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Backwards Compatibility – Is It Important?

Oh no, not backwards compatibility talk again. Well this is something that should be getting more discussion time, and for good reason. We live in an age where new consoles should be able to play previous generation games. This is the case with the Wii U but what about Microsoft and Sony?

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2cents4611d ago

It is to me.

I'd want nothing more than to use my existing games library for the PS3 and Xbox 360 on their respective new formats. I don't like the idea of having so many boxes under my TV.

Considering how amazing the end of gen games are, I do want the best of both worlds.

mewhy324611d ago

Well there are some PS3 games that I'd like to get to play on the PS4. I'd like to play the last of us and the god of war ascension. I didn't get to play either and now I'm saving for the PS4. So I'd like to get the gaikai streamed version at least on the PS4.

hankmoody4611d ago

I'd be gobsmacked if we don't see a PS4 edition of The Last of Us. We can expect that to rear its head by Christmas 2014 at the latest.

xHeavYx4611d ago

I wish there was a way to stream the games you already have for the PS3 to the PS4 with little to no charge, something like an online pass maybe

TomShoe4610d ago

Just play your PS3 games on your old PS3. If you need a PS3 that bad, there are some ones you can get for really cheap nowadays.

The_Con-Sept4610d ago

The transition from ps1 to ps2 meant a lot because there are so many games that people still wanted to play whilist making the switch. But the transition from ps2 to PS3 was.... Not as important. At least in my circle no one really cared. We all made the switch easily. Now.... I can't finish my games but at the same time I don't want to play them anymore. I will just keep my PS3 in a box somewhere until I want to play those old games.

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come_bom4611d ago

For the gamers, yes it's important... for the console developer, absolutely not. That way can resell the same game to the gamer consumer.

2cents4611d ago (Edited 4611d ago )

how very true! I can see it now... ""Super Full HD Remake of all of your favorite current gen games!!!""... Bastards.

it sucks, but business is business after all and its not as if backward compatibility has been available to every generation that has passed.

Its just something that, if given the choice, everyone would welcome with open arms.

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HAHA I was just writing the same thing as you posted!

cluckey074610d ago

It really isn't important. At first it may be. But a year or two down the line when there are no more games coming out for the system and our backlogs are gone there is little use for bc

avengers19784611d ago

If it could be done without making machines way more expensive, than that would be great.
Unfortunately everyone figured out that people are willing to pay money for digital downloads of old games, and buy HD remakes, and so on, thus the end of companies truly doing full backwards compatibility

Anon19744611d ago

Meh. I can take it or leave it. It seemed important to me last gen and I played all of 1 PS2 game on my PS3 and I think I played a bit of Halo 2 on my Xbox360. Other than that, I buy new systems to new games. My gaming time is limited and I don't like to spend it going back and playing through old games again when there's new experiences to be had. When I was younger, I'd play old games over and over but where I'm at now it just doesn't happen.

I can certainly appreciate the appeal of backwards compatibility though, even though it's not important to me.

T24610d ago

I agree its good in theory but when I bought a fat ps3 i probably played old games like 12 times total.... then I realized i didn't care anymore.

thehobbyist4610d ago

The Nintendo 64 didn't have backwards compatibility with SNES games and it is still considered by many to be the best console of all time.

3-4-54610d ago

Not everyone gets to play every game when it's released.

It's nice to know you can go back and catch up on older games you missed.

That was part of the appeal of the 3DS for me, because I never owned a DS.

There are about 15-20 PS2 RPG's I would love to play, but I'd have to buy a $225 60 GB PS3 just to play those.

The cool thing, I get to play all the recent PS3 JRPG's as well, so the backwards compatibility makes that version of the PS3 an awesome RPG machine.

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Stuart57564611d ago

Backwards compatibility is very important if you no longer have the old hardware, I know this for sure, I'll never give my PS3 up! I sold my PS2 slim years ago and i regret it. I'd love to still have it.

byeGollum4611d ago

yeah, I wish I never got rid of my PS2 also. I'm not making this mistake again, 'less backward compatibility is concrete on the next gen consoles.

_QQ_4610d ago

Some times you don't have a choice, YLOD ;( twice.

Stuart57564610d ago

I know, I've even thought about buying a new super slim PS3 and leaving it boxed just in case. Imagine 5 years from now thinking 'hhmmmm, I'll have a play on The Last Of Us' only to turn the PS3 on and it YLOD. I would be gutted.

I've just convinced myself.

Neonridr4611d ago

The great thing about backwards compatibility is that you don't have to have two systems sitting on your entertainment unit when you could just as easily have one (Wii U & Wii for example). The fact that the XB1 and PS4 won't support backwards compatibility only means that there is that much less real estate on my TV stand.

However, I can understand the other side of the coin because it can increase the cost of the unit significantly. Especially in the case of say the PS4 where the architecture is so vastly different than the PS3 that you would basically have to include a cell processor inside the PS4 just to do the PS3 calculations. That would no doubt drive the price up an additional amount.

Outside_ofthe_Box4610d ago

Wow, most people only see one side. I'm glad you're able to see both sides of the coin. I totally agree with everything you said.

gtxgamer24611d ago

As long as Gaikai works properly on my ps4 then no it doesn't matter.

rmatthe54610d ago

If you have a good internet connection then you will be fine but for anyone with a crappy connection it will be impossible.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio16d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing16d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9216d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit16d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing16d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9216d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted18d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8518d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele18d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk18d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay18d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10118d ago (Edited 18d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit18d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg17d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10117d ago (Edited 17d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14918d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay18d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn218d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn218d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown18d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay18d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay18d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac17d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger18d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300018d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde18d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde17d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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