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If Microsoft left the gaming industry...

...would anything really happen?

Before crying "flamebait", try to remember how the market changed when the Dreamcast died and SEGA exited the market. In all honesty, not much changed (although SEGA was/is missed by many).

With Kinect as the final grasp of life for the 360 (disagree? Then where are all of Microsoft's studios churning out new games and new IPs?), rumors of the XBOX branch splitting, and several key execs either leaving the company or selling their stock like Balmer did, Microsoft's XBOX brand might not be around as long as we thought and hoped.

But think: what IPs does the 360 have that can't be done elsewhere? Former exclusives Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Ninja Gaiden can already be found on non-360 platforms. Someone else can easily buy RARE or Lionhead, and Bungie belongs to Activision now. Gears of War is EPIC's, Forza is Turn 10's, Left 4 Dead is Valve's, and Alan Wake is Remedy's. You'd be hard pressed to find many games actually made by Microsoft, and those IPs that Microsoft does own (Halo, Fable) could easily become multiplatform.

Impossible? Well, that's what SEGA fans said about many of the Dreamcast's exclusives, and now almost all of SEGA's biggest franchises are found on non-SEGA consoles.

RememberThe3575650d ago (Edited 5650d ago )

I'm not sure that means anything is wrong business wise. The rumor of a split was only a suggestion by Goldman Sachs ( http://www.crunchgear.com/2... ) and it was quickly shot down as a possibility ( http://www.brisbanetimes.co... )

The new IPs MS is putting out are for Kinect, they may not be for the average gamer but they are still new IPs.

Frankly all this talk about MS having problems is over blown, they are still making large amounts of money but their failure to have a strong presence in the mobile market has made investors cautious.

BTW MS owns Forza. Also the assumption that Halo and Fable could go multiplatform follows the assumption that MS would get out of the console business. And that goes for any of the IPs that the console makers own.

It is an interesting thought though.

Active Reload5649d ago

I think if MS left the gaming industry, the industry would be boring. I love the excitement that Xbox Live brings and the games that go along with it. If MS did leave though, I would probably become a pc gamer full time while studying up on C++ along with taking some art design classes.

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lex-10205646d ago

I don't see why He's getting disagrees. He just stated his opinion. He didn't attack anyone and wasn't trolling. He just gave his opinion.

smashman985645d ago

@lex
well if he can have an opinion then so can other ppl and clrly other ppl do not agree with his opinion itd be one thing if he had stated a fact and u defended him but he stated an opinion and u basically just said other ppl cant have their own opinions so just because i had a long and pain full day at work not only am i gonna disagree with what ever it was that u put but im also gonna hit that minus bubble button for some totally overly harsh and unfair reason :D yaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy!!!

m235649d ago

I think it would change the gaming industry for the worse. Competition drives companies to do better for the consumers. If it was just Sony, they would have control over the hardcore market while Nintendo would control the casual market. I don't even think Nintendo considers Microsoft and Sony competition right now.
The lack of competition will drive prices higher, quality may not be as great as it is either. I think when Microsoft entered the market, the video game industry really benefited. Not being a fanboy, I don't own a PS3, but I think every industry requires competition to grow and succeed.

wat6345649d ago

A heartwarming post. Good read, bubble+

-Alpha5649d ago (Edited 5649d ago )

I'll have to agree with this-- competition breeds excellence.

However, I have to say, with Sony, they delivered quality regardless of competition.

They owned last generation and they never rode on the money.

They had a lot of great first party exclusives. They also had tremendous third party support, but with a company that was so damn rich last gen you'd expect them to go on cruise control. I never felt that they did.

Sony built up a legacy, they owned studios, funded them, and helped them grow. I have a deep respect for them because of that. It's something I don't see MS do this generation.

So, to answer the question, I actually really don't think it would matter if MS left. I don't think it would damage Sony, anyway.

I think what Sony learned most from MS is reflected in PSN. MS really lead the way for online gaming on consoles and Sony has adapted quickly in MS's footsteps. Trophies, Home, buying Guerilla Games, etc. I doubt these would exist without MS.

Ironically MS also hinders Sony in some ways. They pretty much court-blocked Sony's in-game & Cross Chat features, hence why Sony doesn't do it. MS claimed rights to all of this to my knowledge.

Rage_S905648d ago (Edited 5648d ago )

alpha alpha alpha your intelligence turns me on lol :P

-no homo

Chris3995648d ago (Edited 5648d ago )

http://community.eu.playsta...

There's a good thread that has a link to the .pdf for the patent and some interesting discussions. You can't own the rights for something as wide-spread as communication via an electronic device. The patents apply specifically to communication across the 360 and Xbox family of devices. That, MS, can definitely protect via copyrights.

I think the real issue is that MS, being a software company, laid out the road-map for all the features of their OS - x-game chat, custom soundtracks - whereas Sony did not. So, as the memory footprint went down (around FW 2.4) Sony's engineers were able to free up the resources and retro-fit these these features into the OS, optionally, on new titles that developers chose to implement them on. Pretty sure that in another year or two, once the memory footprint is even more refined we'll see x-game chat and universal soundtracks on 90% of new PS3 games.

If the above postulation is indeed true (and that's mostly a semi-educated guess on my part), then "yes" MS has indeed been good for Sony this gen in helping them refine their online service and OS.

-Alpha5648d ago

Meant to say in-game Music.

And thanks for the link, Chris.

smashman985645d ago

"However, I have to say, with Sony, they delivered quality regardless of competition."

this little bit i dont agree with:

sony has always had competion in the game field
with ps1
there was the n64, and sega saturn
with ps2
there was dreamcast, xbox, and gamecube
and with ps3
u have the wii and 360

also the psp to the ds

but i believe sony has always strived to be leaps and bounds ahead of their competition
something that is only true because of competition jus my opinion tho i did find urs quite awesome
not only is the system the best bang for ur buck but its also of higher quality

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KageMonkey5648d ago

The problem is that Microsoft is not in the industry to "compete". Microsoft has every intention of using their Office/OS monopoly to invest whatever it takes to muscle-out the competition and become a monopoly in the game industry.

Look at the advertising budget for Kinect. Leveraging their monopoly and spending 500 million to mislead consumers into purchasing 10 years-old technology. Microsoft has never let their products do the talking. Instead, they make old and inferior technology (Zune, Kin, Bing, HD-DVD, Kinect), and use marketing in order to trick consumers into wasting money to make a profit.

Microsoft would never break-even with the amount they have spent on marketing and buying exclusives UNLESS they can secure a monopoly in the future. That is why they are heavily investing into their XBox business -- finding a way to drive out Sony and Nintendo in order to over-charge consumers while reducing R&D and innovation to recoup all the losses that has incurred since the XBox's inception.

In other words, if you are a consumer, you SHOULD NOT be supporting Microsoft in their endeavor to secure a monopoly in the game industry.

butterfinger5644d ago

You are absolutely %100 ignorant in terms of economics and business. The fact that you have so many agrees is a testament to the class of people we have on this site. Microsoft is not some big boogeyman out to gain a monopoly in the video games industry while poor Nintendo and Sony just try to look out for the consumers. Open your eyes! They are all fighting for market share, and they all have different strategies. Last time I checked, Microsoft had been making a profit on the XBOX360 for quite some time now. Is Sony still losing money on every PS3 sold? Literally almost everything you said was a lie. Kinect may be similar to eyetoy, but I guarantee of eyetoy worked as well as Kinect when it came out, Sony would've been pushing it a lot harder. Instead, Sony decided to follow exactly in Nintendo's footsteps to the point where Best Buy employees and reviewers are describing the Move as zWii HD. It's amazing how scared and paranoid you fanboys are. Wake up, get a life, and quit spreading FUD.

reckoner5642d ago

@butterfinger

You stole the words right out of my mouth. Sony isn't the hero in this story. Neither is Microsoft, nor Nintendo. They all have one thing in common: they want your money.

KageMonkey5641d ago (Edited 5641d ago )

butterfinger, I have been in the tech industry for 15 years dealing with business consultation, and have been dealing with Microsoft technology far longer than you have. It is ironic that you call me ignorant, when you are the one guilty of it. With my experience, I can credibly announce to everyone that you are absolutely WRONG.

You are the one that needs to open your eyes. It doesn't matter how many disagrees I get because those are the people who are completely IGNORANT, much like every that you have said.

It is not about being a "fanboy" of a particular company. In fact, I always tell everyone to support Apple, Nintendo, Google, Sony, etc equally. It is more about business integrity and what benefits consumers.

Microsoft DOES NOT compete fairly and makes use of numerous underhand tactics and any means necessary to drive out competition. Microsoft is absolutely DETRIMENTAL to technological innovation.

Go do some research on Microsoft's underhand business dealings. You want to talk about FUD, Microsoft invented the word. Look up SCO's case against Linux which was FUD spread by Microsoft. Look up Microsoft tying IE into the OS in order to secure a browser monopoly which lead to numerous security risks to the user, and at the same time, providing no innovations. Look up how Microsoft BOUGHT OUT ISO in order to pass the inferior OOXML as a starndard.

You are the one that needs to wake up. Google, Sony, Nintendo, and Apple are all companies that pride themselves in providing quality and innovative products. Contrarily, looking at Microsoft's recent history of Zune, Bing, Kin, HD-DVD and Kinect, it is obvious that Microsoft makes inferior products and then proceed to use deceptive marketing in order to trick consumers into buying the poorly-implemented technology.

You should go back to school, learn about how hardware and software works, learn some logic and actually do some research before you talk.

butterfinger5640d ago

LMAO, KageMonkey.

First of all, you prove your ignorance by assuming that you have more knowledge of the tech industry than I do, when in fact you have no idea what I do for a living, how old I am, or what knowledge I possess. That being said, you showed absolutely NO evidence of any supposed inside knowledge into the industry. You come off as a butthurt fanboy that is completely paranoid about big, bad Microsoft. Microsoft is the only tech (mainly software actually) company that has used underhanded tactics to gain a leg up? You are fucking kidding me! The magical corporate world you live in where everyone "prides themselves on innovation and quality" except Microsoft, is absolutely absurd. You are as blind as they come. I never once argued that Microsoft was a good, upstanding company that is better than all the rest, but you have in fact tried to villify them, when they are not very different from any of the others. Sony has done some unbelievably obscene things over time, and they aren't even THAT innovative anymore. Google comes up with some of the most mundane innovations that are rarely exciting these days, and Apple is impressing no one but the sheeple. Get a damn grip on reality, kid. Just so you know, I have absolutely 0 faith in your credibility, but if you have been in the "tech field" that could mean pretty much anything. You could just be some douche that worked at Comp USA. lol.

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MrMccormo5647d ago

Competition breeds excellence. That is true, but I'm tired of people using that phrase in the gaming industry and assuming more console makers = more competition = more excellence. Is Microsoft REALLY competing? When they see PSN's free features approaching XBox Live, do they lower the price or add major features? Has Microsoft's habit of buying timed DLC and timed exclusives added any healthy competition that benefits gamers? Is Microsoft buying up studios and churning out new IPs to compete with Sony's and Nintendo's exclusives? If Microsoft was actually being competitive, yeah, "competition breeds excellence" and all that jazz.

The only "competition" I've seen Microsoft do this gen is how XBox Live pushed PSN to improve and also how Kinect will add some competition to the motion control arena. Other than that, MS has been extremely agressive with anti-competitive market controls tactics.

butterfinger5640d ago

Microsoft is definitely competing. Are you joking? Microsoft has absolutely proved themselves as a real competitor this gen, and they have stolen market share from Sony that they may never get back. ALSO, why the hell do you assume that in order to compete, these companies have to have the same strategies? Microsoft doesn't have to do every little thing that Sony does in order to be directly competing. It's depressing to see that 13 other morons agree with you. Microsoft seems more prepared to compete in this current market than Sony does. I will definitely say that I appreciate Sony's strategy of pushing the current console tech more than I like Microsoft's strategy of buying up rights to different titles and marketing like crazy, but it seems like almost everyone on this site looks through fanboy goggles.

EskiJoe5640d ago

I don't think he questions if MS is competing, but rather if the competition brings more excellence.

You are right, MS have stolen market share but have any of those stolen market share produced 'more excellence'? as in: new games/studios

From my understanding of MrMccormo is that: 'more competition = more excellence' is not always the case. As it is seen with MS.

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-Alpha5649d ago (Edited 5649d ago )

"Bungie belongs to Activision now. Gears of War is EPIC's, Forza is Turn 10's, Left 4 Dead is Valve's, and Alan Wake is Remedy"

Well by this logic, Uncharted belongs to Naughty Dog, Killzone to GG, etc.

Publishing rights are still MS's and they "own" them, and I figure that if MS left they can still go third party.

You can't just wish for someone to leave just because they don't support YOUR philosophy. By this thinking everybody would want Nintendo to leave too. The fact of the matter is that their are many audiences that enjoy Xbox and Nintendo. Gaming isn't excluded to your tastes. It has a wide array of fans

MS is definitely in a slowdown period, but I don't see why they should leave. Competition is good. I doubt without MS we would see Killzone picked up by Sony or other shooters that have had influences from MS-related products. We wouldn't see Trophies, PSN features like Cross Chat (which is surely coming), Home, etc.

While I do hate the focus towards Kinect, MS has succeeded a lot this gen and they have a strong hardcore audience that will continue to support them. They had a tremendous start this gen with their games and they really bit into Sony's market. Sadly MS has slowed down tremendously. They really did come off as a "Gamer" console, but now they are much more "Family" oriented, and it's troubling to see.

I wish to see MS get better, but they really do lack the studios. I am against MS's philosophy with the industry and I hope it changes, currently I don't support their direction. Would I want MS to leave? I don't think it would matter much to me if they do. They are pretty irrelevant to me at the moment. But they matter to a lot of others.

What I do want is Sony to give them a run for their money. It's the only way for them to get a wake up call. My issue with MS is the lack of heart they have for supporting studios.

Personally I'd love to see Sega back and MS out, but that'll never happen

xXxSeTTriPxXx5649d ago (Edited 5649d ago )

sorry i meant to hit the agree, because i agree with you 100%.you could've made an article out of your comment.

bubbles.

Godmars2905649d ago

MS is in the position they're in because of an inability to develop their own IPs - Halo and Gears were "bought" in - or foster 1st party devs. Their focus of promotion to a level they sacrificed quality. This after two console generations.

Sega's not coming back. The 360 and PS3 have taken the idea of what a game console is too far for them to jump back in. Especially considering their current state where they can't make a Sonic title for trying. If anyone is coming to occupy the space MS leaves behind, my bet is on EA or Activision backed if not outright bought out by Apple.

-Alpha5649d ago

I'm not sure how it works but I assume once you are under the wing of the publisher you play by their rules. Halo CE was probably bought in depending on when MS got Bungie and how far the game was coming, though you are probably right. But then Killzone was also bought in, and Sony picked them up after that, did they not?

"MS" nor "Sony" create new IPs, their studios do. But both control how the game develops. To my knowledge Sony supports their guys really well and gives them total freedom. This is backed up by David Jaffe.

I know Sega isn't coming back, but I'm one of those Sega Dreamers

ReBurn5643d ago

Halo wasn't purchased in the form that it was ultimately released in. If you'll remember, Godmars, Halo was first touted by Steve Jobs as a simultaneous Mac and PC release. At the time it was a third-person action game. When Microsoft bought Bungie, the game's engine was re-written and it became a first-person game.

Halo and Gears have not been the only worthwhile first-party IP's ever released by Microsoft. I'm not a fan of either, but I've still had some very nice exclusive experiences on the 360.

If Microsoft left the industry all it would do is hurt consumer choice. What incentive is there for Sony to cater to gamers if there's nobody that can take them away?

JayDee10035648d ago

"Bungie belongs to Activision now. Gears of War is EPIC's, Forza is Turn 10's, Left 4 Dead is Valve's, and Alan Wake is Remedy

Well by this logic, Uncharted belongs to Naughty Dog, Killzone to GG, etc. "

UR WRONG! the difference that u have clearly not acknowledged here is that naughty dog, Guerrilla Games and other studios that make ps3 exclusives BELONGS to SONY! However, Epic studios does not belong to microsoft they are independent which means they can create games on other platforms unlike naughty dog. Valve is in that same situation. Most known xbox exclusives can become multi-platform at any time. They are ot exclusives because they cannot be made on the ps3. The reason is because microsoft paid sutdios like EPIC extra money to make it only on xbox 360. SONY does not do this. They buy studios which prevents them from making multi-platform games. Microsoft needs to start buying studios in order to secure their exclusives or else the xbox WILL DIE. Kinect is the only thing holding it alive by a thread. All xbox has to offer for next year is gears of war 3, kingdoms, xcom... every one of those games can easily be made on the ps3. Mass Effect 2 is coming to ps3 and so is Mass Effect 3. Valve also announced Left 4 dead series coming to ps3. Now all we have to wait for is more 360 eclusives making their way to ps3 which will happen one day. Games like god of war 3, uncharted 2, little big planet 1 and 2, modnation racer, killzone 2 & 3, all are too powerful and cannot be made on the 360 even if they weren't owned by sony.

-Alpha5648d ago

Yeah, my mistake, sorry.

PostApocalyptic5646d ago (Edited 5646d ago )

Jaiidee,

The "Disagrees" you are getting for your comment isn't because your reply to Alpha-Male22 is incorrect, but rather because butthurt xbots don't like hearing the truth. I was going to write a reply to Alpha on the difference between a MS limited first party agreement vs a Sony subsidiary. Bungie used to be a subsidiary of MS, who tried tried to make them an in-house developer (relocate), yet Bungie resisted. And after a few years of dealing with MS's draconian management Bungie finally had enough and ran away screaming from MS. Microsoft really is a vile company. They have a particular culture that is based in pure profit first regardless of the tech. It's not about the means, but the end. They don't care how they do it, just as long as that's the main goal. Sony goal is quality first, then profit (risker). This is why sometimes they lose a lot of money initially on research and development (integrated chips, circuitry, optical, and other new technologies). Microsoft always looks short-term because they depend on image and marketing (or lack thereof) to give their products merit.

You said that Microsoft needs to start buying studios or they will die. Well, that's the problem, Microsoft tried doing that back in 2003-2004 before the 360 was released in order to prevent those developers from making games for Sony. Most of those 3rd party developers told MS to go fly a kite. And the companies that were assimilated died or withered on the vine. Software companies that get bought by MS end up getting their creativity (what little they had) strangled by the corporate dictator that MS embodies. Again, just read about the behind the scenes with Bungie. They hated working under MS's filthy thumb.

Sony's goal was always the same regardless of what MS was doing. And that was their grand 10 year vision for the PS3. And little by little that dream is coming true for Sony and PS3 fans regardless of all the chattering and bantering from MS and their fanboys about how Sony was "doomed" or "going out of business."

I agree with you that Kinect is the only thing holding the 360 up by a thread. But, again, MS is relying on the ignorant soccer mom's to buy into this premature and flawed technology long enough to get some traction. But this will fail because the cost, practical requirements and investments that MS is placing on this consumers...all the while hoping that it will mimic what the Wii was able to do minus any of those barrier of cost or requirements and time for the tech to catch up.

I was here on N4G back in 2005 - 2007 and the amount of lies being spread by MS fanboys was pathetic. And now look how the tables have turned. Karma is a bitch!

Ahasverus5645d ago

Naughthy dog has a contract with Sont, like Bungie had with MS, they could give us a $urpri$e some day...

PostApocalyptic5645d ago

Naughty Dog, Inc. is an American video game developer based in Santa Monica, California.

Founded by Andy Gavin and Jason Rubin in 1986 as an independent developer, the studio was acquired by Sony Computer Entertainment in 2001.

So, any separation depends on whether, historically, Sony has been a better partent company vs MS. Taking bets. Bungie actually renegotiated their independence because MS wanted them to do just "Halo" for the next 10 years.

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sdtarm5648d ago

not really cuz after all those IPs yes belong to that studio but he studio belongs to sony in the end, unlike with M$, basically everything GG or ND creates new IP or not will come for PS3 only, Turn 10 can easily make a deal with activision and make a new IP multiplat

Schobeleth5643d ago

The thing is, Sony owns all of their first and second party studios. They therefore own their IPs. The difference between the exclusives seen on the 360 and or PC is that Microsoft doesn't own any of those studios, they only own the publishing rights. A new entry could easily be seen on multiple consoles, much like how Insomniac games signed that multiplatform deal with (EA, I think?) for a new game, while their previous IPs (that Sony owns the publishing rights to) stay on the PS3.

The key difference is if they outright own the studio or not, something Sony and Nintendo definitely have intelligently built upon over the years while Microsoft has mostly spent money on advertising and securing timed third part exclusive deals.

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beast242tru5649d ago

well i aint sure if microsoft out of consoles xbox brand is pretty strong and they gat money to blow oh oh oh oh oh oh

Redlogic5643d ago

wow dude, grammar...learn it

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