and a knowledge of the market knows that it was a reactionary decision to poor performance, not consumer complaints.

Oh and Eliza Gonzalez, I don't recall her ever doing anything questionable in terms of industry practice that would put me off her in the first place. I really enjoy her in From Dusk Til Dawn. :)

Father__Merrin4401d ago

I wonder how they will change it next year? I know for sure they not doing it for fans

ats19924401d ago

So if Sony changes something they are doing it for the fans but if Microsoft changes something they are only doing it for the money?

ninsigma4401d ago

No they both do it for the money. The difference is Sony hasn't had to change it's vision because no one was buying their console. They've only been adding to the experience. Correct me if I'm mistaken though.
There is no dount that if xb1 sales were just as good as ps4, they wouldn't have removed kinect, even with all the requests to do so.

ats19924401d ago

@ Ninsigma

Sony definitely had to change their vision a lot during the ps3 era but i didn't see anybody mentioning that.

Spotie4401d ago

What did they change, ats? Rather than claiming they made changes to their vision for PS3, why not LIST those changes Sony made?

cooperdnizzle4401d ago

@ats. What did Sony have change about there vision with the ps3?? Lowering price is not changing their vision. They never took away blu ray, and they never let go of the multimedia aspect so please tell me what they changed?

kewlkat0074401d ago

Sony made a couple of changes with the ps3...price drops are always due to market forces when they are done very early on. That's just business.

-Ps3 had real backwards compatibility with the original ps2 hardware then it disappeared.

-ps3 also had "other OS" at some point then poof it disappeared.

The Ps3 you can buy now is not the ps3 that launched obviously.

SilentNegotiator4401d ago

No, one company is just proactive and the other makes changes too late whilst insulting its fans' intelligence.

ninsigma4401d ago

@ats

What did they change?? I can;t think of anything off the top of my head. Feel free to provide examples. Like I said, they've been adding to the experience, not removing. With the likes of PS+ and the free games every month. Adding netflix not behind a paywall from the start. Music unlimited services. Increased developer support, releasing top notch games winning plenty of awards. The new PS Now service. I'm not saying they're perfect, they've made plenty of mistakes (like the hacking fiasco) but none of their mistakes have been against the consumer. Microsoft have constantly made policies that benefit them, and while that's not necessarily a bad thing, they are a business after all, they shaft their customers at the same time as doing so. And then you have Sony who create experiences that, while yes it is to gain money and benefit them, are consumer friendly.

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incendy354401d ago

It is definitely evolving quickly, been great to see/experience. Can't wait to where they take it next!

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle38d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7738d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Star Wars: Bounty Hunter Let Jango Fett Loose

LucasArts gave Jango Fett his own game in 2002, and it pulled Star Wars into a much dirtier, rougher, and more interesting corner of the galaxy.

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I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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We Are Xbox

Dear team,

Xbox has always been different.

We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.

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Outside_ofthe_Box43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300043d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7243d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit42d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania43d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit42d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0742d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr43d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box43d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr43d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9543d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7243d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

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What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7243d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket43d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm43d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde43d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9242d ago (Edited 42d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_43d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted43d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit42d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9242d ago (Edited 42d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT43d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers43d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14943d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0742d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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