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Nintendo & The Hardcore Gamer. We Are Waiting

    Nintendo has a large success with their Wii system. They have sold 35 million units so far, and are doing strong. However they are receiving a lot of criticsm from the Nintendo fanboy, the hardcore gamer, and the large gamer sites. I am posting this blog to tell my side of the story and to calm some hardcore gamers. Please feel free to post a comment, explaining your side of the story. We all have our own opinions.
    Nintendo has had their success with the casual market, a market never really focused on by companies before. This is both good and bad. The good is that they are getting more people into gaming, which is expanding this amazing industry. The bad is that all the 3rd party developers are releasing casual games (and only casual games) on the Wii system. The Wii has its large group of hardcore gamers (Me) and we want to see some real games (We Cheer sucks, EA Playground sucks, Action Girlz Racing sucks, and these licensed games suck). We never had this problem with the GameCube (Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow was awesome). Why have it now??
    This is probably because of the horsepower of the Wii system. It has similar specs to the Nintendo GameCube. When the GameCube was released all the consoles had similar specs. The 6th generation was a great generation in gaming. The 7th generation (now) has consoles that are completely different and this is where the specs matter. The Wii is not focusing on graphics but rather a different way to play games. I personally prefer the FPS controls on the Wii than on the other systems. I like the interactivity. I hope that developers and publishers start to make more hardcore games for the Wii. Casual gamers only consider gaming a pass-time. Nintendo please listen to this next 6 sentences. The reason casual gamers bought the Wii and the DS in the first place is that they heard from friends and relatives how fun it is, and played it for themselves. The reason hardcore gamers bought the Wii is that they did lengthy research on the system and as Nintendo gamers, they got all excited. A casual gamer is NOT going to wait outside a store for 3 hours in the freezing cold waiting for the release of the system. This is where Nintendo botched the Wii launch. We wanted several hardcore games on the Wii. The games I got were Zelda and Excite Truck, and I still love these games. They should have focused on the HARDCORE games at launch, then slowly (and scarcely) released the casual games. I hope that with the Wii HD that they fix this problem. Casual gamers will only buy a game because they want to try something new. Hardcore gamers will buy a game because they have lost their breath over the game when it was announced a year ago.
    Another problem in this huge mess is that the 3rd party developers. They keep releasing dumb and casual games for the Wii. A casual gamer is NOT going to buy all these games. They will probably only buy 5 a month, not all these hideous abominations of mankind. Here is my list of franchises that need to be brought to the Wii:

EA:
1. Command & Conquer
2. Army of Two
3. Dead Space
4. Mirror's Edge

id Software:
1. Doom
2. Quake
3. Wolfenstein

Ubisoft
1. Tom Clancy
2. Far Cry (a good one)
3. Prince of Persia

Epic Games
1. Unreal Tournament (4)

Midway
1. Mortal Kombat
2. Area 51

Capcom:
1. Street Fighter
2. Bionic Commando

Konami
1. Metal Gear
2. Contra

Bethesda
1. Fallout
2. Elder Scrolls


    I might sound crazy, but I am talking about ports or remakes. Doom and Quake would be perfect on the Wii. They could be remakes of the originals with improved graphics, sound, and gameplay. The Wii is a powerful system and partnered with the Quantam3 engine, can make up for a Xbox 360 look, a Nintendo feel, and the best experience ever. Developers need to talk to Nintendo, get the secrets of the Nintendo experience, and get their gameplay ideas from Metroid Prime 3 (shooters) and Cruis'n (driving games). These are my opinions and I applaud High Voltage Software and Free Radical Design for making hardcore Wii games (TimeSplitters 4 and The Conduit). We Nintendo gamers need more hardcore Wii games. The Wii is a awesome system. I hope for the day where someone will say to me " I want a Wii to play The Conduit". That is one of my dreams.

    Basically we have a console with a unique gaming experience that cannot be matched and developers are tossing it away. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare was released for the DS (The freaking 64 bit DS instead of the 128 bit Wii). That is unnaceptable in my opinion. EndWar would of been perfect with the WiiSpeak, without that annoying headset crushing my ear. The Wii is amazing and I hope this article gets developes to step up. This system is in fact a next gen system. A system as powerful as 2 PS2s and 2 Xboxs didn't exist 4 years ago. It exists now and we should appreciate it.
    Nintendo fans are also dissapointed on the lack of hardcore Wii games at E3 08. Games these days take time and effort to make. Rushed titles usually suck, and Nintendo doesn't want the next Metroid, Mario, or Zelda to make the fans hate them. It is not just some random guy in his garage anymore. We have to be patient. The games they did have were hardcore (MadWorld, Call of Duty 5, the WiiSpeak, and The Conduit). Shigeru Miyamoto did announce a new Mario and Zelda to be in development. They had several hardcore games coming out anyway. E3 09 will be their redemption.
    Please leave a comment. I would love to hear all you gamers opinions on this topic. Leave a comment if you own a Wii, are a hardcore gamer, or a Nintendo fanboy.


    

Leafs1176301d ago

The Wii cannot handle games like command and conquer, army of two, dead space, mirrors edge, far cry, tom clancy, UT4, Metal Gear, Fallout, and Elder Scrolls. Even though the Quantum 3 Engine makes Wii games look fine, it does not make them look ANYWHERE NEAR the quality of 360 games. The developers have to cheat and remove other things in order to make the graphics look sub-par when compared to the 360, there is no way the graphics will be able to match up. Secondly, the Wii simply doesn't have the power to run most of the franchises (the devs could release a gimped version for the Wii simply for profit.)A huge and immersive game like Oblivion or Fallout 3 is not possible on the Wii simply because the processing and graphical power is not there. In the other games I listed, there is simply to much going on in them to be possible on the Wii, unless the devs gimp them. You may still get the games, but it won't be the same experience.

The Wii is LESS powerful than the original XBox, get your facts right. Secondly, EndWar would not have been possible on the Wii, they would have to gimp it in order for it to run on the Wii. Also, did you see the graphics for the DS version of COD4 compared to the PS3 and 360 versions. There is a HUGE difference. The Wii cannot handle games the same way the "hardcore" systems can. Call Of Duty: World At War is the perfect example of this.

The Wii is a console for casual gamers, face it, and live with it. Nintendo screwed its true fans over this generation. The Wii will NEVER be able to run games at the level of the 360 and PS3, so get that through your skull.

Here is a video of COD 5 on the Wii:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch...

Here is a video from the XBox 360 BETA:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch...

The beta looks much better than the Wii version, and the full version looks even better. Face it, the Wii is the weakest. The only thing that can save it with the hardcore is it's controls, and the fad of the Wiimote has worn off.

Shoko6300d ago

LOL! You are hilarious

1) When he listed those games, he asked for ports or remakes or Wii versions, not a straight up transfer from PS3 to Wii.

2) LOL! The Wii IS stronger than the original Xbox. The Xbox uses the Dentium 3 processor, but the Wii uses the Power PC processor. Power PC is 3 times more powerful than Dentium. Look it up if you don't believe me. And it uses the "Hollwood Processor", which allows for the Wii to be overclocked.

3) You compared the graphics of the 2 different version of World at War. Wow, you fail in 2 ways. 1) You pointed out the obvious, that the 360 version looks better. and 2) You only talked about graphics. Graphics don't make a game. A true gamer cares about gameplay.

4) Your right, the Wii is a casual system but you cannot deny that it has it's fair share of hardcore games.

Leafs1176299d ago

1)no he didn't, he said that he wanted to see the games looks as good as the 360 version, no way that'll ever happen, just look at what he said

2) http://gamer.blorge.com/200...

old news, the Wii's graphical power are less than that of the original xbox, its all over the internet

3)Your right, graphics don't make a game, but they make it a hell of a lot better. If I only cared for gameplay I'd still be playing super mario 64 on my N64. The point is, graphics do come secondary, but I want the game to look good. In order for the conduit engine to work, the devs had to cheat and take out other things, which will gimp the gameplay. With Wii users, its gameplay or graphics, you guys can't have both. While us PS3 and 360 users CAN have both.

4) It does have it's share of hardcore games, Metroid 3, Twilight Princess, and RE4. You'll notice I didn't list Mario as a hardcore game. The reason that if I can beat a game in 4 hours (SMG) its not a hardcore game.

Shoko6299d ago

Lol.

1) "I might sound crazy, but I am talking about ports or remakes." That's exactly what he said. Your wrong buddy, sorry.

2) OK, 1) The guy is obviously anti-Wii, and 2) Notice hoe he gave absolutely no proof. He gave no numbers, no data, no facts. But I on the other hand gave facts, and that's that the Power PC series is far more superior than the Dentium 3.

3)You said Wii owners can't have graphics and gameplay.........LOL!!! Have you heard of Metroid Prime 3? How about Mario Galaxy? And you obviously don't know S*** about The Conduit. The Conduit is all about giving the Wii a new face. You said it can either have graphics or gameplay, but the game exact purpose is to prove both of those things. Just read some of the interviews with the developers.

4) YOU-ARE-HILARIOUS!!!!!!
a. Mario Galaxy isn't even 4 hours long
b. Then I guess 90% of all 360 games aren't hardcore considering the fact that they can be beat in 5 hours. And that's a fact, so don't deny it.
c. How long the game is does not determine if it's hardcore or not.

I'm sorry, but everything you've said is simply.........wrong. I gave proof, deny it, and well, you'll just be a big stubborn jackass.

SinnedNogara6299d ago

I am not talking about Fallout 3, but a stand alone Fallout game. I am talking about stand-alone titles in those series. UT4 would be nice though.

Leafs1176299d ago

I have a Wii, and do you know what it is doing right now? Sitting beside my 360 collecting dust, its been doing that for the past 4 months. Also, why would you want to play a gimped port or remake? All of the games would be horrible compared to the PS3 and 360 counterparts, so there is no point of a studio ruining it's rep by porting a crappy version onto the Wii. Secondly, I'm going to believe the opinion of the INDUSTRY over the opinion of a "gamer." It is common knowledge that the XBox 1 is more GRAPHICALLY powerful than the Wii, but in terms of processing power, the Wii beats it. Metroid 3 and SMG are mediocore looking games with mediocore gameplay. I have both, I beat them the day I got them. They have no replay value, they are boring as hell. The graphics are unimpressive when compared to the 360 and no game has been able to get the wii controls right yet, they are still to sensitive. The conduit looks pathetic, you can go ahead and enjoy your "hardcore" game, I'll just be laughing at you while I'm playing Gears Of War 2 and an ungimped version of COD5. You do realize that the campaigns for Halo 3, Fable 2, Gears Of War 2, Crackdown, GTA IV, Fallout 3, COD 5, SW: TFU, and other games take much longer than 5 hours? You must be talking about the crappy games that nobody buys on the consoles, sure, I agree with you there. But the good games on the 360 have amazing campaigns. Playing as a plumber and jumping on monsters in order to kill them while trying to find stars does not sound hardcore to me, does it to you? One thing, that the games on the 360 have, is good online. I'd rather talk into a headset than have all of the background noise while trying to talk into a box on top of my tv. The Wii online is horrible, enjoying your friend codes there? XBL is much, much, much, more superior than the Wii online ever will be, and that is why the games are better, they have replay value.

Shoko6299d ago

That's you, not the games. Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3 are beautiful games, that's a fact. To say the graphics aren't impressive is simply a display of ignorance. And the #1 thing Metroid is known for is it's controls, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Please tell me what doesn't work in that game.........oh that's right, you can't cause there's nothing wrong with the controls. Dude, something is seriously wrong with you, cause even the most stuck-up, Wii-hating, ignorant 360 fanboys respect Metroid and Mario Galaxy, along with Zelda. Your just blindly showing hate for the Wii.

"XBL is much, much, much, more superior than the Wii online ever will be, and that is why the games are better"

So your basically saying that the online determines how good a game is!? LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just listen to yourself. Your a fool. Bioshock has no extra modes whatsoever and it's gotten way higher reviews than Halo 3.............yea, I just proved you wrong.

As for Wii graphics, look up the "Hollywood Processor".........

And if you haven't played your Wii in a while than THAT'S YOUR FAULT, because it has plenty of games out right now. But wait, unlike you, I'll give proof behind my arguements:

Skate It: 8.5
Super Smash Bros Brawl: 9.5
Disaster: Day of Crisis: 8.0
Naruto: CoNR2: 8.2
Zack and Wiki: 9.0
Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn:8.0
Wario Land Shake: 8.4
de Blob: 8.4
Blast Works: 8.1
Mario Galaxy: 9.7
Boom Blox: 8.1
Medal of Honor Hereos 2: 8.4
Mario Kart Wii: 8.5
Metroid Prime 3: 9.5
Super Paper Mario: 8.9
Battalion Wars 2: 8.0
Shaun White Snowboarding:8.5
Okami: 9.0
No More Heroes: 8.0
Wii Fit: 8.0
Mario Strikers: 8.3

You've just been completely owned. Even a 360 fanboy would disagree with you, because you are acting waaaaaayyy too ignorant. C'mon, EVERYONE knows Metroid Prime 3 kicks ass. If I were you, I wouldn't respond.

SinnedNogara6299d ago

That link you put was just some gamer arguing over the Wii, he didn't give any specs either, he was just angry. The Wii runs at a slower speed but has a Power Pro processer. It is like comparing a ATV to a motorcycle. The ATV can take more (Power Pro) but the Motorcycle goes faster (Dentium 3). Oh and RTS games don't need good graphics because everything on screen is tiny. Combat flight simulator games in my opinion don't need top-notch graphics either because you can't enjoy the scenery when you are flying. Graphics slightly add to the experience, they don't push the gameplay.

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NineteenSeventyNine6300d ago

I was recently considering buying a Wii for several of the VC games, Galaxy and Brawl. The release of Nintendo's voice chat made me itch for a Wii even more, until I found out what is actually is. It's a box and not a headset. Maybe I'm too afraid to try new things, but this wasn't even a feature at launch! They've had ample time to imporve on the current headsets and voice features, but no. They chose to release an impractical means of communication. Nintendo had proved, once again, that they have no intention of improving (from a hardcore gamer's perspective, anyways). And why would they? The Wii is selling like the cure for cancer and rightfully so. Its purpose is to introduce new gamers into the market and it's doing just that. But don't expect much change for their next system. They have a proven formula for profit, where's their incentive to change?

I don't like Zelda and Metroid, but I do recognize that they are fantastic games. Nintendo doesn't offer much better quality games than these. I like Animal Crossing on the GC, but their "new" version is basically a rehash of the original. I want Nintendo to improve just as much as you do as Nintendo are very creative. Just offer me something of a high quality that doesn't involve Mario, Link, and Samus in it.

SinnedNogara6295d ago

The WiiSpeak quality is great, and you don't have to wear it, meaning it won't crush your ear. It is definently worth it for games like The Conduit.

Zackstorm6292d ago (Edited 6292d ago )

I still think you judged the WiiSpeak too quickly. Not only does it provide sufficient 1 to 1 chat, but if there's two rooms full of people, everyone can chat and hear each other. For many games that the WiiSpeak is used for, they could be played in a party context and it would be unreasonable to expect everyone in the room to wear a headset. Playing the sound through the TV and the Headset, like the one for the Xbox, really makes it hard to hear what people are saying and of course only one person in the room can talk at once.

I think it'd be exciting to be able to play the Conduit with a buddy over and we both be able to trash talk, compliment, or talk sports with each other at the same time without sharing a headset.

I know you're very happy inside your world of Xbox360, aside from the Red Ring, but every now and then, you gotta try to think outside of your Xbox. (See what I did there?)

I know you feel like a cool pilot with the headset on, but come on...

It's a sad day when the console has games that do interest you, but the deal-breaker is the lack of a 360 headset.

Nintendo did more than try to think of ways to bring Voice Chat to their gamers, they obviously put a lot of thought into what would fit best with their gamers and what was the most convenient thing everyone.

Also, about the next Nintedo system... Nintendo has stated that its their hope that casual gamers graduate to be more hardcore gamers, simply because they do make more money, most likely. I wouldn't bash Nintendo in a way that makes it seem like they just want to make money, because they're doing a service for the industry. Its this type of growth that makes everyone get more profit.

There's also been word from reliable sources that the next system should have specs that are more hardcore friendly. But I guess we'll see.

Dakinggamer876300d ago

I'm fine with the Wii I mean sure it has not many hardcore games now and may not have the masses at end of its life cycle but I'm happy so far with what I've got.

I'm looking forward to Madworld, No More Heroes 2, and new Mario, Zelda titles plus all the Wii Ware and VC stuff..

Obviously there is always room for improvement for any company or system but great games take time. I would rather Nintendo take their time making high quality gaming then some of the major disappointments I have seen this gen and I seen quite a few.

SinnedNogara6299d ago

First of all I appreciate your comments. I was just giving my opinion on this article. The reason I didn't add tech details and facts because it is already obvious from the start. When I asked for the Quantam3 engine is that it can be used to give better graphics, not FULL 360 level, just near 360. Ports or remakes are something like putting Quake or Doom on the Wii with updated graphics. When I said EndWar or C&C, they are RTS games!!! RTS games are the type of games that don't need great graphics because you see the whole battlefield from the sky, and everything is TINY. When I said games like Metal Gear, Mirror's Edge, or Army of Two, I ment something like a sidestory (A Metal Gear that is set in a time after MGS4) or the Metal Gear Complete Collection on the Wii. A Dead Space game that takes place before the original Dead Space. Stuff like that. Ports are games that don't have the full graphics, but have the Wii specific gameplay and design, while retaining factors from the PS3 and 360. The Wii needs new games and games from existing franchises (Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles as a example of a game that does it). I was suprised at the responses I got and I am not sad at all. They are kind of funny. Man you guys are harsh.

Shnazzyone6296d ago (Edited 6296d ago )

Okay regaurding the convo on this blogs comments thusfar:

Yeah that link leafs gave for "proof" of xbox superiority is opinion and nothing else.. the end(I hate unsourced garbage).

Galaxy and prime were both beautiful and well done... both can be beaten quickly but the replay is finding everything and i'm guessing not many people here can claim they got ALL the stars in galaxy.

In regard to the blog itself:

It demonstrates hope but what i was really hoping for was you to discuss the hardcore options wii owners WILL be getting in 2009. Not the fantasy world of could bes.

You should have brought up madworld, and the conduit as well as no more heroes 2. I think the developers have finally had enough time getting used to the hardware of the wii and 2009 may finally see those titles the wii has been lacking. Remember Xbox 360 still had crap for it's first 2 years too. It takes time to develop good games and at the start of year 3 for the wii it is overdue for more quality titles. in the meantime xbpx360 and wii owners can rejoice at the tiny tiny selection ps3 owners have. But they can always gloat about their blueray capability.

In conclusion... calm your fanboy asses down and learn respect and patience!

Captain_Sony6292d ago

Sorry but I want proof that someone can get all the stars with both Mario and Luigi in 4 hours.. Sure getting just 60 stars is easy but that isnt beating the game at all. IN fact you have to beat bowser at least 1 time to open up a few of the worlds you'll need to really beat the game.

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