
The official HR Manager for Arkane Studios Austin,has stated that the studio is currently developing a game using Crytek,s Cryengine and is hiring also across multiple positions.
Though bear in mind this is Arkane Studios Austin not Arkane Studios France(the main studio that developed Dishonored),so this could be unrelated to Dishonored.

The founder and former president of Microsoft-owned Arkane Studios has criticised Game Pass, and claimed that it’s been “increasingly damaging” the industry.
“Why is no-one talking about the elephant in the room? Cough cough (Gamepass),” Colantonio wrote.
“I think Gamepass is an unsustainable model that has been increasingly damaging the industry for a decade, subsidized by MS’s ‘infinite money’, but at some point reality has to hit. I don’t think GP can co-exist with other models, they’ll either kill everyone else, or give up.”
The WolfEye Studios founder went on to state that he’s “fed up with all the bs [Xbox] fed us” around Game Pass allegedly not affecting premium game sales.
He added: “It’s a long game that involves throwing a tsunami at the entire ecosystem of the industry. Only the gamers like it because the offer is too good to be true, but eventually even gamers will hate it when they realize the effects on the games.”
Seeing what's happening to the movie industry happen to gaming is sad, greedy mega corps like MS just destroying everything they touch so a few already rich people can get even richer at the cost of everyone else is painful.
He’s actually a brave man for speaking up. This is what Google Gemini said about the job cuts that Microsoft told the ABK hearing WOULDN’T happen:
‘During the hearings and regulatory reviews for its acquisition of Activision Blizzard, Microsoft made various arguments and assurances regarding potential job losses.
Primarily, Microsoft's argument to the courts and regulators, particularly the FTC, was that the acquisition was a "vertical" merger rather than a "horizontal" one. In a vertical merger, different stages of production are combined, while a horizontal merger involves competing entities. Microsoft claimed that horizontal mergers often lead to the elimination of "redundancies" in staff, implying that a vertical merger like theirs would avoid such widespread job cuts because the companies wouldn't be directly competing in the same way. They stated that the post-merger company would be structured and operated in a way that would "readily enable Microsoft to divest any or all of the Activision businesses as robust market participants in the unlikely event that such a divestiture is ordered." This essentially meant they argued for limited control over studio operations, which would ideally mean less direct overlap leading to layoffs.
Furthermore, when mass layoffs did occur within Activision Blizzard and Xbox after the acquisition was completed, Microsoft responded to the FTC's concerns by stating that Activision had already been planning significant job cuts even as an independent company, citing broader trends in the gaming industry.’
Gamers will also hate it when they realize they’ve been walled in and would have to pay more than they used-to to play the same amount of games.
“Either kills off everything or give up”
Well, that has been MS’s goal since they entered gaming. They thought they would come in and create a monopoly. They are now trying to do that.
We been saying that for years now but Xbox fanboys refuse to accept the fact it's an amazing deal for gamers and worst for developers and publishers who depend on games sales which equals to their royalties snd bonuses
15 million players played doesn't mean much to a developer but only 2 million were sales. With all the wrong decisions MS have made with Xbox brand since 2011 till now there is no turning back. Whether we like it or not in 10 years time Xbox will be a software publisher. People have seem to forgotten the fact the last few years of Xbox 360 were really dry and people defended it saying MS are preparing for next generation yet Xbox one generation was even worst and now XSX. It has been going downhill for 15 years now
Only time Xbox was at top was with broken systems RROD and launching a year early. PS3 not only caught but surpassed Xbox 360 sales launching a full year after and at a much higher price
I hear a rumour that Microsoft is challenging a ruling that Sony will no longer be able to block GamePass on PlayStation... imagine that! All of MS games on Sony's machine for £15 month. Day in date. Super win.
That would be very very bad for many devs. Also, if Sony isn't able to make that 20-30% cut, that would then cut into their own profits. If MS is cutting so many people with GP cannibalizing on sales on Xbox, what do you think will happen to the sales they get on Playstation?
"Super win."
For who? The fired workforce or the gamers that can't play the games MS cancelled because they prioritised shutting down studios to make the rich richer?
As a Playstation gamer i absolutely DO NOT WANT GamePass. I think GamePass is a cancer in many ways and many variables, in regards to the decision making and development process of actual games.
If Sony PS doesn't want Gamepass on their consoles they have every right & there's absolutely nothing MS can do about that...lol!!
Rightfully so.
Gamepass is killing the industry and has caused significant damage to the xbox brand.
You cant justifiably argue that its a good thing for the industry with countless amounts of documented proof just this morning an article was published that first party costs are not included in gamepass costs so gamepass is not actually profitable.
The whole hey use co pilot to do your job now that everyone is fired
The constant missteps are wild
Thousands of people lost their jobs
Multiple studios shut down
Huge multi year projects cancelled
Yet this is just in the eyes of playstation gamers just get out of here with that shit man
The part that I fear most is now that they have gobbled up IP’s that were once vibrant from studios that prided themselves on “when it’s ready” release schedules, those treasured IP will begin to die off and not come back. Perfect Dark is the most recent example, but I fear the worst for other treasured franchises like Elder Scrolls. The writing was on the wall for most of us that opposed this mass consolidation. If you love gaming, and you love the IP, MS buying it all up should have been a huge red flag instead of a celebrated “win” for Green brand. MS won, gamers lost.
It’s gotten so ridiculous that MS could crap on some Xbox fans lawn and some of them would ask for more.
Any gaming access subscription system is not meant to move gaming forward. It’s only meant to change the playing field and create a constant revenue stream in order to show a semblance of success on that field.
Subscribers only see the immediate "value" (price of games) saved, and they fail to see the eventual "value" (quality of games) lost.
Worst of all, a subscriber becomes an accomplice of the system because of that perceived price value saved.
We’re so obsessed with lowering the effect on the wallet now (understandably so), that we don’t think of the eventual effect on the quality of the medium, subsequently the enjoyment and appreciation of it.
I dont agree. I think something like ea play or ps plus where the games come to the service years down the line once they've finished their primary sales part of their life is fine. It's a little bit like the movie industry where it has the box office. And if the gap between cinema release and arrival on did and digital and then eventually arrival in streaming services is large enough. Customers will still go and see it at the cinema. Infact for good films the gap can actually be short- the batman made over 700 million and it released to digital and dvd after 3 months, infact it was available digitally whikst still in the cinema. But most films cant do that. It's similar with games. They need that time available for a premium in order to be profitable. Then down the line when they are discounted heavily if they appear on a subscription service, that's fine. In some cases like a gsme like FBC: Firebreak coming day one to subscription services can be a good thing. The issue arises when its all your games and a bunch of others you buy out coming day 1 for free to the service that the economics just don't work. As Sony and Nintendo and square Enix and others all warned.
Even for older titles the same effect happens:
If consumers can find a cheaper way to consume, they will. Discounted games 6 months after launch, games going to GamePass/PS Extra...all have the same effect of making us not pay full price for the game.
Premium products aren't found in bargain bins (even after 6 months), and games should be the same. If we want a healthy industry with quality games, we're going to have to pay for it, and all these bargain bin approaches that allow us to pay less are only going to lead to more layoffs and lower quality games.
He's right.
I remember the days when Game Pass was introduced and its future features were presented. It sounded phenomenal.
At the same time though, the very first questions from many of us were:
Where do they get the promised content from? And how the hell are they planning to fund D1 releases?
Through sacrifices.
Today translated as massive consolidations/acquisitions, more than just one price hike for GP, price hikes for consoles & accessoires, thousands of cut off employees, cancelled projects, loss of creativity, damage to legacies of studios, even to their own Xbox IP.
And possibly a highly aggrevated working environment at this very moment, because noone really knows what to do.
I really wonder what news we all will be reading about Xbox at the end of this or even next year.
Gamespass is not profitable. They appear to not count the development budget of those day 1 games into the running costs of gsmes pass. If they did , I guarantee there is just no way its profitable.
Yeah.
Well, at least not with only 35 mill subs at an average price/sub of ... whatever they earn now in average.
Gamepass is profitable. Just Google it. 35 million subscribers paying 15 or 19 bucks monthly. Even if they only subscribed for one month its still making a lot of money. Is that why psplus exist? They wanted to be not profitable too?😆
@Reaper22_
I don't see sony releasing God of war or death stranding 2 or Ghost of yotel or Astro Bot day one on PS+. Considering these games are guaranteed to sell and recover the development and promotion cost within a day or two of release.
Sony's puts games on GP+ a year or more after release and once sales have died down you know once they have made all the profit from the sale of the games.
This is exactly what some of us were trying to warn everyone else, years ago. It was always going to end up having a negative effect on the gaming market with quality and quantity effected and sales much lower.
Now that Raphaël Colantonio is out of contract with MS, I'm glad to see that the some devs were thinking the same way
It is.
No one will create an rpg in those conditions, they will create part1 see how it goes, if it doesnt achieve a metric it will get cancelled and youll have the netflix two seasons and cacelled virus.
At least on a full sale you get the entire story of the game and a endpoint. Good luck on a sub model
No you won't. Why does netflix cancel stuff after two seasons? Because they have to pay the cast more in contracts if a season is successful and gets renewed. So they cancel stuff to cut costs because their ONLY source if revenue is the subscriptions. The difference with ps plus is the games still need to seell well to be successful. Later down the line they come to ps plus and people who would have bought them dirt cheap or not at all then have a chance to play them, which if they have a sequel is a great thing because people may realise they like the game. There is also the oppertunity for the service to support certain niche titles and give them a larger audience, games that otherwise wouldn't get funding. Games like Stray or FBC:Firebreak.
The difference here is that different than MS ---- Playstation NEVER promised day one games on ps plus extra. So its very different.
MS on the other hand HAS TO bring their games day one because their whole spiel relies on that. It was built do fail.
Their games are multiplat so that helps with boxed sales. Hardly anyone's hurting if it's multiplat.
Of course not. They can't see past their disdain for anything Microsoft or xbox related. Sony does similar things and its crickets. So keep the it coming gamers.
As for the Arkane founder, he's entitled to his opinion. The Gamepass model works for Microsoft and a lot of other developers. Is it sustainable? That remains to be seen. So far its doing pretty good.
"As for the Arkane founder, he's entitled to his opinion. The Gamepass model works for Microsoft and a lot of other developers. Is it sustainable?"
No they just killed off a bunch of teams and games. now take your pick;
- Mismanagement of teams and projects.
- Gamepass cannibalizes sales
- Attachment rate to games is far lesser when its " free"
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I’ll tell you exactly why PlayStation plus is “bad, but to a far lesser extent”
*Gamespass* gives day one games which makes people say and get used to the idea that I am not buying ANYTHING because I can get it on Gamespass under the cost of my subscription. If a game is NOT on Gamespass I’ll just play the other new games I have not finished until it is. I’m part of Microsoft and the game industries problem. I’ve had a series X day one and have bought ZERO games. I play most of my games on PC Gamespass.
PS plus gives a lot more games that have been out over a year and sometimes 2 depending on how much life it has. Their sales have slowed or stopped by then and they’ve gone through a few sales. While it’s true someone can say well I’ll play the backlog until this title is available on my subscription, if ever, FOMO is a mf. You can’t play COD 2 years later. By then it’s sequel will be near release and you’ll be a game behind if they are still alternating years. People will still be largely buying games and good day one releases on PlayStation and the DAY One releases are surprises, not the norm.
Thing about gaming is I STILL buy games on Steam and PlayStation day one. I even buy PlayStation games that are on Gamespass because I prefer the controller or would rather play it on the couch than the PC chair.
In closing, yes it can be said PlayStation Plus extra is also bad, but it’s FAR less and on a totally different scale and application.
Just because a game is on gamepass doesn't mean people don't buy it. I have gamepass but ill still buy some games that I want to own even though theyre available on gamepass. You make it seem like all new games including 3rd party always release on Gamepass which isn't true at all. Its only a small fraction. Yes sony does stuff a little different with psplus. Its their model and it works for them. Microsoft doesn't have as many xbox console out there than sony has playstations so their game sales won't be as much. So their gamepass subscriptions can make up for that by keeping providing games so the subscriptions will keep going. On a bad note psplus also locks certain ps4 games behind a service which hi think is not a good thing. You're saying plus is bad to a lesser extinct but bad is bad. Don't try to sugar coat it. No one makes anyone pay for either service and Microsoft doesn't make people people join gamepass nor do they force 3rd party devs to put their games on the service.Its a choice. I'm glad there are choices and they are a little different. Who the hell wants two services that are exactly the same.
No, because the games only come to the service after their primary premium sales portion of the games life cycle is done. We are talking years down the line usually. Do you see spiderman 2 on there? Nope. God of war ragnarok recently came to the service but it sold 15 million + units first. Ac shadows isnt on there yet. The older titles are but they already sold millions and millions. There are lots of examples of this. The two services arent the same.
They arent the exact same but they are similar. Both have the same goal which is to boost subscriptions and make more money. Of course sony can afford to delay adding certain games because of how many PS5 units they've sold so they have the potential to make money there like you said. The downside is most people who want to play those games have already played it and own it so that may diminish their subscription memberships. Xbox versions of games aren't going to bring in those numbers. But the subscrption is can make up for a lot of that. Look at what a subscription cost. If they can manage to keep someone subscribed they stand to make much more.
To anyone supporting subscription models or any “disruptive” tech: look at what’s happened with Netflix, Disney, Uber, etc. Once they have the market, they close the gate behind them and start upping the price every few months, all because we’ve eliminated any alternative. They will hold your favourite titles hostage behind their paywall and skimp on quality year after year. Don’t fall for the hype. Don’t let them do it. They all want to be the only game in town and once they get what they want, you’ll never get what you had back.
Luckily, if you're a PC gamer at least, if this were to happen, it would just create more sailors. Perhaps, that is the saving grace here. Not sure how console gamers can work it though.
Exactly why I never subbed to any one of them, I valued my physical media releases, they'll be surprised at how many wanted their favorite shows on discs, but nope most of them are forever stuck behind a monthly sub and they can take away your access to them in any second.
I'd buy a complete 2017 Ducktales boxset on blu-ray for example.
I'm still pissed that my favorite free show disappeared without a warning just because its license ran out or they want to push some other new crap they want you to watch instead.
All industries raise prices. Thats just how it is. People aren't going to stop playing games and streaming content. Yes, people will complain as usual but the overall majority aren't going anywhere. Sony raised prices over 55% for psplus in Turkey. Are you gonna stop playing Playstation because of it? The answer is no.
Lol can't blame Gamepass for Redfall bombing. In fact Gamepass is probably the reason the number that played it even did so. Deathloop was meh too. Last good game was Dishonored 2
Saying what? Gamepass is successful. A lot of devs want their their games in the service.
Devs making crappy gsmes they dont think are gonna sell and want an out fron potential failure want their gsmes on gamespass day 1. Or devs MS has offered a boatload of cash to that fully covers their dev costs.
I also think Game Pass has been detrimental to game sales, but that's why the metric has shifted to engagement rather than units sold. Maybe it's a way to obfuscate the bottom line, I don't know. This guy is definitely not the first to point out his disdain for Game Pass, and I don't believe he'll be the last.
But, to be fair, there are others still lauding Game Pass as very positive for their projects.
From the article:
"Rebellion CEO Jason Kingsley recently claimed that launching into Xbox Game Pass had been “a huge success” for survival action game Atomfall.
“Microsoft has been a fantastic partner to work with, they’ve really leaned in to helping us,” he told GI.biz. “They brought their skills and their scale to bear on our small project, and it’s done really, really well for them, so they got a good deal, we got a good deal out of it as well.”
You can maybe argue that he's only cheerleading GP because big daddy MS/Xbox is giving him the moneybag, and that is a very logical assumption. I think it's fair to say that some games have been more 'successful' on GP than if they were being sold outright.
The "Game Pass Effect" has definitely conditioned some gamers to expect upcoming third-party games to land on the service rather than them having to buy the game. They are already getting that guarantee for the first-party games. That leads to a theory of mine where I think that this is one of the reasons that Xbox has closed a lot of their studios (in addition to trying to fund their AI initiative). Xbox is losing so much money guaranteeing their first-party games day one on GP that they'd rather shut down the studios than release the games. Like I said, it's just a theory. But like all good conspiracy theories, it sounds like it could be true 😊
The brand is irreparable at this point. What incentive other than GamePass does Xbox hold? You can get all their sh*t on PlayStation. Like, I can’t make a real argument to even get a next-gen Xbox. I only bought a Series S because of the “exclusives,” which either got cooked or came out mid to trash. Even if they gutted out the cancer that’s the high ups running this show I can’t see the brand ever getting back to the 360 era. It’s really sad, honestly.
You cant get all xbox games on playstation. Thats never gonna happen. You can get some but that doesn't mean all people will stop playing xbox. IMO Xbox still has the best features, controller and other things it does better than Playstation. It also has been doing better than playstation as far as game releases lately. If im not mistaken, you can get playstation punlished games on steam/PC which look and play better. Does that mean people should stop buying playstation as well. Concord was a mega bomb and many gamers said its trash. Should we trust them on any other game that has an online focus? Maybe or maybe not.
Years ago, Sonys network went down for over a month. People personal information was stolen and they lost hundreds of millions of dollars l.Should we not trust the playstation brand because of it. Stop acting like xbox is the only one who have had to get over some hurdles. All these double standards are ridiculous.
Many of us here stated the obvious problems with MS, Gamepass, and the acquisitions long ago. People speaking out now is too little too late. Where were they years ago? Damage is done now.
I've been saying GamePass is bad for the gaming industry from the jump. Honestly I like Phil Spencer as a person. He genuinely seems like a really good guy. That said, he and his team's poor decisions, like GamePass, coupled with confusing and contradictory messaging, and lack luster hardware sales is more than enough reasons for MS to move on and bring in a new team with new ideas. At this point I think strategically they should exit the dedicated hardware space for now and focus on assisting their studios with making good to great content as a publisher.
They are going to exit the dedicated hardware space. Thats most likely what they've been planning for a long time. You don't need a traditional dedicated console to play games anymore but for now its still the best way. I believe sony will do the same thing in the future. Right now their hardware sales are still going strong but not as many as it used to be. In the future, consoles will be way too expensive for the average person to afford and for them to produce ,and the majority of the money is coming from the software anyway. People may stop buying hardware like they used to but the games will always be here. Just imagine 20 years from now how much a game is going to cost. We are already looking at 70 and 80 dollar games and the cost to make them is steadily rising. The more expensive things get the less people will buy.
If they were going to leave the hardware space, why are they making a next gen console set to release in 2027?
At this point, I think going forward would be to shun Xbox and MS from anymore gaming events. Companies hosting these events need to step up and tell MS your no longer welcome to our event. The more you hurt Xbox/MS the better for in the industry. Hurting them financially would be the best course of action.
I never thought people using a streaming service instead of buying a game would hurt sales..who could have seen this coming

Developers at Arkane Studios are reacting to the announcement of the shutdown of Arkane Austin, calling it "absolutely terrible".
The situation looks like this in reality. Of course, I don't know all the nuances, but an independent studio generally wants to go under a big company to get financial backing so they can make the games they dream of. Then a bad game is made...for some reason...the big company gets disappointed, a lot of money was spent on them and they had to shut down the company they bought, because they lost faith in them. That's exactly what happened. I don't know what happened to Tango...
@rakentaja: You don't need to sell your company to get financial backing. Not to mention that the idea that you're going to be allowed to make the game of your dreams under a big publisher is naive to begin with.
More often than not, indies are just bad at the financial side of the business. It's common to underestimates the production budget needed and hire too many people leaving the studio in a vulnerable position. A lot of them sell out of necessity, not because they want to.
There are textbook scenarios where it's good...
Microsoft is definitely not one of those scenarios
I get it, but frankly, AA failed pretty badly on Redfall. The XBOX production team is also to blame (they are safe as usual) for releasing a game this hyped in a sorry state. There are lots of fail points on Redfall, but only Arkane bears the pain.
They were set up to fail by Zenimax and had been for a while. They should have done Prey 2, but instead were forced to do mp games.
Apparently even with Prey they wanted to name it something else, they didn't want to use the Prey name because it had nothing to do with it.
That alone put a lot of people off playing it out of support for the original.
@Foxtrot
Yeah, it was a mess, that whole business. Could probably also have done a killer Dishonored 3 if given the chance, right after Prey, when they had a top tier team.
the game (at launch) certainly wasnt all that. the performance update later on made it better but Im glad I got the special edition controllers when I did. Those are nice.
True. We don't know exactly who to blame for what, but end of the day you're not getting paid to put out crappy games.
I hope at least they kept the good people and moved them into other divisions
"Welcome to the Xbox family, graveyard is out back, what should we put on your epitaph?" Microsoft turning into this generation's EA, spend all those billions on Activision while closing studios they've run into the ground.
lmao forgot about that meme. Still pissed at EA for shutting down Westwood, Pandemic, Origin and Maxis. I will never forgive them for that.
Why I’m really disappointed in Xbox and MS at large. At the same time let’s not pretend that somehow this isn’t an industry issue. Theirs a graveyard behind every major publisher. The only company I haven’t seen canning people is Nintendo and let’s hope that trend continues.
Yup, when a big company grab you, they would like... "We are family, we are match in the heaven!"... and then the minute the bonus check is too small... "Sorry, turns out I was wrong, but since we own you now, we cannot release you, we will just wipe you off from the earth."
Yet another reason not to sell yourselves to a major corporation. But what did these people expect when the game flopped so hard? They should have seen it coming.
Expect more studios to close in the not-too-distance future.
Well, they bought Bethesda because it was drowning. And whoever thought they bought them to save the people or teams, was wrong. They just wanted the IPs. That was the real deal.
Microsoft doesn't care about the studios it absorbs, or the people for that matter. It's the IPs they want, nothing else.
So Bethesda gets bought out and the developers at the studio are forced to publish a half-baked game. The game does horribly so now they are being shut down? The devs that made Deathloop, Prey, and Dishonored make one bad game and just like that...

Microsoft has closed a number of Bethesda studios, including Redfall maker Arkane Austin, Hi-Fi Rush developer Tango Gameworks, and more in devastating cuts at Bethesda, IGN can confirm.
Hi-Fi Rush studio??? Seriously?? Goes to show quality matters lil to MS.
Worst gen ever. All big 3 battling are for who sucks the most. They just keep one upping one another.
This does feel like a “quick Sony is getting shit on for Helldivers, let’s announce it now to minimise impact”
That is silly. Let's say there is some weird conspiracy. This announcement would effectively take ALL the attention away from the HD2 situation, especially since there is no longer an HD2 situation. I don't think anything will minimize this impact.
... so they announce it on a Tuesday? 36 hours after Sony cleared up everything?
You people care more about the next conspiracy than anything else.
Nevermind that Sony followed the golden rule of minimizing impact by announcing horrible news on a Friday.
The constant weekly weird Sony drama is part of the industry's problem. Everyone else feels they can get away with murder. Also, what is the point of spending all that money if you just start shutting studios down. And... Redfall wasn't Arkane's fought. Microsoft new the shape the game was in but needed something for GamePass after a whole year of no releases into the service. Them taking it out on Arkane seems really disingenuous and distasteful. And WTF did Tango do? Didn't Todd just release a statement saying how he would never retire. Fire his ass.
Yes it does. Arkane Austin I can understand but Tango Gameworks made an excellent game in Hi Fi Rush.
On review, it want really all on Austin for Redfall and its failure, they were forced to make a multiplayer games when their expertise was always single player driven first person games.
"I don't think anything will minimize this impact."
It already has. Notice your comment(or lack there of) vs HD2.
On another note, I would like to see Microsoft buy more studios and do more shadows drops on subscription services like they did Hi-Fi Rush. It's great for the industry I was told by people on here.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it works. Same thing with layoffs. All of a sudden everyone has layoffs around the same time
MS will always make it to amaze me by showing the worse version of themselves every single time..
MS proving to the world that ttheir leadership cannot drive success from these new acquisitions. They have ran the numbers and they have realized that long term, without a clear direction from the motehrship, these are a loss for the company hence they need to be cut. I might be wrong but I am absolutelly sure that if these developers would have not been purchased by Microsoft they would be still on business. A shame ...
Both things have happened but N4G's commenters (90% Playstation ) will follow suit
10/10 deflection, the ol' Sony too deflect...
Let's not discuss the fact that PlayStations struggles have largely been caused by the fact that game pass has reshaped how consumers spend causing them to spend less as they play what is on subscriptions and don't buy games as much because they either have become subscription gamers or they fear the game will come to a subscription so they don't buy things.
And it's not just PlayStation, the whole industry has been effected, many big studios are struggling across the board to match sales targets from pre-game pass releases which is especially apparent in things like sequels.
Heck the best example was Microsoft's own Starfield which should have easily blasted past 10m sales by the end of 2023 going by sales of similar Bethesda games yet was only able to achieve 3m which of course was almost entirely on Steam.
Or maybe it's because Sony hasn't released multiple worthwhile SP games like they normally do each gen and the ones they did released actually sold well.
Layoffs aren't because studios are struggling, but because major publishers want to maximise profit gains.
Absolutely it's a service that's changed the way we view and consume games overall for the worse games have little value when they are part of a sub and become disposable doubly so if they are a day 1 freebie often it's the kiss of death for a game to be day 1 on gamepass as PlayStation players look at it like why do I have to pay 60 dollars for back 4 blood, payday 3 or outriders it'll be on PS plus soon enough and funny enough those games always fail to meet expectations sales are poor and longevity is poor.
When I see a game get a day 1 tag outside of first party my first thought is always something is wrong with it and it can't stand on its own feet so the publisher has made a deal to recoup development cost.
Even first party games have dropped in quality noticeably so since gamepass with gears 5 being the only good release I can think of since gamepass started
Wasn't aware that Gamepass is available on PlayStation.
Or are you telling us that a service from a console lacking in sales is so great that it affects the morale and buying habits of ppl lacking access to the service?
Also pretty sure that saying all of them competing for who sucks means the whole industry and not just Sony and MS.
This is what people online want. They just don't know or understand it. So many have warned about consolidation, and exactly what they have fear has been happening
This isn't the end, expect more bought out studios to be closed in the next few years
Spot on. All in the name "growth" to appease investors and shareholders. Can't sustain the lie though...it will always implode as illustrated by these closures. Applies to MS and Embracer.
This. ^
Publishers are slowly mitigating all development risk since every new big/medium budget game has become too big to fail. Games are too expensive to make and the profitability for titles rests on a hair’s edge. When you need to sell 5 million copies of a game to be profitable, you know that we’ve turned a new page in gaming. The real victims here are the smaller studios/games that bring so much character and variety to the industry, like with Hi-Fi Rush.
It looks to me that Hi-Fi Rush did not fulfill financial expectations for moving the GamePass needle, and the sales from the PlayStation port experiment did not measure up either. So it gets the boot.
Sad day and era for gaming.
I just don’t know how the hell a company that can spend $67b to purchase a publisher decided that it’s okay to close the studio that produces their best game last year.
Whoever the higher up there that decides this is completely out of touch of how the game industry works, the damn xbox division as a whole would’ve been closed already if they weren’t sustained by other MS divisions.
I got in an argument with someone on reddit and they weren't haven't that Xbox isn't propped up by other divisions argument. They swore up and down that Xbox was pulling its own weight. I just stopped after a couple back and forths
Didn’t move the GamePass needle and the PlayStation port couldn’t save the return on investment….
So this is what happens when you're pleased with the sales and investing in the studio? Good guy Phil at it again.
From Aaron Greenburg:
"Hi-Fi RUSH was a break out hit for us and our players in all key measurements and expectations. We couldn’t be happier with what the team at Tango Gameworks delivered with this surprise release."
😂😂😂 🤥🤥
Once again MS creates their own problems and they create their own animosity. Idc about their shitty excuse and "reasons" they're a incompetent company, plus all their Xbox fanboy influencers are dwindling I noticed. How many excuses can you make for a company like MS? Consoles are down and they're losing their own fanboy influencers also. That's all they had to cheer lead them now they're leaving them. Pretty nobody will be on MS dude no matter if they (if they ever but I doubt it) get their act together.
Trashy ass ppl and company....
If they go under eventual it's because of their own doing nobody else's.
Yeah overall this gen is pretty shit. Everyone is making horrible decisions, great devs are getting either gutted or entirely shut down regardless of quality or success, very little in the way of innovative games, etc. This industry needs to see some drastic changes.
where are all the cheerleaders for MS acquisitions amid all these?? you guys happy now? this will not be the end of it, maybe just the beginning!
Maybe it has to do with this:
Hinji Mikami is leaving Tango Gameworks in the coming months.On February 23 it was reported that Mikami would be departing Tango Gameworks. Bethesda has stepped in to confirm the report of Mikami's forthcoming departure from the studio he founded over a decade ago.
Mikami originally founded Tango Gameworks in 2010 after departing Capcom, having lead the development of iconic games like Resident Evil and Resident Evil 4.
Prey was fantastic. Red fall was shit because they were forced to do shit they didn't want to make.
Atkane Lyon did death loop I believe....I hated that one.
@shinoff2183
Because Prey was creative and different
Other than the live service Redfall, all other single-player Arkane projects have been creative and interesting
@Crows90
So just because people don't want to do something in life...bad quality is excused? Look what happened over that bad quality? no more studio
Will be more soon, I've said it before I can't see MS keeping Bethesda. I think they'll strip it's IPs and slowly close everything, it's what they do.
No one wants to admit it, but yeah MS has a long history of pillaging other smaller corporations for IP and dispensing with everything else.
That doesn't make any sense lol. How would they make money from these IP'S with no developers?
@Zeref
"That doesn't make any sense lol. How would they make money from these IP'S with no developers?"
MS don't care about the studios, they want the IP's. They'll keep the big ones in house, the game engines they run on and licence the rest. Stacks of cash to be made from licensing IP's ...or just sit on them so no one else can use them.
@Zeref silly fool, buy them for the IP have there other studios make the games using the IP names to sell them. We all know having a popular franchise name can sell
Well xbox fans you got what you asked for... and honestly deserved...
It was so easily predictable that game pass was never going to be able to support all these studios.
If Microsoft can't win they are going to burn it all to the ground...
Countdown to Phil Spencer telling us "it's better for the gamers this way" yet again.
@Barlos They indirectly did. Every person who made a wish list of who Microsoft should buy next and were sending tweets to Phil Spencer and Xbox with proposed studios, played a part.
The saddest part is the studios were closed because of the underperformance of their last games, and if they had been given a chance then their next games could’ve been great and succeeded. But it is the same old Phil Spencer Microsoft problem which is not giving them a chance, and that’s why he is not able to manage game studios.
Yeah they did. Just because they refused to see what everyone with a brain was telling them doesn't mean they didn't know. They were told, they should've put up a fight and they didn't. This is the result. But who knows even if MS' fans weren't such boot-lickers, MS could've carried this out against their fans wishes anyway. Unfortunately, we have the hardcore MS defense bots running to deflect from any bad news and maybe, just maybe, MS felt empowered to do more damage as a result of their fans cheering this all on.
They sold themselves out. Once people buy you they can do what they want. None of this should have been a surprise. When companies get bought out, they eventually get dismantled.
Xbox fans were to busy daydreaming of Ms curbstopping Sony they didn't look at the big picture.
Not disagreeing at all.
I want to add that from the day Microsoft announced game pass, before they even started buying up studios it was obvious that game pass wasn't going to be able to support itself.
It was so dumb that they doubled down on it by spending 100B on a service they knew only existed through subsidization.
They should have realized there was no way that adding massively more costs on a subscription they were subsidizing was certain to fail. Especially after seeing how it had devastated sales across the platform as a whole.
Heck by the time this generation started during covid when the console sales were similar PlayStation was already outselling xbox on multiplatform games 8:1 yet they still doubled down on it.
This is beyond wrong. Like wtf!? Especially Tango Gameworks with Hi-Fi Rush. I've heard nothing but good things about that game. Just because Arkane Austin screwed up one game release doesn't mean you need to close them. It sounds like they were forced to do a multiplayer game when they're a single player studio. They could have made a Prey 2 or some other game next.
Just wow awful news.
@Romulus23
All lies by the Green Bug, that just means that a lot of people fired bullets or whatever in the game, that's the key measurements they care to share.
Tango did NOT deserve to be closed down, they have not released a single bad game.
That's usually what happens when you don't release it at the same time as other platforms....same thing happened with tomb raider reboot sequel. MS got exclusivity for a year and then when it came to PlayStation it barely sold. Nobody cared anymore.
Well... I did my part. Hi-Fi Rush is a good game, but I don't think its MS' style. We don't really know how well it did or didn't perform by the numbers or whether it broke even. This could just be another MS blunder.
Exactly. MS purchasing a 3rd party studio & keeping games off of other platforms probably hurt them in the long run, then finally putting Hi Fi Rush on PS which in turn PS fans probably didn't care to buy & support Hi Fi Rush after a year later of release. Hi Fi Rush was released on Gamepass so it probably never really made any money selling solely.
@romulus23
Let's hope it didn't sell well because that would make this worse. Also I could have sworn I read an article about their next game in the works.
I was wondering if that played any part considering the timing, though, XB claimed the game to be a success last year only on XB & PC. Regardless MS f'd up there too. They shadow dropped HiFi on XB/PC last year at the perfect time. This year when they released on PS not only had the hype died, but there were so many solid games available the first 3 months of this year to play.
I almost bought it on PC last year, but now that it dropped on PS I just have far too many games to play to bother...
If MS needs PS and even Switch sales they need a better strategy. At the very least a release date where players are more inticed to buy said game. The problem is always going to be that if they want exclusives the hype for these games will be dead a year later. The exceptions might be some of their heavy hitters.... 2 cents
PS and PC owners probably bought more copies that Xbox owners.
I can only imagine the little amount of revenue both games generated, sent straight to gamepass and excluded from the largest current gen console userbase. Not to say both games would have done well if they were on PS5 too, but you heavily damage to a games revenue when you put it on a stagnating sub service for a poorly selling console, can't really see people going out in droves to sub to GP to play this.
Gamepass subs(most of Xbox players) don't buy games all like that so it's not sustainable. It's reality.
Yea Austin made one of the most creative game of last gen with Prey and were forced to take risk with Redfall and now the whole studio is being closed.
Yes, that Tango gameworks/ Hi-Fi closure was an eye opener for me as well. Neither played it nor was interested in it myself but all I heard was everyone acting like it was the second coming of guitar hero or something.
I don't know what else to say other than modern gaming is an overwhelming sea of mediocrity and there's not enough voices of reason speaking up and saying that most games made these days are just not very good.
Your playing the wrong games then. There's always been shovelware type games. Going back to wii, snes, nes, ps1 Xbox og. That's a bs blanket statement. As an older gamer since atari days I'd personally say this is a great time. If you can't find anything to play. That's on you
With all that said in no way or form am I speaking of multi-player games, gacha, or whatever. I'm strictly speaking on single player games.
you are hilarious. trying to validate your comment by excluding over half of the games out there today. Pathetic man.
Wait I was told Xbox had great engagement numbers?! Some Xbox fans said they bought games when I told them Xbox customers don't buy games?
So Xbox bought studios to keep games off other platforms and forgot they conditioned Xbox customers to not buy games. Whoops.
So anyone else think Outer World's 2 dies 🤔? I'm thinking a small game losing out on Nintendo and Playstation gamers buying will kill this IP. But it's okay Xbox fans can get more COD! Halo, Gears and Forza! Woot that's a 'win'. Yay Gamepass FTW
Can't wait to see the usual try spin and play this down. So much for the heroic MS and Phil saving these studios eh.
By the end of the day IGN will be talking about how this is right for the industry. Don't worry, Microsoft's PR is making the call now.
Tango did NOT deserve to be closed down, they have not released a single bad game, and I'm sure Arkhane failed just because they were both rushed and pressured into making a GaaS game they had no experience in doing and no support to get it completed out of the gate.
Not a big deal only hi fi rush was good
Sony has closed
Manchester studio
Japan studio
Pixel opus
London studio
Ready At Dawn ...
The difference being Sony has a large group of other studios that have done something positive. Microsoft just closed the studio to the only good game they released in the past year (Hi-Fi Rush).
They all suck as well of course. But MS spent 10s of billions on these publishers for mass consolidation, every made a song and dance about how MS would save them, using their endless Windows, 365 and Azure money to keep them open forever and how Phil was some hero.
Nothing is safe unless it makes money, even for MS.
Wow how far back do you want to go back.
Lionhead Studios
Aces Game Studio
BigPark
Carbonated Game
Digital Anvil
Ensemble Studios
FASA Studio
Good Science Studio
Hired Gun
Microsoft Studios Japan
Microsoft Studios Victoria
Team Dakota
Xbox Entertainment Studios
Xbox Live Productions
Lift London
Access Software
Salt Lake Games Studio
Twisted Pixel Games
WingNut Interactive
And more before this, this was just their cuts during xbone era that Phil cut while he was at the head.
And some of those PlayStation studios were merged not closed, most of the UK studios were folded into each other.
Japan Studio was renamed to Asobi not closed, aAsobi was an internal team of Japan Studio the "closure" the press misinformed people about was more or less a name change, the studio is in the same building and when the change happened less than 5 people mostly leadership positions chose to leave the studio to form Bokeh Studio, which still works closely with Sony.
And even if your deflection stood on it's own, Microsoft spent 3 Billion 3 years ago almost to the date to buy Zenimax and has already closed 2 of it's biggest studios and decimated Zenimax's support studio structure.
It's no wonder Todd Howard was talking about "more frequent releases" and letting other studios make their IP's games. The days of big budget huge Bethesda games is over...
In fact sadly Microsoft has ushered in the end of big budget gaming as we know it with their obviously unsustainable subscription industry change.
And I feel fully confident that this isn't the end of studio closures from these recently purchased studios.
Ready At Dawn was never a Sony owned studio, and only made a few smaller God of War games and a Jax and Daxter spin off, and of course The Order1866.
They are currently owned by OcUlus Studios.
How many times has MS fired Bethesda staff since they purchased it? I think it's been three rounds so far
London studio what have they made recently. Really the worst one was Japan studio. That sucked.
In reality though your deflecting. The fact of the matter is Ms just closed the studio that made their highest rated game in years. That's insane.
Ready At Dawn was never a PS first party studio.
Manchester was closed and it was proposed that London should be closed, but their website is still up with no news about it being closed on their official site anywhere. So it's possible that the proposed closure just did not happen to get fufilled. Meaning London Studio *MIGHT* still be open running lean.
Edit: Japan Studio was closed with some staff making up the new Asobi Team Studio who's first title was the PS5 pack-in game "Astro's Playroom." Pixel Opus was closed and not replaced or spun-off their only games were Entwined and Concrete Genie they also helped publish Journey according to Wikipedia.
Man you got crap info
Sony never owned Ready at Dawn. It's now owned by Oculus.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...
Phil needs to step down. What kind of usual spin do you want?
More and more people lose jobs but the people at the top stay the same. Hardware sales tank despite billions and billions spent. The math is plain and simple.
I'm still trying to figure out what was the real reason to acquire Bethesda for millions or Billions of dollars if you're closing down studios 🤔 What were their true intentions 🤔 I mean do Microsoft really want to be a third-party publisher? It sounds like they're confused.with their future in gaming
@Sonic1881
To rape each studio for their sweet succulent ultra-valuable IP. This is Microsoft's favorite past-time.
That is sad. Though MS owns the ip they could give it to another MS studio but without the original developers not on board it'll probably be better to just leave it alone.
That is a real bummer as the first game was really underrated and the second game was an absolute belter, so under appreciated.
I think losing Shinji Mikami was a big loss so I do wonder what the studio's next project would have looked like, but there is no defending the absolutely disgusting behaviour of MS, they are a cancer on the gaming industry!
Those poor people, I really hope they land on their feet
Also I hope The Evil Within 3 finds a new home
Funny because Shinji Mikami left Tango recently, I wonder if he knew what was coming
The industry just isn’t the same these days
It's alright though because Xbox announced their new Fire Vapor special edition controller today. 😒
That's crazy. Wasn't hi fi their highest rated game in years.
I wonder if it's because the studios founder left and others followed.
They should've just been left to their own devices. They made good games. Although I haven't tried hi fi yet (physical release, waiting to pre order)
Be Phil Spencer, he's been failing upwards for 10 years now. This is the result of his endless mismanagement.
Closing Tango is a travesty. I was disgusted when MS acquired them. Guess it turned out even worse than I could have imagined.
*looks at everyone who said buying activision would be good for the industry*
Look what recouping costs looks like. Tango delivered a great game in Hi-Fi Rush, and it didn't save them. Arkane is unfortunate but after Redfall, not wholly unexpected.
This sucks.
Plenty of Activision employees will be looking for a new job next year. Well over 1000 total from multiple cuts throughout the year.
The two studios had bled talent so I'm guessing they just didn't see them worth saving. Brutal business.
I bet someone at MS will get a nice bonus for this.
Isn't this the second or third round of firings at Bethesda since MS brought them out and limited where they can put their games?
I dont even know where to begin with. They acquired so many studios only to release mediocre games with Live Service elements to them, and then they started consolidating their studios by closing down competent ones.
Arkane Austin was forced to make a multiplayer game (just like Lionhead was forced to make a multiplayer Fable game), only to have them close down. That was a truly terrible move as they closed down a revered single player RPG developer studio at a time where they needed exclusives most (they also cancelled third party exclusive Scalebound).
Tango released a critically acclaimed game (which by August 2023, reached 3 million players between purchased copies and Game Pass subscriptions) which apparently was not enough.
That is terrible news by all accounts and no xbox fanboy should defend/spin this.
I just hope the developers are integrated into other teams or find other studios to work with
perfect timing after sony got shit for helldivers. haha. ridiculous.
i cam smell the bs that's coming our way from Phil.
Helldivers 2 situation was fixable and it has been fixed. Closing down Tango isn’t. Arkhane Austin I sort of get but really it was MS’s fault for hyping up Redfall because they had nothing else to hype and then pushing the unfinished game to release.
Gamers: “we want Xbox to fail! Sales are down!! Woohoo!!”
Also gamers: “Xbox is evil, they’re shutting down studios that make games!”
Also gamers: “buying Activision is good for gamers”.
Just stop. Nothing about this is good.
Not everyone wanted or wants to see Xbox shut down. I want them to do better without the take over the world mentality. I also hate their rush on killing off physical media. Yep they get a big fk from me for that.
Just to add. Not all Sony fans wanna see Ms go under sure some do. Have you seen youtube comments though from Xbox fans. Most of them seem to want Sony to legit die. The hatred is strong over there.
@z2g
"Gamers: “we want Xbox to fail! Sales are down!! Woohoo!!”"
Stupid Xbox fans. Yay I don't have to buy anything and Gamepass is great! Woot! Get COD and other huge releases on Gamepass. Man consolidation of all these great studios and IP is incredible. Oops just need to close studios now.
Don't say we didn't warn you! Oh wait we did and you guys didn't care. Remember Spencer can do no wrong
Dang it not Tango Gameworks. I wanted to see what they could do for Evil Within 3 with a bigger budget.
You just know, after all this, there will still be people online begging Microsoft to buy Sega.
After reading Matt Booty statement, they’re culling out diversity of games to put money on sure winners. A three trillion dollar company can’t even take a risk on small titles like HIfi rush….pathetic.
They can’t make sure winners though. Starfield was supposed to be a sure winner and it was botched. Halo Infinite I’m sure they thought was a sure winner. Redfall they hyped like a sure winner and said it was seen as such internally. They are full of sht
WTF?
Honestly, this is a piece of terrible news, especially regarding Tango gameworks which produce quality titles.
What message is this sending?
Produce great quality game but in the end you might still get fired?
Its the same message you've been singing from the rooftops about for the last 4 years.
The "WTF" here is how blind you've been to it but now suddenly see the light, i mean WTF?
Your point?
and care to tell me what message I have been singing for the past 4 years?
They dont care about talent or anything when they do cuts, they just consolidate and make people work harder and make shittier games in longer time.
The tango closure is shocking to me. Hi-fi rush started the positive turn around for Microsoft’s gaming division. This after they promised that soon the exclusives would come and when they finally started to they switched to multiplat. None of the big 3 care about the fan base and I get that becaus businesses are started to make money, but there is zero reason to have an Xbox now. Ask Phil he’ll tell you.
Worst generation ever. I feel an industry crash incoming.
I do hope everyone affected by this finds work very soon. Sad times
Hi-Fi Rush is refreshingly one of the only games to catch majority of people by total surprise when it drops
Hi-Fi Rush launches as an incredibly good game and reviews extremely well
Hi-Fi Rush wins multiple awards during award season
Hi-Fi Rush is one of the flagship games that Microsoft sends to other platforms to show off the standard of its first-party games
Microsoft shuts down the studio that made it
All in the space of like 16 months? Unbelievable...
Seems like a waste of cash to purchase someone just to shut down some studios. But hey least they lasted longer then when Google bought up three studios just to shut them down after a year.
It feels like we are in a recession. There are no careers anymore. Everyone is getting laid off and the companies are downsizing their labor force.
Everything is getting less and less affordable by the day.
I don't know why Microsoft closed Tango but it seems 2024 will be the year of layoffs.
What makes you think all comments must either be for or against Sony or Microsoft. Sadly, that is the message you got from my comment but you need to stop cheerleading for whichever side.
My comment reflects the reality of the tech industry these days. The gaming industry in particular now has no job security.
Plenty of jobs available in almost any industry. Corporations are charging more for items than they need to for record profits and jobs should pay more instead of paying CEO’s hundreds of millions but the job market is actually suffering from lack of workers in general.
Microsoft and xbox are a cancer to the gaming community since phil spencer took over, can't wait or him to get the AX.
Somewhere deep down... I knew they would cut Tango off. They don't make Xbox style games.
Great! Microsoft and their policies and shareholders just shut down an actual studio with talents, like Tango Gameworks because...reasons.
TBH this industry deserves to crash for all those crappy decisions take all for the sake of "profits" and less about what us(the consumer) wants or needs.
Tango made a smaller game going against the non sustainable standard of AAA gaming and Arkane was forced to released an incomplete game Phil knowingly pushed out to cover his arse for the lack of exclusives after the Bethesda purchase. When execs fk up, employees pay the price. Had plans to buy Hifi but now I won't buy it at all.
Like i said a few months back, Microsoft and idiot phil should have never bought Bethesda
Welcome to the future under Microsoft as they work to consolidate and recoup their massive costs on buying publishers. Everyone who was against MS' acquisitions saw this coming, all the idiots who praised it as good for competition are now acting surprised.
Game Pass is NOT sustainable. Get it through your heads.
Microsoft will focus on a handful of core IP that will sell, but over time they're going to degrade just like Starfield and Redfall because Microsoft does not care for gaming and because Game Pass CANNOT SUSTAIN TRIPLE A DEVELOPMENT.
This is not the last of it. Not even close.
Many Activision employees will be on the chopping block later this year or next year.
The only good news about seeing MS firing developers is now that they're free from MS's grip and can start a new company, such as what Mikami will likely do soon, and finally get back to making GOOD games again, which is almost impossible under Philly Spency.
Anyone with a shred of talent wants to get away from MS, so getting fired is a roundabout way to have it done.
Only Live Service games remain... when Hellblade 2 comes out... well good luck people at Ninja Theory. (RIP)
Well the founder and writer/director tameen antoniades left Ninja theory recently just like mikami left tango...everyone better download Hellblade 2 to keep the studio alive.
downloading doesn’t do nearly as much buying the game. Plenty of people downloaded Hi Fi Rush I’m sure but it didn’t help at all apparently. I buy just about ever game I play even though I have PS plus. I want my money going directly to the devs I like. If you are a Gamepass only gamer you are letting MS choose what games they want to give you and what developers they want to support.
@Jznrpg
Downloading hellblade 2 and booting it up once if you have gamepass is something everyone can do to support it by increasing the player numbers even if you don't want to play it.
But if you want to go the extra mile and buy the game, go nuts.
LOL!! Closing Tango Gameworks down? Their only Japanese studio. I'm guessing Hi Fi Rush didn't sell well on PS. Smh....MS should't have bought multiplat studios in the first place just to shut them down. Ninja Theory will probably be next.
Was thinking the same. If Hellblade 2 underperforms I wouldn't be surprised if they also suffer cuts.
I suppose HIFI Rush wasn't that shadow dropped banger of the century. Barely anyone played that game. And Redfall is a bad game that no one asked for.
I understand the other studios. Maybe Austin deserved another chance since they didn't want to make Redfall in the first place. But I guess after Redfall and their other games being underwhelming or underperforming. It is what it is.
Tango is a weird one though. They made nothing but good games. What happened to using GamePass to uplift smaller and unique games?
There goes my hopes for an Evil Within 3. Y’know, I was one of those people all for the MS acquisition and look what happens… devoured the studios for “quality” games. People said this would happen, lesson learned. Thanks Microsoft, thanks for f*cking nothing.
Yeah we all saw this for what it was they are IP mining.
They never cared Abou the studios just what rights they held.
It's why they wanted the biggest names in gaming like doom because for the past 20 years they have been like woah is us we suck at building a recognisable stable of games and no one likes us
Wow surprised by Tango. They only just released hifi on ps5 why not give it more than a month to see if it sells well?
It's not my type of game but it got great reviews. Did it not sell well or something? If that's the case my guess is gamepass is to blame. People rather of rented than buy it over on Xbox.
its my type of of game,
but will buy Zenless Zone Zero instead, and jet set radio, when Sega remake it, which they are.
I bought it on PS5, but I don't think it's about that. I mean the DLC for REDFALL was still being worked on hours before this whole announcement. I think this whole thing is bigger than how many sales Hi-Fi Rush got. I don't think the sales of that game had any part in this decision.
I agree with you I just don't understand it. The game was very well received when it first released on Xbox over a year ago. I remember Microsoft praising them up and being happy with the release. I could understand if hifi rush bombed and they lost faith in the studio.
Redfall I mean it was awful. Even after fixing it up it was dull. They vouched to keep supporting them and as you said was working on the only to be closed out the blue.
Very strange from MS very strange indeed.
Why are the comments turning this into some Sony thing? What does Sony have to do with Microsoft shutting down their studios under ZeniMax?
Tango Games being closed is something else to me. Now it makes sense why Shinji Mikami left.
Hopefully the devs join Mikami at a new studio, and then get a similar deal with Sony, where they remain independent like what Kojima got back in 2016. That would mean we get to see a happy ending and a new beginning for Tango Gameworks (under a new name).
Tango Gameworks closure was unexpected. Hi-Fi Rush is in this month's Humble Choice, that came out today, so I'll be adding it to my Steam library right now.
Ohboy Microsoft, closing Tango Gameworks is just crazy cruel. Dudes were really cooking and you said f off... Nice....
Edit:
So who's next on the chopping block MS???!
I’m done with Xbox. Great hardware, love the performance patches for older OG/360 games, but the brand has been on a slow decline ever since the debut of Kinect in 2010. Arkane Austin’s closure is a slap in the face. First they make them release an unfinished game, then they shut them down. Terrible management at all levels at Xbox (aside from the hardware team).
Who's next? id Software or MachineGames? This is absolutely ridiculous. I was looking forward to The Evil Within 3. I guess after that absolute 5-head move buyout of Activision they had to cut corners somewhere.
One thing that I think is overlooked here with Microsoft is yes they made a lot of Developer and Publisher acquisitions over the last 5yrs but what's not talked about is how do the employees feel about being bought out by Microsoft. Microsoft constantly has dumpster fires several at a time at different Developers and IMO many of the employees didn't want the buyout to happen they weren't happy with the buyout and they're not happy now. Now I get in many cases what an employee wants is irrelevant but once the acquisition is made they become Microsoft employees. IMO Microsoft regardless of what they say they micromanage these Developers and projects to a unhealthy degree and this will reflect in effort of unhappy employees and in the finished protects which in this case is games and we've seen enough to know that what Microsoft First Party has released in the last 5yrs has not been good. Microsoft Xbox needs new Leadership at the Top meaning anyone in a Xbox Exec position from Phil Spenser on down needs to be replaced. Phil Spenser has pretty much been the #1 or #2 guy at Xbox since the OG Xbox released 25yrs ago......He got ta go!
If anyone still wonders why I hate the xbox brand and wanted it to die for a long time this is why. MS is a cancer to the gaming industry. They have proven it time and time again
Do xbox fans now understand why many of us PS fans were worried when MS just gobble up Beth as welll as Activision? There was no way in hell MS would be able to be profitiable from these acqusition knowing that their market share is terriable and taking MP's and make them exlcusive will ensure the deaths of those studios beause of the loss in revenue. Now here we are right at where everyone knew was going to happen.
Worst still their virus has started to infect Sony and Playstation and I worry this gen is the end of AAA story driven games that I can buy and own froever like so many gens before.
At the rate Sony is going I doubt I wil buy a PS6.
Microsoft is trash for sure, but there are companies out there that have continuously committed human atrocities. Which I would grade as worse than firing people.
Many of us saw this coming. Gamepass is not sustainable with 50 studios or whatever they have. They will close more studios, have a few a studios handling all of the IP and focus most on MT’s , battle pass type of games because they aren’t selling physical copies. On top of that gamepass price has to go up by a good amount to even maintain that. Quality will go down with different studios handling closed devs IP. This was foreseeable a mile away but Xbox gamers begged for it just to have what they saw as some sort of win. In the end we all lose with more formerly multiplat studios closing down.
They shut down a company that made their best game this generation. This generation is a joke.
Arkane Austin – This studio will close with some members of the team joining other studios to work on projects across Bethesda.
Roundhouse Games – The team at Roundhouse Games will be joining ZeniMax Online Studios (ZOS). Roundhouse has played a key role in many of our recent game launches and bringing them into ZOS to work on The Elder Scrolls Online
Lol what reality are you guys suspended in? Welcome to the purge lol. Been warned for the last couple years but you fanboys don’t get it.
Top rated comment claims that these company’s are competing to see who’s worst,? Lol. Is it that hard to admit they’re all one in the same now? The machine is eating itself lol.
Maybe now would be a great time to buckle up and get ready for this quick descend into the future lol.
This is only the beginning, wait for the next showcases from these company’s, and how you will all fall short of the truth and fall right back into line picking sides in these manufactured differences lol.
Why lump Sony into this? They foster their studios and did not spend 70 plus Billion Dollars buying up publishers. MS has always been about embrace, extend, extinguish.
Because all big 3 are participating in this manufactured crisis, controlling censorship, limiting game studios, and exploiting game value. This is simply an easier vessel to carry the truth since you guys love putting goats on the stake. Hit the straw man all you want. won’t change the truth.
Sounds like the higher up morons or whatever title these lame mfs go buy just tryna find ways to pocket money
Something happens like this that was so obvious for the last two years shouldn’t surprise anyone.
Damn Microsoft.. I said shut the game down not the studio… y’all can’t even listen right 😂😭😭
Seriously... F*** this industry. MS can go eat s*** today. I'm disgusted and I'm done. Is this really the industry we all want to prop up? Bc I certainly can't stand the taste and smell of s*** and yet if this is what we choose to allow we all better get used to the smell and taste as companies just like MS buy up beloved studios, consolidate their monopoly and eliminate competitive buying power. So I say, kick MS where it really hurts. Dump your Xbox subscriptions en mass and let them know you won't be buying a single one of their games or hardware in the future. Bombard their X feed. This is outrageous and an audacious spit in the face of these devs and us the fans.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
It's not about the talent. It was never about the talent.
It's about Game Pass content and IPs. It is not a coincidence that the people obsessed with AI who recently went on a publisher purchasing spree are closing studios from the publisher we purchased somewhat recently.
Keep going, Microsoft. Keep screwing the labour. You'll answer for it eventually, whether that means breaking up your game studios or people boycotting your products.
I hope Gamepass tanks the whole division.
Your asses thought you looked cool, trying to pay the tabs on an incredible amount of games just to say it would launch there.
Fxxxers cried about Final Fantasy not being on the system, instead of keeping the eco system going and just buy the game were it's available. Entitled cents.
A whole as dogshit company didn't want nothing but ruin gaming for a great many.
So this was all lies from MS, not surprised as MS has always been full of it https://twistedvoxel.com/mi...
Arkane is one of my fave studios and I knew that MS would destroy them one day.
Redfall was only bad because of Bethesda/MS. they didn't deserve this.
Holy shit!!! Dishonoured 3???? Prey 2???? Not happening forget about it! Doesn’t matter who the devs are, or who owns them, they’re only ever one bad game away from closure nowadays. The industry is down the toilet big time, literally every publisher is making record profits and yet there are record amounts of firings and closures.
I'm glad I grew up in the 90s and have played games throughout so many fantastic periods but when I step back and look on the horizon I don’t see things changing for the better anytime soon.
This gen has sucked big time.
I hope nobody is surprised by this. Microsoft is a plague upon every industry they touch.
That's a lot of people. Hope they bounce back. Why did MS make such a huge purchase only to close them down? They're are absolutely incompetent.













