He's not wrong, if Scorpio was a real thing then Microsoft would have been able to reveal specifics like showing what the box looks like in the plastic, not use a CG render of the motherboard, but rather actually show the motherboard made of real materials and give the actual real PCB layout.
They could have confirmed the actual CPU core type in use (it won't be Zen as you believe it to be in your other post I replied to).
Gameplay for the system would have...
There's nothing really redundant about it, no one legit would say that an RX 480 is redundant compared to an RX 460 for a 1080p display, just because RX 480 can run games at higher than 1080p, PC gamers just run better visual settings in their games at 1080p and max the games out, the same will be true for the PS4 Pro compared to the standard model.
Way more people will buy a PS4 Pro compared to Scorpio because it's very well priced, PS4 has way more exclusives than...
@Obscure_Observer: Zen isn't going to be used in Scorpio, it would make for a prohibitively huge chip, taking up way too much space on the motherboard.
Microsoft have already confirmed that the CPU will have 8 Cores, a Zen CPU with that many cores made alongside even an RX 480 would make for a chip 2X larger than the RX 480 chip in retail GPUs.
No it's likely going to use 8 Jaguar CPU cores because they take up very little space and wouldn't add much to...
LMFAO at the people thinking anything else will happen besides Sony dominating as they have done all year and all generation globally.
Making out like 2 new pieces of clearly labeled PS4 devices will confuse holiday season buyers, people understand technology way better than they used to and if a kid asks his parents for a PS4 Pro, then that's likely what they'll buy him if he's been good or if he asks for a PS4 then they'll just ask shop staff which version...
Sony has the mind-share locked up for the next 12 months, which worked perfectly for them back in the 6th gen, not to forget that the current Playstation console ecosystem will have access to more real exclusives and bigger marketing deals in general.
Cost and size of the Pro will also be much more appealing for the masses.
Scorpio is going to need to be at least a 30% bigger device than the Pro, the size difference didn't work out well for the XB1 compared to ...
@FreddyFazbear: You didn't actually write that in your initial post, but yes you would need to accurately calibrate any TV to get the most accurate picture it's capable of, doesn't matter whether it's a 480p CRT, 720p HD LCD TV, 1080p Plasma or whatever.
Perfect Picture is really a subjective thing though, because one person likes what they like visually.
Every film maker or game creator is going to have their own preference on how they want their c...
You're wrong, as a person who's actually knowledgeable on the subject of AV tech you couldn't be more wrong, you're getting disagrees because you don't know what you're talking about.
You're saying that adjusting picture settings is the same thing as a technical capability of a TV, you can adjust picture settings on a HDR/4K capable TV, it will still have a more realistic and expanded range of colors and brightness compared to a standard 4K TV wi...
@FreddyFazbear: Technically a TV isn't necessary, it's not like you need it to live, of course you don't need HDR, but you're about as wrong as you can get in saying that Picture Calibration can take the place of HDR, it cannot.
Calibration is just about you or a professional setting your TV up to accurately represent whatever source you play on your device, HDR is actually about adding a bigger contrast range, to increase the level of details, blacks and ov...
More hardware performance would have been nice, but even with an additional 30% more GPU performance that level of hardware, with the architectural performance efficiency gains of Polaris over the 7000 series AMD architecture in PS4 and XBox One isn't going to allow for true native 4K rendering throughout the entire graphics pipeline, Sony would have needed 7.36TFlops, plus greater bandwidth and that would have been even more costly, especially this year.
TBH Sony could have cloc...
It's not weak in 2016, not for £349/$399, Scorpio doesn't come out for at least a year, PS4 Pro is releasing in a little over 2 months.
It's 3-3.2X more powerful than the XBox One S and Xbox One, which are on the market now.
FYI there's no CPU from AMD that even packs 3Tflops, nor do Flops matter when it comes to CPU performance, also Scorpio will likely use AMD Jaguar just like the Xbox One S does, because there's no way Microsoft are goin...
Technically the RX 480 (which is essentially the GPU Pro's is based on) can be clocked fast enough to hit 6TFlops, it's base 1206Mhz is already hitting 5.5TFlops, at 1266MHz it's hitting above 5.8TFlops, people have clocked them at 1330Mhz, which means the chip can hit 6.118TFlops.
Cost for that part would be the same for MS, but if they want a bigger GPU to lower clocks then that adds expense, no way MS are making a smaller system than PS4 Pro, with a similar c...
Die shrinks aren't everything, but we're only looking at one node smaller, going from 28nm to 14nm, whereas the 7th gen consoles started at 90nm and going to this generation it took two node shrinks and then there's the whole point of bringing the CPU and GPU on to the same piece of silicon, which has big implications in latency between both of those parts.
In relation to 7th gen CPUs well technically PS3 had a single core 2 threaded PPC chip, with vector units ...
No this is not a generational shift in performance, the volume of memory used and bandwidth improvements going from the 7th to the 8th gen is much bigger than what these mid generation upgraded 8th gen consoles will provide over their predecessors.
Processing architecture hasn't undergone a massive change from 8th to the 8.5th gen or whatever you want to call this.
For starters Xbox One is a 1.31TFlop machine, 360 was a 0.250TFlop machine, secondly the memory isn't a big enough boost to represent a generational shift, 360 had 512MBs of GDDR3 and 10MBs of eDRAM, XBox One has 8,192MBs of DDR3, plus 32MBs of eSRAM, so over 16X the amount of memory from 360 to XB1.
Bandwidth has been a much bigger shift going from 7th to 8th gen consoles.
Architecture also provides a huge shift in efficiency, going from separate chips, to one...
A few paragraphs aren't 2 pages.
It's not speculation to say what a case 3cms bigger than the launch PS4 can handle, it's also not speculation to state what an RX 480 can handle at a certain clock speed, both of those are actually fact.
All information about the Neo's technical specs are rumor until confirmed as fact by Sony, so all we can do is really speculate, but what I'm actually doing is just stating what's possible given the informati...
I think Sony went down to 8X1GB Chips when Samsung released bigger ones, I'm pretty sure that was when they did their last price cut and power consumption of that PS4 model was lowered.
It depends on whether developers feel they need more RAM, which is the issue with all of this really.
If developers asked for more performance and Sony could just up the clock speed of their CPU and GPU, and if they hadn't started to mass produce things like the case yet or coolers th...
There's nothing bullshit about what I'm writing, the technology for a GPU to hit that level of performance is already on the market, it's called the RX 480 and with a slightly bigger case than the standard PS4 that part can easily work in a console, plus it's probably going to be the most costly part in the system, yet it's capable of so much more than the down clocked rumors peg it at.
The fact is that AMD aren't refreshing their hardware next year, they'...
The GPU to make it happen, at that price point exists, it all depends on what CPU Neo's using and what is available at 14nm.
There's no real reason why costs should be higher than that for a 2TB system, with a 2.5 inch HDD, a 3.5inch drive would make costs cheaper, so prices for a 2TB or bigger model could be lower.
Awesome month, I've never played Journey or Lords of The Fallen, looking forward to both of those.
@trainsgofast:
"It will not be Jaguar CPU! If the PS4 Pro can't feed 32CU's with that CPU then how is it going to feed 64 - 59 CU? By the way ZEN comes in meany types."
Jaguar is the most likely prospect given it's size has been massively scaled down with the move to the 14/16nm finfet node, Scorpio is sure as hell not going to have an 8 Core Zen and btw PS4 Pro has 36CUs in it's GPU, with the overclock of it's CPU from 1.6Gh...