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Why the next Xbox doesn’t need a new controller

Ben Salter of MMGN: Nintendo slapped control sticks on a tablet. Sony jammed a ridiculous touchpad into its 16-year-old controller. Microsoft will, by all reports, ignore all of that nonsense and rehash its perfectly serviceable Xbox 360 controller for the next generation.

That’s totally fine. I’m actually happy to hear it and here’s why:

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Snookies124793d ago (Edited 4793d ago )

"Sony jammed a ridiculous touchpad into its 16-year-old controller".

Obviously the writer of this article didn't care to see the other features that are good about the DS4. The fact that the triggers are now curved up slightly (not nearly as much as the 360's thank goodness), it has convex AND concave analog sticks, color coded light for which controller is which, the "share" button, which is probably my favorite thing about it, and a redone more Vita-like D-pad. It looks to be an all around improvement. If you're trying to say the 360 controller needs NOTHING to be improved, you're wrong. The 360 controller is good, don't get me wrong, but nowhere near perfect. If Microsoft doesn't even try to improve it, that'll just show me that they're not trying hard enough.

Y_51504793d ago

I agree with you, they can at least improve the D-pad. People might be disagree with you for numerous reasons. The share button has so much potential but instead the uninformed would think it's just for sharing stuff on Facebook, it's way more than that.

iGAM3R-VIII4793d ago

Agreed, personally I think Sony's DS4 controller is sexy and I cannnot wait until E3 to hold it and get some demos from it. I also think that the touchpad is an amazing new feature and if we are advancing in technology, why not advance the controller

Blackdeath_6634793d ago

also the battery pack that presses against your fingers needs to be gone actually just two days ago i went to a friends house to play fifa, we tried to turn it on what happened? no batteries and we had to go out and buy AA batteries. my reaction "are you f***ing kidding me". that is one area that certainly has to improve other than that i was actually impressed by how comfortable it was the d-pad is annoying as hell though and when playing fifa the tactics menu kept showing up which was irritating.

3-4-54793d ago

Controller is nearly perfect as is.

A controller has never fit better in my hands.

AngelicIceDiamond4792d ago

@Y_5150 either way if MS even thought about doing something similar like the social button or anything of that nature people would say "MS is copying" and defend what Sony's doing.

If it was MS say who showcased their next gen first instead and had a share feature on its controller people would bash, make fun of it, offend it, and say MS is losing focus with social and media.

It would be a totally different story.

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konnerbllb4793d ago

I don't have a problem with the 360's triggers, they are concave, like triggers in fighter jets are. The ps3/4 doesn't have traditional triggers and I think it should.

Snookies124793d ago (Edited 4793d ago )

Well to be honest, I liked the 360's triggers at first. However, when a moment in gaming comes up that requires you to repeatedly press it as fast as you can... It gave me the absolute worst hand cramp I've ever had. The sharp upwards curve mixed with the amount of tension that needs to be applied to press it can be a real problem. That's why I'm optimistic about the DualShock4's approach which gives a bit of a curve instead of a whole lot. It goes for the middle ground, which is what I personally was hoping for in a console controller. The PS3 I will agree with. Its triggers weren't good at all, your finger would slip right off. However, if you look at the DS4, it clearly gives a curve at the end to prevent that.

sengoku4793d ago

that's exactly just whats with the x360 guys.
a trigger needs to be exactly like the ones in fighter jets and that's what they always should be compared to and be like.

well it might be good for fight sims or the like but those buttons should just a nicely fit into other games in which there might be goals another shooting and blowing up stuff.

unchartedxplorer4793d ago

Yeah maybe we should have an ejector seat with the controller, just like the fighter jets.
Oh and flares as well!

xPhearR3dx4793d ago

TBH, the only thing the 360 controller needs to fix is the D-pad. Everything else is perfect for me. All though, maybe some sort of grip on the triggers could be nice.

Snookies124793d ago (Edited 4793d ago )

Yeah, the main issue I have with the 360 controller is the D-pad. Everything else I'm pretty okay with. I just think that they shouldn't just be "okay" with their controller. Always try to improve, even if you "think" you've found perfection. That's what I want from a company if I'm going to buy their product. Which is why I'm a little concerned about Microsoft, if they end up not redesigning their controller even a little bit.

MikeMyers4793d ago

Not sure how good the controller was when they updated it with the spin style d-pad but the original wasn't that good.

They do need to update the controller but keep it fairly consistent with the original 360. I expect a few more tweaks and perhaps some new type of function. What I would like to see is some more personalization where you can apply whatever button you want for any game. Meaning if a game has the A button for jump I can make it so that every game I play makes the A button the jump button. I hate it when the developer forces button placements. I would also like to see it be linked to your account. Meaning nobody else can use my controller, don't touch! Just like don't touch my seat settings on my car.

MYSTERIO3604793d ago

So you like having to switching battery's and having to get rechargeable ones? As for me no sir-ry i've had my fun /s and don't want to deal with it again next gen. Plus i think it needs some sort of grip on it like the DS4.

Why o why4793d ago (Edited 4793d ago )

d pad and batteries. Everything else is fine

lol@ domination below regarding the madcatz lookalike. ...I hear ya. A sony pad that doesnt have that 'SONY' printed above the start and select just looks 3rdpartyish... I'm hoping they sneak it on there somehow...lol

MikeMyers4793d ago

"So you like having to switching battery's and having to get rechargeable ones?"

I don't like having to pay for extra batteries but it is really convenient to simply put in another pack or batteries and keep playing wireless. I imagine they will have rechargeable built-in like everyone else now.

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DOMination-4793d ago

I must admit, I thought the DS4 looked like a cheap madcatz controller when I first saw it, but is has grown on me. I like it, but I have to say, that share button is kinda useless. Oh, don't get me wrong, I love the features it provides, but why not just have the PS button and choose it from a menu? Does it really need it's own button? It's like having a button for turning subtitles on and off. Yeah it's kinda nice but it's not a big deal that I just pause and go into a menu. It just feels redundant.. if they were gonna add another button, it would have better having an additional button that can be used in proper gameplay..

As for the 360 controller.. if it stayed the same I honestly wouldn't be too disappointed. It's a very good controller with the exception of the dpad. But as with everyone else, I'm always excited to see new stuff so I hope they change it up a bit.

hesido4793d ago (Edited 4793d ago )

Sharing through the menu would also be sufficient for most cases.

That said, marketing-wise, it conveys the idea so much better, that being able to share your gaming moments is one of the under-lined features. Less people would be talking about the ability to share your game videos online if they just went: "Hey, you can push the PS button, select share -> select screenshot / video to share your screenshots / videos". The button underscores this feature so well.

Non-marketing wise: The button could be preconfigured to do screenshots, or simply start a video relay etc etc. Maybe press-and-hold would differ from a single press, marking the start of a video for storing a longer play than the last 5-10 minutes) which may be better for cases when you are playing multiplayer and don't want to fiddle though menus.

Also, it is not like it gets in the way, nor is it in a place that you could accidentally press it. It is also not in a place that you would want to be constantly pushing for gameplay, so we cannot say how it would be better if that space was used for in-game related tasks.

dedicatedtogamers4793d ago

Am I the only one who remembers the 360 crowd bashing the DualShock 3 because "Sony never updates their controllers"? Hahahha, but now it's a good thing when MS does it?

I miss what they did with the Xbox. Microsoft had multiple sizes of controllers, and that was really cool. They should go back to that.

Blaze9294793d ago

lol multiple sizes? They only had two bruh...

Nafon4793d ago

The share button is your favorite feature? wow. and those curved triggers help keep your fingers on

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aaron58294793d ago

I dont think i'm ready to game without controllers.

GribbleGrunger4793d ago

Because the recent rumours suggests it hasn't got a new controller and the author of this piece wants to play his hand early?

MasterCornholio4793d ago

The DPAD is garbage on the 360 controller. That in my opinion needs to change.

Even though I don't like the positioning of the analog sticks it isn't a design flaw just a preference issue.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot19d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle19d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7719d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Star Wars: Bounty Hunter Let Jango Fett Loose

LucasArts gave Jango Fett his own game in 2002, and it pulled Star Wars into a much dirtier, rougher, and more interesting corner of the galaxy.

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I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Xbox has always been different.

We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.

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Outside_ofthe_Box25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300025d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7224d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit24d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania25d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit24d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0724d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr24d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box24d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr24d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9524d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7224d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--24d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7224d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket24d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm24d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde24d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9224d ago (Edited 24d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_25d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted24d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit24d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9224d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT25d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers24d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14924d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0724d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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