I don't understand why people are so quick to defend a game they haven't even played. The kind of blind defending of The Order has me very worried for the future of gaming.

I think what irks me the most about the length, is that this game gives me a "world." Uncharted doesn't have a "world." It's just the world we live in, but some guy is treasure hunting and sometimes some sci fi stuff happens. God of War doesn't really count either cause all I've ever seen was dead people and broken temples. TWD is very much so a "world" but luckily you can get your TWD fix in many ways outside of the game.

So now I have this sick alternate history setting, with these steam punk guns, and these organizations, and this conflict between these two groups, and I'm completely immersed...and I'm only gonna get to spend a few hours with it. That's what makes me sad.

A "world" (or I guess a universe is really what it's called) is an important tool. It's one of the reasons why we saw a sequel to FFX before any of the others. The universe was expansive with Sin, Summoners, Guardians, races, religions, etc..it was so easy to expand on it. Same with FFXIII. That being said, I hope we get MORE of the order in some way shape or form. I'm not saying start the MMO just yet, but man, I'd love to spend more than 10 hours with this game.

Any game that is QTE heavy should not be highly rated in the gameplay department.

A tighter, more focused experience can justify a short game. The thing is, people throw their hands up and cry out it's a problem in gaming. Simply put - don't buy it. There are plenty of games, like open world ones, that throw in side quests and collectables that can pad the game out to 60 hours, making some players believe they've got more bang for their buck.

I hammered The Last of Us out in a single day. Should I be dissapointed that it didn't compare to the three years I got out of World of Warcraft? Or the 400+ hours I've put into Chivalry? No, it was an awesome game. I could speed run RE4 in a few hours and still consider it one of the best games ever.

This isn't a problem in the industry. The games market is big enough to appeal to all tastes and if you want a short, focused story then enjoy. To the others complaining, don't buy and go play something where you feel more time = money well spent.

What bothers me is that so many sites had their sphincters pointed at this game since it was barely even revealed. They showed about 2-3 minutes of some good looking cutscenes and some shooting that took place in a corridor and everyone went "THAT MUST MEAN THAT THE GAMEPLAY SUCKS"

I don't want to sound like an *hole but this is kind of the way I feel about Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. Played it through once and Im never planning on to replaying it (paid 5€ for it so it wasn't a big deal, hey at least it was more worth for my money than fkn FEAR3).

The Order is just another bad case of overhyping in action.

GOW does tap into that absurdly violent action gameplay vein so I guess it does have its reasons to be loved by so many.

Though Im sure there are going to be people who enjoy the game regardless of the amount of content they get for their money, I have come across that type of situations too. Some games training this type of mentality is fine but raising it so much more above than the other games does no good. Im almost certain that within the next few months we are going to have another game pinpointed and hyped to hell and back before its release date which will end up in similar feels as WD/Destiny/Driveclub/The Order/whatever.

PS, tired, Im expecting that this comment makes no sense to me (or anyone else) tomorrow...

I wont talk about the order here, but about your... funny examples. first of all, GOW and Uncharted had lots of QTE's... in executions and stuff. Aside from that, those games were about exploration and battles. hell, you should, at least, compare the game with Heavy Rain and Beyond.

And... the walking dead? A QTE game? Really? It's called graphic adventure game, and you must make choises, not shooting and hack'n'slash. Oh, and it doesnt cost $60. I mean... know your business. Your arguments make no sense at all.

Well,no opinion on this because I don't own a PS4. But I do want to point out that the walking dead managed to get a game that its story unfolded via gameplay and follow on Heavy Rain improvement on point and click adventure games by actually moving the character and using qtes creatively. Uncharted brought the ability to shoot from ladders,ledges, etc. Go from gun combat into melee combat without lag or loading times. Kept the spectacle of explosions, cazy stunts playable as opposed to a cutscene. My question is what did the order 1886 innovate,improved, or moved gaming forward.

All of the games you listed really brought something new to the table whereas The Order does nothing well outside of graphics.

Take GoW 3, for example. The first set piece really set the bar for all other hack and slash titles all within the first 20 minutes of the game. Also, I pulled out at least another 5-10 hours from the Challenge modes you forget to mention. Challenge of the Gods? Forget what it's called but it's in all God of Wars.

The QTE in GoW works for the franchise and is mostly used for bosses. You can just as easily kill a gorgon with regular attacks.

So scratch GoW off the list because it has more content than the Order and the QTE simply works better for the genre.

Uncharted released at the beginning of last gen over 8 years ago so it's laughable to compare it to a game released in 2015. There's challenged built into the game be it collectables or skill based. The levels were much more expansive and like s45gr32 said, the gameplay was really innovative at the time. Also, this game isn't built on cutscenes as most of the story unfolds through the gameplay.

So while the time to complete might be similar, the experience while in the game certainly is not....and it was 8 years ago which is what at least 3 of the reviews I've read said would be acceptable a generation ago. I'm sure if the Order came out in 2006 it would be game of the year like Gears.

As for your last example, it's a point and click title....not a tps. There's no point in even going down this road.

Author completly disregards a game where gameplay amounts to 3 hours at most vs unskippable cutscenes and compares it to games that have QTE's done right with way more gameplay. Gamers didn't like The Order because they wanted a game not a movie. Why is that so hard to grasp?

This is a flawed analogy. People didn't have a problem with The Order simply because it had cutscenes and QTEs. It was because of how excessive and intrusive they were to the overall gameplay experience. Games like God of War and Uncharted don't have nearly as many cutscenes and QTE's as the Order and The Walking Deads QTEs allow you to make choices that drastiscally affect the narrative. The Order is nothing like this.

Apologists for this game just keep focusing on the length, as if that's the main criticism. Sure, it's bought up in most review because it quite simply is a short game. But I haven't seen a single negative review that points to the game's brevity as the main issue. The game's length would have been the main negative if not for the half-bakes story and characters, the lack of world building, the large percentage of time that you spend doing literally nothing but walking around, and the uninspired gameplay and level design. Simply put: it's not a good game. That's why the review are bad. It's not just the length. If it had been 6 hours of great action and quality storytelling, the reviews would have been much better.

LOL standard apologist rhetoric. IF ONLY the length was actually ORDER 1886's major issue. If only! You just compared Uncharted? Except Uncharted actually had more gameplay, and variety. Uncharted helped shape what future adventure TPS games were going to be like.

It wasn't as refined as GEARS OF WAR at the time, but NOTHING on the PS2/XBOX played like uncharted/Ge0w. It was clearly a next gen experience, with new, inventive gameplay mechanics. And still longer than ORDER 1886 too.

ORDER 1886 is a bloody PS360/Old PC game, covered in high end paint. About as scripted and linear as Final Fight on the SNES, with hardly any variety, and mediocre TPS gameplay.

Not to forget that much better TPS games are on the PS360. Order1886 is about 8 years late to this party. Perhaps, if it was out when games like HEAVENLY SWORD & co. were tolerated, it would have fared better. 0RDER1886 doesn't do a single intuitive thing in its average as hell gameplay.

Next gen my bollocks.

Right now, it;s a dated, over-budgeted, overpriced mess, that should be called out for what it is. I'm glad shit like this is less tolerable nowadays.

Tell me again how the multiplatform strategy was supposed to fix everything. Look at your results and compare them to Nintendo, which keeps thriving with exclusives. Your loyal fans are gone. And let’s not forget the pile of IPs you purchased only to let them rot.

The worst thing is this is down from last years numbers/expectations which was down from the previous years numbers/expectations. You think about how long “down” has been a consistent part of the communication and you realize those subscriptions are what’s holding that boat together. The price cut of gamespass is still a price raise in a string of price raises. They are trying to use players to offset the missing revenue. Now call of duty is out of gamespass, which is literally WHY they bought the company. To draw people to the subscription. They realized they missed a boatload of money and that wasn’t sustainable. Now you pay for it like you would have if they never bought the company… so why buy the company? Mind you those billions still need to be paid back. Yeah it gives you a chance to say we make the biggest FPS… but the internal conversations must be brutal at high level on topics that really matter. Like revenue. Profitability. And ROI for the shopping spree.

Is this like the 10th quarter in a row they're down 33% on hardware how is that even mathematically possible. You would think their mediocrity would Plateau