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Sony's steep learning process

Can the firm grasp how much the market has changed - in time to save the floundering Vita?

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DiRtY4952d ago

The Vita is the very definition of how Sony lost the connection to the market.

It is a complete failure (saleswise). It is selling below Dreamcast sales figures.

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zebramocha4952d ago (Edited 4952d ago )

@dirty Yeah,one year sells tells us that the vita is a failure,once you finished running your console business you should acquire Sony's game division and better than they can.

@Cato Majie comment was a counter to dirty's,I don't know what your post has to do with majie because his comment wasn't as bad as dirty.

@cato at one point it was but looking at the post number I see that I was wrong my bad.

Catoplepas4952d ago

What are you talking about? I was obviously replying to Dirty.

If I were replying to majie then my post would of been under his.

wastedcells4952d ago (Edited 4952d ago )

So tired of these articles. They said the same thing about psp, 3DS, ps3 and so on. First year sales on a new console or hand held can be slow sometimes, so what, people buy in when prices drop or their favorite games come out. These stupid articles are just a desperate cry for attention. They will get hits on their site and that's all they are looking for.

InsaneChronos4952d ago

Sales is not a definition of connection to the market. Vita is great portable gaming platform with a growing number of great games. What else do you consumers want?

Anon19744952d ago (Edited 4952d ago )

I asked this in another article and perhaps you could comment as you've obviously got it all figured out.

Looking at Nintendo and Sony's figures, since the PS Vita launched worldwide at the end of Feb it moved approx 2 million units to the end of June (bear in mind, these are rough estimates). The $80 cheaper 3DS moved approx 2.5 million in the same time frame and given that no one is complaining about 3DS sales during this period, it's assumed that's an acceptable figure for the $170 3DS.

We know the Vita is doomed and sales are dismal because we're reminded of it multiple times a day. Realistically, it's not going to outsell the 3DS with an $80 price difference, so what would be acceptable figures for the Vita? Where's the line between "doomed" and "hey everyone, it's ok!". If it had sold an extra 100k during that period? 250k during that period? What are we talking here?

Everyone seems to have it made up in their minds that the Vita is a sales disaster (except Sony and industry analysts. Those fools!) but I've never seen anyone say what the Vita should be selling.

I'm not saying the Vita is selling great by any stretch of the imagination though, don't get me wrong. Back in Feb, analysts said it'd be great if the Vita hit 12 million for the fiscal year, but they could only do that with a price cut. Sony revised their forecast to 10 million with no price cut in sight, which really isn't that far off initial analyst predictions that no one seemed to take issue with at the time. I'm just wondering of those who think Vita sales are terrible, what should the Vita be selling? It's a legitimate question.

Blankman854952d ago

Can we haz a source on that 2.5 million for 3DS, cause last I checked 3DS was in the double digits millions already and you do not achieve that by selling only 2.5 million in 4 months.

wastedcells4952d ago

People seem to forget the 3DS came out with really bad sales and they ended up discounting $100. Then had to give the people that paid full pop like 10 free downloadable games or something.

profgerbik4952d ago (Edited 4952d ago )

This is so wrong you dumb asses said the same shit about the PS3 oddly it has been the most sold console for about two and half years now.

OK... I'll listen to your idiotic prejudgement even though the Dreamcast wasn't even a failure. Everything you know and love today about gaming came from exactly just that the Dreamcast, whether you choose to believe it or not it did, all your Nintendo crap was on the dreamcast first even the crap Microsoft and Sony use all started from the Dreamcast.

So if that has anything to do with your analogy of Sony then I guess they are doing good in my eyes even if they did fail.

I can't stand idiots like you who cannot appreciate that instead all you care about is throwing numbers around like it means shit in todays society.

Sales aren't everything. Only Nintendo people give a shit about sales, I give a shit about good games and Playstation offers and always has offered just that.

Regardless I have never played any other consoles more than Sony's and that says something and I am sure many others can say the same.

I am still rehashing through old Playstation games that truly defined gaming as a whole. Take it how you want it but sales aren't shit especially not in this age of stupidity.

That is like saying 50cent is actually a good musician because he has sold a lot of records. How dumb are people these days? It doesn't mean shit other than the saddening fact there are bunch of morons that exist in this today's world.

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Gridloc4952d ago

Vita's first holiday season is close and we'll see what Sony has learned.

telekineticmantis4952d ago

Hardcore gaming suffers, so I'll get a vita first and get a WiiU later, can't really get a WiiU now anyway.

stragomccloud4952d ago

Agreed. Without any of the big 3 gaming suffers though. They all keep each other on their toes.

MrDead4952d ago

Another Sony doom article from JadedXGamer, you would think only unbiased members would be allowed to post on N4G otherwise the site just turns into a s**t slinging contest.

Catoplepas4952d ago (Edited 4952d ago )

I happen to agree with you, but since there's no empirical measure of "bias" it's impossible to discern the bad eggs from the good.

Besides, bias and hate and the viscous greases used to keep the cogs of N4G turning. Without them this place would be a veritable ghost town.

Depressing ain't it?

MrDead4952d ago (Edited 4952d ago )

bias and hate have made a once good site into a mess. You have to trawl through endless flamebait articles and opinion pieces to get any real news and the comment section has turned into a playground where kids are running around hating and flicking each other in the balls because they own different systems.

"it's impossible to discern the bad eggs from the good", just look at the comment history.

stragomccloud4952d ago (Edited 4952d ago )

Just thoght it as funny the name matches the feeling I get from this guy: "JadedXGamer."

maniacmayhem4952d ago

Well then we have to ask, "who is truly unbiased on THIS site?"

I would like to to think i am unbiased but even I admit that I lean more toward the 360 side. Does this mean I shouldn't post or submit any news about sony or only post if it's good news?

MrDead4952d ago

I myself lean more towards the PS3 but I don’t hate every other system because of this. Read JadedXGamer's comments and post, if you’re anything like him I wouldn't let you post anything about any system. I think if you've lost all your bubbles because of trolling then you shouldn't be allowed to post.

I think posters should have a balance in their articles and opinions not just be on some vendetta because you don’t like a company, I think members that do just turn this site into a slugging match.

I don’t have any issue with this article just the poster and his lack of balance.

stragomccloud4952d ago

Honestly, I think the Vita is a slow burn. I think it'll be like the PS3, sure it might have a rough time out of the gate, but it's library is going to become something truly unique, and it'll remembered as one of the greats.

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted9h ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy855h ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Athlon1019h ago(Edited 9h ago)

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

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Former Xbox Exec Says Developers Didn't Want a Sony Monopoly

Former Xbox executive Ed Fries comments on the early days of Xbox, the opinion of Japanese game companies, and more.

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Reaper22_13d ago

I dont think that'll ever happen. But i must say back in the day, they were definitely trying because they were more cash rich than their competitors.

CosmicTurtle12d ago

I think MS were and still are the richer company. They tried to acquire Sega back in the day (and considered doing so again more recently), they obviously bought exclusivity to Halo which was originally shown as a Mac title. I don’t think as a company MS can claim the moral high ground here. It’s a wilful lack of self awareness.

Of course Sony would try exactly the same if they had the resources, but when the PS2 dominated the industry was in a much healthier place with an abundance of great third parties.

This has been a depressing generation as far as first party decisions are concerned. The fact we are debating business plans rather than which game is better is a sad reflection of the state of things.

Darkseeker13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

There was Nintendo as well, Sony wouldn't have had a monopoly. In fact, the world would be better today if Xbox never existed in the first place. They pretty much brought all bad practices we have today. We might have gotten all of it either way, but not this early. In term of franchises, I don't think there is anything Microsoft released that would actually be missed if it didn't exist. Even Halo the world wouldn't notice if Halo didn't exist.

S2Killinit12d ago

MS was definitely a bad influence on gaming.

raWfodog13d ago

I think almost everyone will agree that a monopoly is not good for the industry. But that being said, the competition needs to be smart and strategic with their business. Simply buying up publishers and traditional third-party studios just to keep them out of the other companies reach is not a sustainable practice. That goes for all parties so don't think I'm just referring to Xbox.

I'm no business guru by any stretch of the imagination but I firmly believe that the best way to drive consumers to your software and hardware is to invest smart in your first-party studios. Give them full support and guidance in making unique, fun games that are only available to play in your ecosystem and the gamers will come.

Reaper22_13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

But first party studios aren't enough. They only make up a small portion of the industry. Without 3rd party there would be no industry for Microsoft or sony.Developing games take time and money and sometimes you gotta make moves to stay competitive.

raWfodog13d ago

Nah, I never said first-party was enough. I said it’s the ‘best way’ to drive gamers to your platform. 3rd-party is a free-for-all and there’s no guarantee that gamers will use your hardware to play the game. If you want to push your own software and/or hardware you need first-party, or at least exclusive deals with third-party studios.

SimpleDad13d ago

They Shure did a great job... 25 years later Xbox is dead.

Reaper22_13d ago

Then why be so emotional and continue to talk about it. Xbox will never die be ause it stays in so many people's head.

lodossrage13d ago

How can you even see him being "emotional" in that comment?

If anything, you're the emotional one, constantly trying to go at anyone that says anything against Microsoft. So when you call him emotional, it comes off as deflection

Elda12d ago

I own an XBSX & I can say it's becoming irrelevant out of the 3 current consoles.

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Sony Shows Off 20 Minutes of Crimson Desert on a Base PS5

Sony uploaded gameplay footage of Crimson Desert on a base PS5 running in what appears to be Quality Mode at a stable 30fps at 4K.

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BlazedKong39d ago

looks god awful on the base systems