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Did Microsoft Set Console Gaming Back 5 Years?

DRM is such a dirty word, and it’s almost always used with negative inflection. But what if DRM was actually not a bad word at all? What if DRM secured your rights to play a purchased game indefinitely, as well as reward the developers and publishers who worked tirelessly to get that game to you?

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Donnieboi4708d ago

But DRM is NOT the future of gaming. MS called it that, and people just ate that up. Sorry but the game industry does not begin or end with MS. They only had one successful console. If Sony and Nintendo don't go with DRM, then it's a no-go. And I hope it stays that way on consoles, forever.

iamnsuperman4708d ago (Edited 4708d ago )

I think DRM does have a place in the future of gaming..... big problem was the way Microsoft went about enforcing the DRM was a bit dickish and just plain arrogant. I am not sure if DRM would work on consoles just yet but in the future? Yes I think it will (and like you said Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft would need to take the plunge together otherwise it will not work). In a way it needs to happen.

Donnieboi4708d ago

Personally I think that the way Windows and PS4 handles DRM is the best way...by making it optional (only a game publisher can decide if each game will have drm). But for MS to enforce DRM on EVERY game is just plain wrong. If a publisher wants to take the risk of p!ssing off their fans by adding DRM, then go ahead. But don't hide behind xbox one's MANDITORY DRM. Each individual publisher should bare the fruits of his own individual drm policies.

Cmk01214708d ago

and drm wont work on consoles until its fully digital, they can undercut the retail stores they put there products in and entice gamers with digital steam like sales as long as physical media exist.

tiffac0084708d ago

If MS did not do a 180, then the X1 would only work on selected countries. If that is the future that DRM will bring, then it would be a sad day for gaming.

mewhy324708d ago

DRM is just another method for big brother to control things. I pay for a game I will do with it as I please. If I want to loan it that's my business, if I want to give it that's my business, if I want to resell it that's my business, if I want to burn it that also my business. I won't have big brother telling me that I can't do what I want with a game that I bought with my hard earned money period. That's why xbone is in such a quagmire now. No one can trust micro$oft and they know it. PS4 all the way is what I say. Forget micro$oft and the xbone with it's spy camera.

Darrius Cole4708d ago

@iamnsuperman

No way in hell does DRM need to happen. It wouldn't work in consoles anyway.

@mewhy32

Damn right! If I buy it, I own it, I control it, I decide what to do with it. If I want to use it as a coaster I will do that. If I want to swap games with you for no money, then I will do that, but only if you want to swap your game that you paid for...and control.

@Cmk0121

The problem with downloadable games, on consoles at least, is that they don't save the consumers any money. Disc-based games go down in price over time. Downloadable games keep the same price, seemingly forever.

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CrossingEden4708d ago

if DRM isn't the future then get ready for loads and loads of dlc and micro transactions so that companies can make a profit

MoonConquistador4708d ago

Make a profit you say? How many of these game companies are actually operating in the red?

I think what you meant to say was make even more money. Some games are turning over hundreds of millions of pounds in profit. That's still not enough for some people though is it.

Make a good enough game, sell it at the right price and you will get a profit.

Spending a tonne on advertising or poor concepts/programming leading to increased costs of development are not the fault of the consumer so why should we need to bear that price.

rainslacker4708d ago

You think those things wouldn't exist with DRM? No publisher is going to ignore a revenue stream. Most are adopting it now because it's a revenue stream, not because of lack of DRM.

YNWA964708d ago

DRM was nor right, but we are moving to always connected. If only they had made it possible to be able to work offline, with online always option available would be great. Never having to wait for a patch or update to load would be ideal right now. Maybe with new boss, things will change.

Darrius Cole4708d ago

People assume that disc-based & and other physical media for games is going out. I don't think so for consoles at least.

Video game file sizes keep getting larger and larger, and there is only so much bandwidth to go around. The 360 held game sizes back this generation. The Xbone will have a Blu-ray. I would not be surprised to see video games weigh-in at 50-60GB this generation. Downloading a game that size is going to take a lot of time even if your bandwidth cap will allow it. What if I want 2 games in one month?

We will always be able to easily get bigger file sizes by walking into a store and buying physical media.

Why do you think that Sony was willing to risk the PS3 for Blu-ray? They see money in it

hellzsupernova4708d ago

I think microsofts end goal is the future a steam like ecosystem but they just couldn't get the message across it was horrible pr no one could figure it out not even their front line men like don and major Nelson

Darrius Cole4708d ago

It's not a marketing mistake, there just is not way to sell what Microsoft was trying to sell. You can't rent something for the same price that you sell it for; everyone will just choose to buy it, and that is exactly what was happening. Everyone was lining up to buy a PS4 which would allow them to actually own the games.

But Microsoft did not make a mistake of marketing; microsoft had a bad product.

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Cmk01214708d ago

and even if we assume that this wouldve moved us forward the fans didnt want it so the fans would be to blame. i dont think that DRM is the future, digital is. and they cna still offer family plan for digital. microsfot needs to market themselves better

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF4708d ago

No, they did not send gaming back 5 years. What a stupid article.

Mystogan4708d ago

Is this website beating a dead horse?

Cmk01214708d ago

the site has become fanboy central, every xbox article is either bashing it or rediculous like this. and every sony article is so fanboyed out its blatant as all hell.. With that said MS is crap at marketing

TalesofDalton4708d ago

I am platform agnostic just like the other writers at Fate of the Game. Games are all we care about. My piece isn't bashing anything Microsoft did or didn't do. I actually have no problem with DRM, and I think the Xbox One was on the right track for the future. But you said it yourself "MS is crap at marketing".

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio31d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing30d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9230d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit30d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing30d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9230d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay32d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn233d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn232d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown33d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay32d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay32d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac32d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger33d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300033d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde33d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde32d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7534d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_32d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.