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Women Are Thriving in the Realm of Indie Gaming.

It's no secret that some companies, particularly big name studios, have come out in the past and said they simply don't have the resources to include playable female characters, even recently. I'm not going to bother naming companies, and a lot of it is hearsay, but the notion still stands. Of course, that notion is pure BS, because there seems to be plenty of resources for male characters. Moreover, these are big name studios coming out and saying these things, that have plenty of resources due to their high profit margin.

I'm not at all implying that every game needs female characters. In the case of a single player game, the playable character should be of whatever gender, race or creed of the dev's choosing. In the case of online multiplayer, however, there is often a budget to include character models of varying races, so it's laughable at best that companies claim women would be too expensive.

I'm also not taking a shot at all big name companies. Insomniac trolled Ubisoft recently by advertising playable female characters for Sunset Overdrive, one of whom was clad in Assassin's Creed-esque clothing. I'm also aware that games like Bayonetta 2, Mirror's Edge 2 and Guerilla's upcoming rpg, all feature female leads. I'm simply pointing out an observation made, not only by myself, but by plenty of others.

When people preach the superiority of indie games, I agree, but only to an extent. Indie games don't always have the budget of a standard AAA game, or the graphics one might expect from a full retail release, but they more than make up for it with an above average creativity, and a fitting price to boot.

In short, things that big companies claim they don't have the resources for, can, and have been done by devs who lack the same budget, and who could be forced into bankruptcy by one unsuccessful game. It's hard not to have a lot more respect for a company that has more to lose, yet still includes things like female characters in their game(which is hardly something that should be seen as extraordinary anyways).

Between games like Red Goddess, Time Spinner and Midora, it's apparent that women have not only found a home in indieville, but are actually thriving there. Some claim that AAA devs could learn a lot from indie devs, and in cases like this, I'm definitely inclined to agree. A higher average of female leads isn't the only area where indie gaming appears to trump its more contemporary counterparts of course, but it is as good an example as any.

DragonKnight4258d ago

Assassin's Creed Unity's multiplayer precludes the inclusion of female avatar's. There, I just ended the "I'm yet another person ragging on Ubisoft for not having a female Assassin option in AC Unity" blog that this is.

For someone who is apparently "not saying" things, you sure do say a lot of things indirectly.

randomass1714258d ago

What about the Assassin's Creed multiplayer in previous games? I'm pretty sure those had female avatars with their own animation and everything. I personally don't mind that they don't have female characters and will probably play Unity if given enough incentive, but Ubisoft's explanation was pretty bad. Not because they're sexist, but either because they are cheap or because their of way of doing things is just ludicrously more costly than other devs.

IMO this blog does make an interesting observation. I've seen more leading ladies in indie games this year than in much of E3. I think the only mainstream publisher that has a lengthy repertoire of playable females to their name this year is Nintendo.

DragonKnight4258d ago

Different type of multiplayer. It was a completely separate campaign in those games, in AC Unity it exists in tandem with the single player. It's the Watch Dogs' style of multiplayer wherein you'll always be the protagonist. You will never see yourself as anyone other than Arno whether someone is joining your game, or you're joining their's.

Therefore, unless the protagonist (and therefore the entire game) is changed to a female protagonist by default, it's impossible to have the kind of multiplayer that Unity has and at the same time have different avatars because you'll never see it. At best the other players will see it, but what would be the point then?

randomass1714258d ago

Good point. I won't pretend to know anything about the plot, so I can't say if Arno could interchangeably be female for sure. On the other hand the same can't be said for Saints Row which doesn't change its dialogue all that much regardless of what gender you pick. At best, people would get their preference, which of course won't change the gameplay very much at all. I guess you could say I'm somewhere between being neutral and being for the inclusion of a playable female assassin.

As for people knocking Ubisoft, I kind of get it from both points of view. It's late in development and Ubisoft didn't really have it in mind, yet it's becoming more and more common in video games so it's apparent there are people who do want it. The thing with Sunset Overdrive's female assassin probably didn't help Ubisoft's image at the time. I'm all for playable female characters with proper context but it has to fit. I don't think this blog is doing it, but a lot of people crapped on Ubisoft rather harshly to the point of calling them sexist which is just silly.

DragonKnight4258d ago

From what I can tell of the plot, it centers around Arno starting with nothing and working his way up to being an Assassin. I have no idea about any of the details, such as is he doing it for revenge or to help someone specifically, but from what I can gather the story seems to be more personally centered around Arno than the previous AC games have in the Past. Don't quote me on that because I haven't done any extensive research on the story, but it does seem like Ubisoft want you to have Arno's story be as much about what you want his story to be as possible, building him up to be the Assassin you want rather than have a linear path to making him the way the others have been.

I'm more convinced that Sunset Overdrive's inclusion was to say "See, we include a female character, look at us and buy our game." I'm less convinced of the fact that developers include things like this because of anything other than external pressure or capitalizing on a PR gold mine.

My personal opinion is that developers should be free to make the game they want to make and that nothing additional should be forced into the game and should be something that's already been envisioned for the game.

I also know, for an absolute fact, that a fictional character's race, gender, or sexual preference literally has no impact on a game's quality save and except when the game is designed specifically for it to have that kind of impact.

Therefore the hate tirades that developers get for their choices on things that are inconsequential in the end is childish and ridiculous. Get enraged over lies like Bioware making everyone believe their choices would have a real impact on ME3's ending only for that to not be true at all; don't get enraged because some pixels don't combine to have some breasts and a vagina, or aren't colored brown, or an animation doesn't include homosexual romance. That's childish.

NintendoYouth4258d ago

I hope this isn't too off topic; but lately I have come to an "awakening" of sorts with games. Why can't my sister play as a girl in her games? Seems strange in 2014 companies refuse to allow certain members of society the option of seeing "themselves" in games.

IMHO create a character in most games made would work wonders in solving this issue; at least alittle.
apologies if my comment is off base or unwanted on your post.

DragonKnight4257d ago

"Why can't my sister play as a girl in her games?"

Because she's playing games that don't have a female protagonist. Why isn't she playing games with a female protagonist or the option to create one?

"Seems strange in 2014 companies refuse to allow certain members of society the option of seeing "themselves" in games."

What do you mean they are "refusing?" By not having a female option, you think they are actively refusing to represent women?

You understand don't you that games are not a consumer committee process? These are pieces of art created by teams with a specific vision in mind. Character Creation would only work in games where the story isn't largely dependent on the protagonist.

How could developers tell the story of a father who has lost his only daughter, became an embittered older man, and was only able to regain a piece of his former self thanks to a brave young girl whom so reminded him of his own lost daughter... if that story had a woman instead?

You see, the moment we start believing that one person, or one group's feelings are the priority, we stop allowing pure creativity. A developer should be allowed to make any kind of character they want to. Be they male/female/black/white/straig ht/gay or whatever.

If they want to make a male character, that's their choice. No one has the right to label them, or mistreat them for their choice and no one has a lick of proof to say that ____ group is being actively refused representation.

Finally, if people spent more time making the games with those supposed underrepresented groups as they did shaming and guilt tripping developers for supposed exclusion, there'd be a lot more games with a lot more character variety. But their quality would be independent of such inclusions that's for sure.

NintendoYouth4256d ago

so your one of those angry white guys who feels threatened because others want to see themselves in games now too?

Thats all I get from your response. Angry, fearful,and ignorant.

DragonKnight4256d ago

And you're a racist. You automatically jumped to race in your response to me having nothing to base your assertion on. Thanks for showing your character.

Oh and, no one is afraid of you, your sister, or whatever movement you follow. Absolutely no one. Pity and annoyance are the emotions most tend to have about people like you.

Tross4257d ago

Wow, I wasn't expecting the response this post got. It was just an observation I had, and the purpose was to generate discussion, which seems to have worked. Of course, as a male gamer, playing as a male character is just fine with me. It has, however, been apparent for years that he opposite sex is under represented in videogames, especially when it comes to playable characters. My jab at Assassin's Creed was meant to be more playful than serious. I think AC is a great series.

Of course, the other part of this post was a jab at AAA games, for being unable to accomplish what smaller devs have done with smaller budgets, but again, it was meant as a fun jab. I play a lot of AAA games too, and that isn't going to change, just because I also happen to appreciate indie games. Sometimes, I just enjoy making observations, and reflecting on them, and that was the angle I approached this topic from.

ZoidsRaven4256d ago

'My jab at Assassin's Creed was meant to be more playful than serious.'

Why take a "jab" at all? I'm sure by now you know that the multiplayer in AC:U works the same as the multiplayer in WatchDogs, rightt? You play as the main character (Arno) and so does everyone else, to take a "jab" (no matter how playful) just makes you come across as not being able to handle seeing a multiplayer game without female representation in a mature way.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot.
Representation adds nothing to the quality or value of a video game, so "AAA" games 'being unable to accomplish what smaller devs have done with smaller budgets' doesn't warrant a "jab" serious or otherwise. 7_7

Tross4256d ago

Because I don't take things as seriously as you do? I think the fact that some AAA devs are shown up by some indie devs, warrants some kind of jab, but to each their own. Enjoy the upcoming AC game. I'm sure it will be fun.

ZoidsRaven4256d ago

You'd be surprised how little I take seriously regarding this topic.
This doesn't have anything to do with you not taking anything seriously, this is about you taking "jabs" at something despite being aware of a factor that makes 'you come across as not being able to handle seeing a multiplayer game without female representation in a mature way'.

The facts are in, to complain about, whine about, take "jabs" at or make fun of AC:U at this point only helps to make you look immature compared to males who have been gaming on female protagonist only games, or females who have been gaming on male protagonist only games.

'I think the fact that some AAA devs are shown up by some indie devs, warrants some kind of jab'

XD What!?
That's so unimportant. It only serves to waste time making an 'observation' based on that.
That would be like me saying:
'Hey you! I bet I made more jumps in the street then you did, you just got shown up!'
'This burger store is getting shown up by that smaller store because that smaller store has pictures of sodas in their store!'
Or to make sure you understand better.
'I think the fact that some indie devs are shown up by some AAA devs because AAA devs got more males in their games, warrants some kind of jab, but to each their own.'

'Enjoy the upcoming AC game'

I'm almost certainly not. They are cutting away parts of their game (that might end up being longer than than the game itself) and selling it back as DLC or as a preorder bonus.... But none of that is important, girl power. 7_7

Tross4256d ago

You must be taking this topic at least a little seriously. You found it important to set aside part of your day to respond to my post, with some fairly lengthy replies, I might add. I must say, I'm flattered.;) If you want to find immature though, I'd suggest looking in a mirror, unless the definition of immature has been changed.;) I do enjoy these chats though. Unfortunately, I don't have any more time(or bubbles) to spare for this conversation. If you want to chat again sometime, by all means, PM me, or respond to other posts or replies of mine.

ZoidsRaven4256d ago (Edited 4256d ago )

I didn't say that I don't take this seriously, it's hard not to take this SJW/Feminist spamming of blogs and articles (that have proven to be incorrect/wrong a long time ago) seriously. All I said was that "you'd be surprised how little I take seriously regarding this topic". And for d@/v\n good reason, you don't respond to my points.

"I must say, I'm flattered.;)"

Oh this part had me dying. XD
You shouldn't feel flattered because the time I ended up spending on showing how immature you come across as only shows how much there is to talk about when it comes to you're immaturity. That's like some idiot storming the streets naked and they say to the person trying to stop them (or trying to talk them out of streaking) "You took a lot of time out of your day, just for me. I'm flattered". With such logic, it's no wonder people like Anita Sarkeesian avoid debates and censor comments.

"If you want to find immature though, I'd suggest looking in a mirror, unless the definition of immature has been changed."

Examples.....? Of course not.
Even if you had more bubbles than I did, so what? You didn't respond to my points, more posts like this doesn't help in anyway.

FalloutWanderer20774256d ago (Edited 4256d ago )

You ae the one coming off as immature I might add. Otherwise,@Tross - Great write up! I agree with just about everything you had to say.

Off-topic - Ubisoft deserves almost every damn jab they have coming their way. The gamers who defend them are either fanboys/girls or ostriches with their heads in the sand.

Ubisoft are not the only offenders but in other areas of game development, they have screwed up a lot i.e. - PC ports, false advertizing/bait & switch ETC.

Any so called AAA dev. that uses poor excuses when they are working with some of the most expensive budgets and large sized development teams needs to rethink their statements and reasons of excluding aspects that smaller studios and Indie devs DO include in their games.

Every situation is different,depending on the game. I will not argue that,this much is clear. On the other hand - The shoddy,piss-poor excuses some of these devs and publishers give is B.S.

DragonKnight4256d ago (Edited 4256d ago )

@Fallout: So then remove the reason they gave, and use the reason they didn't give that's even more legitimate and an even bigger reason.

Assassin's Creed Unity CAN'T have playable female models because the multiplayer is based off the Watch Dogs mechanic where you, the player, will always see yourself as the main campaign's protagonist, Arno, at all times. Whether someone is helping you in your game, or you are helping them in their game you will always see yourself as Arno, and the same goes for every person playing the game. In fact, the only difference there will ever be is when you look at the avatar of someone else, who will just appear as a generic Assassin model.

Making those generic Assassin models female won't matter as the player won't see that, they will always see themselves as Arno.

So, unless they completely redo their multiplayer to NOT be like Watch Dogs and instead be a generic and separate multiplayer campaign, or unless they completely redo the game so as to change the protagonist to a female character (thereby having to change the story and waste millions of dollars and years of time/work), they can't have female models in AC:U. It's impossible.

People like you are devoid of rational thought and would rather pounce on entitled instinct than actually look into something.

Ubisoft's only "crime" was giving the wrong reason in their reply, other than that they did nothing wrong.

ZoidsRaven4255d ago (Edited 4255d ago )

@Tross: If you're the one who gave FalloutWanderer2077 the agree, you surely see my point by now. It doesn't matter how many bubbles they have if they can't contribute to the argument, their whole point is "Tross is immature? NO YOU!", "UBI deserves jabs!" and "UBI made BS excuse!". They don't even respond to my points (same as you), so all they are hoping for is to get the last word.
I'll play along anyway.

@FalloutWanderer2077:
"You ae the one coming off as immature I might add"

Examples....? NO!? If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were a Tross sock (< who wants to bet you'll only address this sarcastic comment about you being a sock instead of my actual points).
I'd like to see you make an actual argument without making it a discussion about your feelings, your feelings don't matter when it comes to what I've been saying to Tross.

"Off-topic - Ubisoft deserves almost every damn jab they have coming their way."

You're too much with this. XD
That would be actually On-topic, you know? What you are about to read (if you're even reading this far) is coming from someone who doesn't care that much about UBI, so no more "gamers who defend them are either fanboys/girls" BS:

I don't care about UBI, I really don't. What I say is in defense of common sense and gaming, not UBI. I only like two of their IPs and Assassin's Creed is not one. Now that even you can see I'm not a UBI fanboy, on with my point (that no one will f[_](k!ng respond to).
UBI deserves no "jabs" because their multiplayer is basically the same as WatchDogs, you play as the protagonist (Arno) and only him. Your online partners see you as a different character and you see them as a different character, this is done so that the story mode can be played cooperatively. To complain at this point only shows why UBI has to make excuses to you, you (and others like you) are not mature enough to be simply told "No playable females". You must throw a tantrum like a kid when they don't get candy.

You even had a chance to read the argument you were jumping into, you could have seen my past posts already explaining how AC:U's multiplayer works.
Here is my explanation: "You play as the main character (Arno) and so does everyone else, to take a "jab" (no matter how playful) just makes you come across as not being able to handle seeing a multiplayer game without female representation in a mature way."

Your kind needs to be talked down to like they have something mentally wrong with them. You should find that sad, but I know you won't. 7_7

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Christopher48m ago(Edited 48m ago)

Pretty sure Japan had plenty of PS5 on the shelves to buy no matter what. The fact is, Japan has moved to mobile gaming over standard home console. Software sales alone show that.

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