nicksetzer1

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Is it Time the Agree/Disagree System Gets an Update?

Here on N4g there is a system that every user has used at least once. That system is the ability to vote on a comment, with either and "agree" or "disagree." This allows users to show the popular opinion among a sea of comments and helps dissuade abuse of said ability. Although, it is not a flawless system, and unfortunately many have lowered the integrity of the system.

The primary issue that has arisen is the abuse of the systems anonymity. Agree/Disagree votes (here on referred to simply as votes) allow users to place votes on comments without any need to account for their actions. Many users have taken this ability to an extreme and will base their votes on nothing but their own personal preference. This is to be expected, however, unlike comments they can use this system to promote incorrect or inflammatory comments without it reflecting upon that user in any way. The problem here is when users add agree votes to users who are clearly stirring up trouble, off-topic or any other form of unwanted behavior. They effectively can promote users to act and react in a way that the community dislikes, without any accountability for such actions.

What I propose is that the vote system adds a minor change, a change that removes this anonymity, the ability to view users who vote. It may be a bit difficult to implement, depending on the coding for the site's comment section, but one that I and many others would benefit from. I think, just as with comments, that users should be accountable for comments that they are promoting. One of the largest causes of "fanboy" behavior is the ability to hide your identity online.

In closing, I would like to point out other site's solutions, and their results. Firstly, we have IGN, they chose to remove down votes (their equivalent to a disagree) and it is semi-successful. It has removed the ability of users to dislike comments that are productive, on-topic and relevant. The issue is, it has not hindered the opposite spectrum. The only other solution I have seen, is practiced by a few, is to remove voting altogether. This has never effectively managed any of the issues as far as I could tell.

I would love to see N4G take a step in the direction of creating a more civil and less toxic environment. It would also give all users a fair chance at sharing their opinion without users blindly voting in a reactionary way. At least not without other being able to clearly see how users truly react.

cl19833856d ago

Things will be changing with the roll out of the new n4g , which is happening before the end of the year.

ISHU3856d ago

WHAAAAAAAAAAT??
A new N4G this year??

I can't wait to see how it looks like. Can you give us a sneak peek or give some info on how it will look like?

cl19833856d ago

I can tell you that the bubble system will be gone, and that it's a new web page that isn't the same as the current setup. However somethings we have stay and others go.

bixxel3852d ago

Board the hype train. Now.

WildArmed3855d ago

That's what you said last year :O

But yes, Bubbles are disappearing!

cl19833855d ago

I've always previously said between now and the year 2525.

MakinBaconXD3853d ago

I might get disagrees from saying this,but I have been on this site since 2011 and I still do not understand what is so important about bubbles? I guess it's because compared to some people here,I don't really comment that much,if you looked at my comment history you could tell most of mine are pretty much made days,weeks or even months apart from each other.

SteamPowered3854d ago

I had a Moderator tell me that last year.

cl19833854d ago

I never told you that though.

WildArmed3852d ago (Edited 3852d ago )

Neither did I :O

you can trust... nah :D Surprises are better :)

Rookie_Monster3854d ago (Edited 3854d ago )

Not just last year, but a new system was set to replace the current bubble system had already been preached and promised to go live like over 750 days ago, roughly 2 years went by and every year, it is the same old story and never a hint if is coming until someone brings it up in a blog or something.

Here is a similar blog by an old mod promising the new system would go up year's end 2 years ago and we are still waiting.
http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

Hope the third time is the charm because I am tired of the politics of being on the minority side and getting our voice shot down by the unfair bubble system due to the "You are either with us, or against us" attitude of many members here that belonged to one dominant side.

After examining many posts with how "trolling, off topic, etc" are marked and reported, there is no doubt the curent bubble system was used way more to bully people to shut up and agree with the dominant group than it was used to punish trolls.

Sorry for the long rant and post but I only have a single bubble so I got to say everything I wanted to say in one setting.

Nineball21123854d ago

Imagine how we feel. We are only telling you what we've been told. If you don't want to believe it, I understand, but there you have it.

WildArmed3852d ago

Just to be clear, we are kind of like the press.

We get info from the dev team, and we put it out.

Whenever we hear something, we like to share it when possible.

freshslicepizza3853d ago

is there a way to find out who the people are that are tracking you in my public profile? there should be an option to disable others from tracking you.

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annoyedgamer3855d ago (Edited 3855d ago )

I hope they don't remove downvotes. I believe it is too sterile, not a fan of the "feel good" solutions. It is akin to the safe space nonsense on progressive college campuses and the "disagreement hurts feelings" mantra.

It could, as you suggested, be removed completely but that takes some of the fun out off commenting. One of the big reasons we return to see our comments is to (for better or worse) count agrees and disagrees then lastly read replies which according to the bubble rank we may or may not be able to respond too.

The bubble system needs an overhaul since those that are popular get more chances to comment than those who are not.

HammadTheBeast3854d ago

Honestly, they should just rip off Reddit's comment system.

annoyedgamer3854d ago

Reddit has been taken over by a SJW, they are not going to have downvoting options much longer. There are virtual riots and a mass exodus from that site right now.

A popular Reddit alternative site crashed not to long ago due to their servers getting overloaded.

garrettbobbyferguson3854d ago

No! Any comment system that can censor someone for having a differing opinion is a bad comment system. You have to go out of your way to read comments on that website that have received X amount of downvotes, effectively censoring that comment from reaching any sort of discussion.

DefenderOfDoom23854d ago

Yeah , i like the agree ,disagree system the way it is now .

SteamPowered3854d ago

The bubble system is a mess. I see people get a bazillion 'Agrees', then get bubbled down for 'immature or trolling'.

Lord help you if you dont follow popular opinion on N4G...

cl19833854d ago

Whether a comment is agreed with our not doesn't change whether it's trolling, off topic, immature ect.

SteamPowered3854d ago

Depends if its a slight against Microsoft or Sony.

Sony=Trolling
Microsoft=Hilarious. Bubs +

tanukisuit3853d ago (Edited 3853d ago )

@ cl1983
Would it be possible prevent NEW users from commenting right away? Ever since E3, there's been way too many new accounts that just "bubble-suicide" with trolling/immature comments.

FlexLuger3854d ago

Just get rid of it. If people disagree with an opinion they should voice there reasons why and get it off their chests, as long as they are not immature about it. if anything it encourages response. the aggree/disagree things probably make some feel like they are more right than others, so I think it should go. Glad the bubble system is going too. Seen far too much abuse of it to be honest.

StormLegend3854d ago

I always try to say nothing but postive/good things and I only have 1 freaking bubble -_-

They need to give everyone more bubbles or get rid of it..

SilentNegotiator3854d ago (Edited 3854d ago )

If you're losing bubbles, look back at the comments that you lost them on and don't repeat the behavior. It's that simple.

Attacking users in an uncivilized manner? Lose a bubble.
Using bad language (Hey, if that's what N4G wants...)? Lose a bubble.
Immature comment? Lose a bubble.
Make an off topic remark? Lose a bubble.
Blatant trolling? Lose a bubble.

Make an interesting, well stated, intelligent, funny, or helpful comment that serves to improve the discussion at hand? Gain a bubble.

star_lancer3854d ago (Edited 3854d ago )

N4G would be a better place if what you said was true. Unfortunately, you really have to follow popular opinion, and favor one company over another, if you want to gain bubbles or avoid losing them.

I haven't been here very long, but I can see what comments are marked, and which users lose bubbles, and it's quite biased.

SilentNegotiator3854d ago

I've been here 5 and a half years. It is true.

pcz3854d ago (Edited 3854d ago )

the agree/disagree system is fine, but i think the bubble system is flawed.

i think people are more likely to bubble somebody down, then up. and i could bubble down every single person in this thread for absolutely no reason, if i wanted to. ie, its easy to troll the system. its easy to be trolled. somebody might be bubbling you down every single time they see your reply.

if there are 10x the amount of ps4 users than wiiu users, then anytime the two meet, the wiiu users are statistically going to be worse off. so what you get is a 'bubble ghetto', where just because you are a minority, you are at disadvantaged.

people simply say what they think people want to hear, instead of saying their true opinions, because they know any controversial comment will lose them bubbles. so you essentially have something akin to politicians who just say 'the right thing' all the time.

all the people with loads of bubbles kiss ass.

hey, i know i will get disagree votes, but hey, it only serves as an illustration proving everything i say is true

freshslicepizza3854d ago

it appears as though whatever the majority agrees with the better off you are. you can say the ps4 has no games and if a lot of people actually agree with that they will put down their agrees and perhaps bubble you up (or down). same thing with saying xbox gamers don't like indies. both comments are not intelligent and neither improves the discussions at hand but the members will still vote agree on it and bubble up and down without anyone knowing who did or didn't.

another issue is you have those who don't like certain members and will vote against you just out of spite no matter what you say.

i agree people should lose bubbles for being an ass but the bubble up system could be exploited if you just so happen to like that member regardless of the comment they make. when the community monitors itself you get into special treatment and favortism as well as unwarranted attacks and stealth trolling.

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