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SilentNegotiator

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Let the Hypocrisy Flow

Xbox One doesn't have backwards compatibility? No biggie. Ps4 requires payment to play online? I wipe myself with $5 a month! Xbox One has mandatory installs? Whatever, man; Halo!

I read a blog by DedicatedToGamers a few days ago, in which he said (in summary) 'I'm not afraid of a console with bad policies, I'm afraid of the gamers that accept them'. I must now concur with grave prejudice.

Over time, I could probably end up coping with all of the issues we've seen unveil the last month, but only in the way that a man accepts taxes; because they don't want to move to a deserted island just to avoid them. They want to live in a place with clean water, some law and order, electronics, etc and manage with the BS for it.

But to see gamers bend so hard to accept policies that they moaned over for an entire generation is truly disturbing.

These were ADVANTAGES. They were positive things. Xbox 360 had BC and no mandatory installs? Great! Ps3 not charging for online? Wonderful, I hate the idea of a paywall to the MP! How can we just shrug these things off where we were once so discontent with when we didn't have them?

Now on a few personal notes, I never cared about BC; it was faulty on the 360 and I didn't care that Ps3 dropped it because my ps2 is a decade old and still runs without a hitch. But not having mandatory installs on 360 was a nice advantage. I can't think of how many games I went with on 360 because I didn't want to make room for 5GB on my PS3. But now Xbox One, with it's proprietary, irreplaceable HDD, will be the one with mandatory installs. That sucks. And no online paywall was a major advantage for me in deciding on being a PlayStation gamer. LIVE was never a financial burden, but it was definitely a moral issue; paying for the multiplayer portion of my game made no sense. I stopped paying for LIVE about 4 years ago and never looked back. I never would have guessed that Sony would backtrack on that policy. I'm very disappointed.

Granted, not everyone has bent over or shrugged. But enough to disappoint me with vigor. The gaming world is ripe for change that favors publishers because so many gamers have no strength or principle.

SilentNegotiator4700d ago (Edited 4700d ago )

I never would have imagined that this E3 could leave me so sad. It's not that there weren't good looking games. There were plenty. But I hate the new policies and I'm not sure I will ever be able to deal with them. Between DRM and MP subscriptions, none of the home systems (consoles and PC) feel very welcoming anymore.

As soon as I read about the MP paywall on Ps4, I just went numb. I don't care anymore. I stopped looking at E3 details, wrote this blog, and now I'm going to bed. The one system I thought wouldn't find a major way to disappoint me.

Oh gaming...whyyyy?
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pixelsword4700d ago

I missed that; if I have to pay to play, then Sony's off of my list.

givemeshelter4700d ago

If you want to play online you have to... Something Sony said they would never do...

darthv724699d ago

sony made that promise for the PS3. They never said anything abou the PS4 until now. It only makes financial sense to encompass the multiplayer into PS+.

Sony would probably have liked to charge for PSN initially but their service was nothing like Live at the time it came out. So they had to make it free.

Adding in the optional PS+ component a few years later was their way of testing the waters. If people were comfortable with paying, they would likely start to tailor new services and features towards the paid members. Which is what they did over the course of the last couple of years.

so now they have established a strong paid membership plan, to get others to sign up they really had only one incentive. Move the multiplayer over to the PS+ side of things.

pixelsword4699d ago (Edited 4699d ago )

Yeah, so what?

I don't want bells and whistles,

I don't want free B-Grade games,

I don't want to take over other people's games.

I just want to play the game I bought online.

They've got the nerve to charge $60 for a game when you have to pay to pay for the other half.

It wasn't acceptable when Microsoft did it, and it's not acceptable that Sony does it.

Screw 'em.

gaffyh4699d ago

I was a little disappointed that Sony snuck that in there, but I have had PS+ for a while now and it is absolutely 100% worth it and my subscription is paid up until some point next year, so this doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would. This possibly has to do with how anti-consumer the XBone is that I was willing to accept the PS+ cost to play online.

Sony are doing quite a lot more this gen with the PSN than they have done previously, particularly the video uploading, so it is to be expected that their server costs would increase, and this probably helps in that regard.

TheBlackSmoke4699d ago

The difference is that xblg was simply a paywall to play online. The argument was always that other than the ability to play online, gold offered nothing else of value.

Ps+ is a different story, you get so much value, you get old and new games across 3 platforms, discounts, themes, avatars, betas. and lets not forget that plus is still cheaper than gold. I get my money back within the first month.

Adding the online pass to plus is not ideal but I dont feel ripped off at all. I already have plus so I simply have to just carry on as usual.

For sony, I think with what they offer with gakai, instant download, share functionality, Dedicated servers, streaming and all the new networking features, you cant expect them to run all that for free. The PS4 era psn is a MASSIVE upgrade from the PS3 psn, we can all see clearly that they invested money in to the online like everyone asked them to so the charge is justified because in the end they are a business and they have to incur costs to do everything.

MysticStrummer4699d ago

I'm very disappointed about paying to play online as well.

I expected them to make basic online play free but give most or all of the PS4's social features to the PS+ members.

PS+ is a great value as it stands now, and I can see why Sony did it, but it did dampen my enthusiasm. I'll probably end up going for it because I've thought of getting PS+ many times and just never did it. I think the possibility of games becoming free might make me buy fewer games overall though.

pixelsword4699d ago

This isn't any offense to anyone, but it's just comments, so please don't take it personally, any anger displayed is for Sony, and not any individual.

gaffyh

"so this doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would. This possibly has to do with how anti-consumer the XBone is that I was willing to accept the PS+ cost to play online."

That's a good point I wish to elaborate on, my friend: yesterday's villain is tomorrow's hero. Paying to play online was Anti-consumer this gen, and now it's not...? So, next gen if/when Sony requires constant online and monitoring of it's players along with DRM, it won't be so bad because we get free games with your monitoring and lock-down of services because Microsoft requires you to put in your ID before you play? All they are doing is inching along while Microsoft is barreling forward, and there's two major groups that will buy into it:

1. the ones who are more impulsive (not a bad thing because they display more in-tuned instinct for things than others).

2. people who are more rational and weighs the good and bad and makes decisions upon info more than impulse (not a bad thing, number crunchers look at the stats over shine).

The games on each respective console even reflect such mentalities. This seems like a big social experiment.

"Ps+ is a different story, you get so much value..."

I agree there's value there, I'm not denying that, but why can't it stand on it's own? Not everyone values those things, nor cares for them; not that it's useless, but not everyone sees the features the PS+ has as needed, and that's where Sony messed-up. Give me a choice, and I'll probably choose it anyways, but give me no choice and I'll resist every time.

@ MysticStrummer

"I expected them to make basic online play free but give most or all of the PS4's social features to the PS+ members."

That's what I was thinking, that would have been something I would have tried for the first year then make a decision about keeping it or not, but not like this. At least give me a choice instead of the illusion of one.

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unchartedxplorer4700d ago

Putting up servers costs money. If you look at the xbox live service it ran a lot better, was much more secure plus it gave funding for timed exclusive dlc and to make the service overall a lot better.
Plus with psn plus you get a lot more stuff besides online play. You get an instant game library, cloud storage, discounts and with the ps4 we might be getting even more stuff.

I know a goddamn subscription sucks, but hopefully this means that they can provide a much quicker, secure and social service.

ZombieNinjaPanda4699d ago

"If you look at the xbox live service it ran a lot better"

So then why did everyone always parrot the constant "Lol you pay for P2p servers"?

MysticStrummer4699d ago

XBL actually didn't run better in independent testing, if by "running better" you mean being a stable online gaming platform. XBL's advantage was the social features.

JohnDread4699d ago

Seriously, when I watched the part where they explained the whole PSN stuff and no DRM etc, I constantly thought "Holy crap, this box is gonna cost a fortune, there is no way they can pay for all that just like that." When I saw the price tag, I was astonished. That they now adopt the subscription model for online play is a thing I consider necessary. Honestly, if they wouldn't have done it that way, the box would have a 500$ price tag at least. This way, you have the choice whther you want to pay or not. Sony has done so many things right.

Besides, I am not at all disappointed by this E3 (Nintendo is still to come btw). It's one of the best I ever experienced.

iamgoatman4699d ago

With you 100%.

A lot of great games on show masked by the console manufacturers doing what they do best, screwing over the consumers whilst making out it's actually a good thing.

What sickens me the most though is not that the PS4 now has a pay-to-play online service, it was inevitable really, but that doesn't make it any more acceptable. It's the people who harped on about Live being paid are now praising Sony as if it's brilliant idea and that they're doing gaming a favor.

MS deserves everything it gets when it comes to the X1's ridiculous DRM, but that doesn't automatically make the PS4 any better. Championing a device that now has restricted it's online to a paid service just because it has no DRM, which should be standard anyway, is just mind boggling.

Gamers, you're embarrassing a once great pass time.

Mr_Nuts4699d ago

In my opinion I feel like it's got to do with Microsoft changing the rules in the industry with their anti consumer policies.

If MS didn't do that and the PS4 made you pay for online then fair enough but because MS has been the threat more about anti consumer rights then Sony is forced into a choice

1) Do what MS is doing to get themselfs a cut

or

2) Find another way to make money

They went with option 2 because MS forced them into that space....they decided to charge people for online since MS had buried themselfs even deeper then just making people pay for online.

RyuCloudStrife4699d ago (Edited 4699d ago )

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Or maybe "My Foot in Your ___" http://th03.deviantart.net/...
Love That 70's Show!

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DragonKnight4700d ago

Yeah, I don't know what Sony are thinking with the PS+ thing if it indeed is true. It pretty much is true, so I'm going to accept it as true, but Sony need to clarify instead of letting people go off 2 seconds of a youtube video. Pretty stupid thing to do considering they were holding free online play over MS for so long.

SilentNegotiator4700d ago

Oh it's true, no doubt about it. "PS4 multi-player online access requires PSN account & PS Plus subscription"

There's no way to misinterpret that.

DragonKnight4700d ago

I didn't hear that in their conference, too busy with twitter implosions, but if they said that in their conference then booooo.

But I did see the "confirmation" in a 20 second video. So, IF true, then twitter hashtag campaign #NoPayForOnlinePlayPS4 should commence.

LoveOfTheGame4699d ago

^^^
It was right after the guy was dogging xbox about how the PS4 will allow used games, loan them to friends, and 100% ownership of disc. When he started to talk about PS+ the very last line on the slide said something like Allow Immersive Multiplayer on PS4...the crowd kinda went silent.

I found this hilarious, with the amount of Sony fanboys on this site, and it even converted a few PS only players to Xbox.

I'm not dogging either company for their new decisions with online play and installing as they make sense. The xbox one installs erases the need of using the disc which is an advantage and PS can now make an experience on par with Xbox Live now that they have a steady income for it.

Everybody wins or everybody loses, whichever way you want to look at it.

KrisButtar4699d ago (Edited 4699d ago )

very true but it brought up questions for me as in what about the MMO's. do you have to have PS+ and pay a monthy fee for them or is all you need PS+ or maybe MMO's can be played without PS+ since you would have just paid 60 bucks for a new game or/and only to be charged another 50 bucks for a yearly sub of PS+. to play the MMO.

MysticStrummer4699d ago

"it even converted a few PS only players to Xbox."

Given other factors, I don't see how that's possible.

Not saying you're lying but NeverEnding, who's always been a big time Sony hater, is now claiming that he was going to buy a PS4 until he found out it was pay to play online.

People can claim whatever they want online to get a reaction.

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MacDonagh4700d ago

I think it's very smart. They can get to bury the bad guys and come out smelling like roses. I felt a disturbance in the force. It felt like millions of Xbox One pre-orders screaming and being cancelled.

Sony pulled a good conference but there are downsides to everything these days. Making this Gaikai system work will probably not come cheap but at least with PS+; you're getting more than just online play.

MikeMyers4700d ago

Oh my God. If it was the other way around you'd write a blog about it. Yet when Tretton says it for all to hear you want to question it now? Too funny.

He said that single player games and media options like movies and music will remain free. However online play will now reside under the Plus service.

Now excuse me while I wait for you to draft your next damage controlled rebuttal.

It's also not a stupid thing to do, it's money Sony needs. They know games are becoming very demanding online such as Destiny and Watchdogs. Sony has always passed the buck to 3rd party publishers to runt heir own servers. Perhaps they now want a fee for doing that because with Microsoft they handle the servers. It's why games don't have as many issues on Xbox Live. How many times do we see games on the PS3 stumble out of the gates because of server demand? Go look up Call of Duty and how they had to add more servers on the PS3 because of demand. Way too many shooter fans on the PS3.

That doesn't happen on Live because Microsoft already has 15,000 servers and are about to go wide open with 300,000. That's why so many PS3 owners like myself notice downloads seem to take longer on the PS3 because those servers get over-loaded and because of location.

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Why o why4700d ago

I think the whole point of this piece was to highlight the hypocrisy of both sides. You've been spinning all week...projecting sony would have drm/ block too....this now is ALL YOU HAVE. So bask in this hollow victory, the war has already been won

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ShabbaRanks4700d ago (Edited 4700d ago )

I think the reason Sony Incorporated a fee for multiplayer is due to acquiring Gaikai a few months ago and I’m sure some devs complained that they didn’t get anything in return like with Xbox Live. I could be wrong though, I’m still getting a PS4 and the fact that I’m PS+ won’t affect me…

But I know a lot of people that aren’t pleased with this news. I know a lot of people that don’t feel like paying for multi including some of my close gaming friends and I hope I won’t loose them :( I could go on and say 5bucks isn’t much and that you get free games, but I would sound like a fanboy and it would also make me a hypocrite for bashing Xlive in the past witch I did stop paying for.

Oh well PS4 could be the last console I own. The future of gaming seems dark ...

stuna14700d ago

The thing is do we as gamers really know what Sony had to sacrifice in order to 1)Do away with DRM? 2)Allow us to still have control over how we choose to use our games, as far as selling, trading or just giving them away? 3)Not require us to have a camera attached to our console that without it wouldn't even operate? And I'm sure there were other sacrifices made on behalf of gamers! But Sony heard how we felt about these things, and instead of ignoring us, these proved to us that they do listen to us.

So knowing what type of money Sony could have squeezed out of us, the chose to make PS+ manditory for online play, even though we as gamers are still benefitting from paying a $50 dollar fee that for the most part pays for itself in the first month! considering all the free material we get for just being members.

Yet we have those still complaining about paying this fee! I could see if you got nothing in return, but that's not the case is it? And knowing the financial trouble Sony has been in, don't they deserve something in return?

Ducky4700d ago

"And knowing the financial trouble Sony has been in, don't they deserve something in return?"

I didn't realize that Sony made no profit from selling console hardware and/or games.

... but if they're in financial trouble, then I suppose it's alright for them to put features behind a pay wall.

stuna14700d ago

@Ducky

Do you not realize more than likely the PS4 and definitely the Xbox1 will start off selling at a lose? Hell the WII U was reported to sell at a lose, but thats neither here nor there! The paywall you speak of has 1 thing behind it! Multiplayer, but I'm willing to bet that you paid for Xbox Live!? And practically everything they offer is behind a paywall.

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dedicatedtogamers4700d ago (Edited 4700d ago )

The new policies do suck, although - with the push for more cloud-based and integrated/social/massive-mult iplayer/free-to-play/etc/etc - I can understand WHY Sony is requiring PS+. I'm not saying it's okay. I'm just saying I understand why. They can charge for it and still end up being the hero compared to MS. I'm already a PS+ user, so I guess it...doesn't...affect...me *wink wink*

The hypocrisy is downright annoying. Why are mandatory installs and Blu Ray suddenly okay, but $5 for PS+ not okay?

Software_Lover4700d ago

It's the other way around also. That is what Silent was saying. Hypocrisy on both sides.

SonyPS44700d ago

Don't see how Sony cannot leave the fancy cloud/social networking knick knacks behind a PS+ paywall and just let everyone else use the traditional online multiplayer for free, like they have been since the beginning of PSN, or during the PS2-era if you must.

Ducky4700d ago

I championed myself as a selfish bastard, so I guess I get off scott-free.

Well, not really, I still have to live with the stain of being a selfish twerp, but I'm a happy little twerp I am.

MikeMyers4700d ago

Flip-flop and damage control, that's all I read.

MRMagoo1234699d ago

Yeh those xbone fans are the worse with all that flip flopping huh, remember all that stink about having to install games on the ps3 and everyone bagging it and how about everyone saying sony will def have drm and stuff now they dont have anything to say but you have to pay to play online which the xbone fans have been doing since the 360 came out, luckily most ps3 owners have ps+ and it wont effect them at all but those that dont have it will go oh well you have to do that with xbox anyway. the same cant be said for the xbone fans that will see ps4 owners trading in games and say i wish i could do that or watching them buy used games and saying i wish i could do that, or just lending a disc to a friend and saying i wish i could do that, or playing offline for as long as you want and the xbone fans saying i wish i could do that.

smashcrashbash4700d ago

That is the way it is.People were just looking for a reason to attack the PS4 and they found it.Any bad news about the PS4 will be amplified so they can make the Xbox One look good and they can use it as a shield every time we point out any faults the Xbox One has.They scream hypocrisy until it is their turn.Look at the recent rumor that Microsoft was blocking Sony from showing certain third parties.If Sony had done it it would be evil.Microsoft does it and it's just business.Sony is evil every time they try to make a profit and Microsoft is smart and it's just business whenever they do the things they do. People don't even care about the fact that even if Sony decides to implement this PSPlus is loads more advantageous then what Microsoft offers.After what Sony did to Microsoft at this E3 they have to lash out somehow.Non gamers who buy the console only will see one thing. PS4 is cheaper then a Xbox One.and after they were so confident and certain that Sony wouldn't come cheaper with their console.Like you said I don't accept it but I understand why they would do something like this.

SonyPS44700d ago

"That is the way it is."

"Like you said I don't accept it but I understand why they would do something like this. "

You just accepted it.

rainslacker4700d ago (Edited 4700d ago )

PS+ has always been a great value. I think that's why the reveal of paying for online didn't really hit me that hard at first since I would have it as a matter of course.

Honestly, it doesn't matter. Hypocrisy, and calling it out is rampant on both sides of the fence. It's fan boy fodder as it always has been.

In the end, it still comes down to what I've said before on this issue, if you find value in what you're spending your money on, then it's not for me to tell you that you're wrong.

In some ways it's just a smaller version of the DRM issue. YOu accept it, you can pay for it. Only this time there is no way to really say that we fought these things...unless we do fight it. I have a feeling though, given what I've seen so far, Sony is probably going to get a free pass on this one. I'm sure greenpowerz will say it's the reason Sony is doomed next gen. He's already said no 24-hour check in means the system will be rife with piracy.

maniacmayhem4700d ago (Edited 4700d ago )

@Dedicated

I'm actually shocked you didn't write a blog about this first, as soon as the info/rumor hit. You seem to get other blogs about MS/Xbox One out as soon as their news is hot off the press.

dedicatedtogamers4700d ago

I was actually one of the first to mention it in my blog here: http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

Although the mention was a part of a much larger blog post. Sorry that I didn't make a full blog post out of it (you'll notice that this blog was my only blog of the day). Silent beat me to the punch. ;)

Why o why4700d ago

Im with sonyps4... I thought sony had enough ps plus subscribers to allow free for everybody else.

This is annoying even though I'm a plus subscriber.

Annoying

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Christopher4700d ago

In this instances, we are left to choose the lesser of two evils or stick with the evil we've always had (PC). Oh, or the Wii U... but... well... that's crazy.

Software_Lover4700d ago (Edited 4700d ago )

There is no such thing as the lesser of two evils. I hate it when people say that. You kill them both and come to pc where it is free, the games are cheaper, you can use a console controller. But there is that (evil) DRM thing you have to worry about. You dont have to be online to play, but you get the idea.

Christopher4700d ago

You are blind if you think PC already hasn't embraced DRM almost entirely. I'm on Steam, that's DRM. I can't lend my nephews a game. There are tons of DRM with PC games. I have to install Origin for Ea. UPlay for Ubisoft. There's tons of bad stuff about PC.

There are a lesser of two evils. A robber is not the same as a murderer.

DragonKnight4700d ago

PCs invented the DRM that Microsoft is using. PC is where DRM is tested first because, most of the time, it is allowed to happen.

Software_Lover4700d ago

ou are blind if you think PC already hasn't embraced DRM almost entirely. I'm on Steam, that's DRM. I can't lend my nephews a game. There are tons of DRM with PC games. I have to install Origin for Ea. UPlay for Ubisoft. There's tons of bad stuff about PC.

........... Did you not read what I wrote? I said there was DRM on pc.

Christopher4700d ago

Then how do you "kill them both" when you're going right to what you are trying not to run towards?

You're not making sense as a response to my concerns.

Reefskye4700d ago (Edited 4700d ago )

Difference is with PC games.. PC needs DRM as you can stick a game in to your drive and copy it then take the DVD back to the shop and get a refund.. this is why PC has DRM. I did it with quiet a few PC games back in 2000-2003 before shops stopped taking PC games back opened. Not hard to find a no CD crack for any game on PC in this day n age. Plus internet connections are so fast if you was really desperate to play a game quick google search and you can download it in an hour.

If you could of copied a PSone or a xbox games back before steam and the likes where on PC you would of had the same result with CD keys etc.

majiebeast4700d ago

Yeah not cool with the online. Doesnt bother me though you get so much content for that 5$ a month. I bought Guacamelee with a 4$ discount at launch, thats almost the price of 1 month PS+ that doesnt include other discounts and the rental games you keep till the sub is up. Also all the apps are not behind a paywall.

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Itveds12h ago

re-evaluating exclusivity 💀

PS players will need to go back to pretending to dislike Xbox games

pwnmaster300012h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Or meaning since it’s doing so good they might just do everything day 1.

They didnt say re-evaluating their multiplatform approach.
🤣🤣🤣 Xbox is so dead. I know you scared🤣🫵ӿ 97;

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Eonjay8h ago

Even when the topic is strictly Xbox he can't stop talking about PlayStation. Xbox has basically become the hate of PlayStation... and not much else.

peppeaccardo1h ago

This whole mess is the result of bad decisions and strategy from those who have "the vision" inside the company.

pwnmaster300012h ago

Hurt over video games 🤣🤣

Lmao we all grew and got jobs but apparently you stayed home broke 🤣🤣.
Man I love loyal dogs like you. MS kicked Spit and slapped you around but you still come back on all 4s.

Good little boy 🤣🤣

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GhostScholar10h ago

My only question is what games are PlayStation gamers gonna play now? They don’t really come out with new games anymore. I’m looking forward to wolverine, but after that then what?

-Foxtrot11h ago

Lmao

There’s no way after everything it’s going back, the damage is done

What you are seeing now is the new management telling what the core fanbase (aka…you) want to hear so they are pumped full of hope and are more likely to invest in the next Xbox console

When Phil took over after the awful Xbox One reveal he did the same thing, he told people what they wanted to hear for damage control.

It’s crazy people are getting suckered into this again.

GhostScholar10h ago

I mean I always buy both systems, so none of this affects me.

darthv723h ago

FWIW..... wasn't the new management speaking to the other staff.... not so much us (regular folk)?

CrashMania11h ago

And you'll now go back to again thinking exclusives suddenly matter, that multiplatform is no longer the future, or that revenue from multiplatforms doesn't matter, like all you flop flopping xbox grifters lol.

The whole post just sounds like the previous phil corpo slop talk to me, whole thing reads like a nothing burger lol.

Jin_Sakai10h ago

“re-evaluating exclusivity”

She also said this.

“The model that got us here won’t be the one that takes us forward.”

Profchaos7h ago

I don't know if they have a model anymore it's flipped so many times since the xbox one reveal

TriniOutsider9h ago

It must be miserable being someone like you.

Aloymetal9h ago

There's a bunch just like him but that's what happens when some rely on dreams, hope and wishful thinking. lol

isarai_lee9h ago

"pretending"? Bro gears hasnt broke 1mil on ps5, and starfield hasn't passed 200k, Hellblade 2 was even stated to be a financial disappointment in sales on its own console, let alone ps5. Im not saying people don't like them, but they certainly aren't setting the community on fire, Forza may be different tho

Neonridr8h ago

Forza broke 5 million on PlayStation. So yes. And there's a new one coming soon.

badz14939m ago

if only they make a real physical version of those games, especially Gears, it would have sold more on PS5

Aloymetal9h ago

Xbawx is ''re-evaluating exclusivity''... Translation: After throwing all sort of crap to the wall to see if something sticks but clearly nothing worked, we, including our lord ''in charge'' Phil came to the conclusion that exclusives indeed do matter so please forget if we ever said otherwise.
Yup, I feel it in my gut, next gen belongs to xbox, PS6 is cooked...

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1Victor8h ago

Someone can’t sleep after those 5 million forza games PURCHASED by PlayStation owners🤣 🧌 💥

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Extermin8or3_6h ago

Well with the decreased price of gamespass even with cod off it there is no way it is profitable given the cost of making their 1st party games (not if you actually include that cost in gamespass costs which they typically dont but should) they will just make a loss without the sales on

Xx_Pistol_xX4h ago

They don't hate the games. They hate the box.

DazaMc2h ago

Forza just sold five million copies on PS5, they have a taste for it now.

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Outside_ofthe_Box12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300011h ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv723h ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

Itveds11h ago

Gonna be a funny world where Xbox games are exclusive and Sony games are not lol

Outside_ofthe_Box10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Funny world where Sony is pro consumer and Xbox is not? At least according to what you loyalists have been saying all this time 🤭

VenomUK9h ago

@itveds For how many years have you been doing this sad stuff? For how many years have you been creating fake accounts to troll? For how many years have you always been cl vnn

fr0sty7h ago

Pathetic incels with nothing better to do than argue over a box... Because they don't have any good games to play on theirs, obviously. If your precious box is so special, why don't you shut the fuck up and go play it?

Elda1h ago

Sony exclusives will always be better than anything XB puts out.

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CrashMania11h ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

Neonridr8h ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box5h ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Pyrofire956h ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv723h ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

--Onilink--49m ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

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maximusprime_11h ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted9h ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

shadowT11h ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers10h ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14934m ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

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Marathon Was One Of The Best-Selling Games In March 2026

Insider Gaming writes: "Marathon was one of the best-selling video games in March 2026 in the United States. On Wednesday, Circna released the best-selling games of the month, and it featured six new releases along with two games returning to the top 20 after previously falling out."

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92nar1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Is it April fools day again?

The game is dead.

EDIT: the numbers are fudged. “digital sales on Nintendo and Xbox weren’t included in the data”

italiangamer1d 14h ago

🖕🖕🖕 29313;🤡🤡

92nar1d 12h ago

How’s concord 2, sorry I mean marathon doing? 🤣🤣

Neonridr18h ago

well it's not on Switch / Switch 2.. so their number would be zero.

The game had a decent launch however the userbase numbers are dwindling on Steam.

1Victor18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

“ Is it April fools day again?

The game is dead.

EDIT: the numbers are fudged. “digital sales on Nintendo and Xbox weren’t included in the data”

Does it hurt you to hear a SONY game was BEST selling ?
You gotta let go of those OBCURED feelings 🤷🏿

Neonridr18h ago

I mean the only reason MLB was the best selling title was because it was multi-platform. Likewise with Marathon. Will ring true for MS games. Only Nintendo titles are truly flexing their muscles when they chart as they are only to be found there.

S2Killinit7h ago

So that means we are going to act like it wasn’t best selling?

ChunkyMonk6h ago

It's kinda funny how this Obscure guy lives rent-free in your head. lol

Does Phil also live there?

1Victor5h ago

It's kinda funny how this Obscure guy lives rent-free in your head. lol

Does Phil also live there?
I’m sorry did you wrote something smart ?
Or are you trying to to be funny because you failed at both
Now kid run to mommy legs the grown ups are talking.
Don’t bother writing anything I will not respond to a bratty child like you

Outside_ofthe_Box17h ago

Can't wait to see how this is spun negatively. 😜

-Foxtrot11h ago

Yeah sure, yet the player count is no where near what they want for a AAA game with so much money behind it

Why people are trying to spin this game like it’s done overly amazing is baffling to me.

It won’t even be a blip on peoples radars by the end of the year .

S2Killinit7h ago

I really doubt that. I see it getting more and more traction.

ChunkyMonk6h ago

You must me typically wrong cuz those Steam chart numbers (AKA where the game sold the MOST) is less than what Hunt has, and Hunt didn't cost $500 million to make lol

Soy8h ago

So........doing better than most expected, but not enough to make back what it cost.

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