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How Xbox Fanboys Are Apologists and How It's Bad For The Industry

Every system has fanboys. In fact, everything on planet earth that involves competition has it's own set of fanboys attached to it and in my opinion that's fine. But in a way, it almost seems natural for people to defend what they're passionate about. It might be a game console, a sports team, a car manufacter, a movie, phone or even a computer. But what's not natural is fanboys or fans constantly accepting and defending their particular objects mis-steps with a smile on their face. Xbox fanboys seem to happily take this to another level.

KINECT
Kinect sucks, period. We ALL know it. If the general public had the chance to buy a Kinectless version of the Xbox One for $399, they would buy it over a $499 version w/ Kinect. It's ok for the first few times, but motion technology is just not there yet. But the way Xbox fanboys go on about it, you'd think it was a god send. The reality, it's not. It barely works. Look no further than "The Fighter Within", 4 years later, it still doesn't even remotely work. Even the Xbox UI is a complete mess because of it. They constantly tell people things like "You're just not using it properly" or "You have to get use to it". Why should someone have to train their self to use an operating system? Shouldn't the goal be making it effortless? You shouldn't have to TRY, to play a game or use an operating system, it should just feel natural. When I put a controller in my hands and play a new game I don't have try to play it, I just do. This is the problem with Kinect, you can't just use it, therefore it doesn't really work or do its job properly. Since the introduction of Kinect for the 360, the 360 has had 12 exclusive non Kinect games released for the 360, Xbox fanboys don't seem to have a problem with this.
http://forums.digitalwarfar...
Maybe, instead of acting like something that doesn't work, does, you should be demanding a better product that would like to buy versus being forced to this time around.

DRM
Where can I start... Well, Xbox fanboys acting like DRM was a great idea the way Microsoft was doing it, makes me and most of the gaming community sick. Honestly their attempt at this move was in all reality based on how complacent Xbox fanboys have become, they knew Xbox fanboys would sit back and let it happen, defending it every inch of the way. Fortunately for you and us, the rest of the gaming community stepped in and said what Xbox fanboys have been trained not to "No, I'm not supporting that". If no one stepped in, this could have been a complete disaster. To all the Xbox fanboys that stepped up and everyone in general, I commend you, you did the right thing. The apologetic mindstate of the Xbox fanboy is dangerous for the entire industry, not just the Microsoft platforms and no example can convey that better than this example.

RESOLUTION
Xbox fanboys move the "goal posts" when ever they can regarding resolution issues or strengths regarding Microsoft platforms, resolution is a perfect example. The 360 was known for having superior multiplatforms games, due to the complexities of early development on the PS3. Xbox fanboys would brag about games having more grass, 40p higher resolution, better lighting and all sorts of development advantages the 360 had over the PS3. The same Xbox fanboys, were unable to see the difference between HD-DVD and BR. Now fast forward to 2013 the big multiplats are running at anywhere between 180p and 360p higher on the PS4 than the Xbox One (with a more stable frame rate) and now "Graphics don't matter, it's about gameplay" is a common phrase you here on any forum where resolutions come up for discussion. I've even heard "720p looks crisper" come out of peoples mouths, which is nothing short of laughable consider how big of deal it was for the Xbox fanboys during the lifecycle of the 360. The reality of the Xbox One resolution issues goes back to Kinect, the Xbox One is $499 because of it. You allowed Kinect, they gave Kinect, not a system capable of competing graphically with the PS4.

PAYWALLS
Almost everything on the Xbox One is hidden behind a paywall and that paywalls name is Xbox Live. If you mention this to an Xbox fanboy you'll probably recieve this answer. "Who has an Xbox without XBL?". The answer. Alot of people who live in rural areas, countries with little to no internet access and people who don't game online who only play single player games. The funny thing is Adam Orth was the perfect representation of an Xbox fanboy. Inconciderate and dismissive. You should NOT have to pay to use your Netflix, Skype and Internet Explorer if you don't like play games online. But you guys just keep doing it and not really saying anything about it. Again the complacent mind of an Xbox fanboy again proved to be dangerous for everyone else, as you being 'ok' with this spawned the idea of locking down your system with DRM. This is NOT 'ok' and you guys should be doing something about it.
http://n4g.com/news/1338295...

FAILURE RATES
From wet towels to burnt down houses, there are 360 users who have went through 8 360s. 8 360s. I would never allow myself to go through 8 PS3s. How many do you have to go through before you stop? What kind of message does this send to the manufacture? The Xbox One had a rumored disc drive manufacturing problem from a Foxconn employee and guess what happened? The Xbox One released with a disc drive thats eating discs. Why? Because you'll buy go through 8 of them if you have to, to get one that works. The Xbox One is smoking, leaking fluids and having a slew of problems that aren't normal hardware problems. Why? Because you'll go through 8 of them if you have to, to get one that works or until Microsoft is forced to make ones that work. "You buy crap, you'll get crap" sums this up perfectly.

LYING
Microsoft lies. Sorry, Microsoft lies alot. From Major Nelson flippin switches to Albert Penello getting Microsoft employees embarrassed on Neogaf. Microsoft seems incapable of telling the truth. They mislead people about the cloud, the specs and even dedicated servers. One game on Xbox One uses dedicated servers and thats Forza 5. According to Xbox fanboys, none of this stuff is a big deal. They run Titanfall on the PC with a Xbox One controller, it's not a big deal. They have lied about resolutions, not being aware of smoking consoles and more. Really, why should they stop? I guess we'll just have to wait for the truth to come out. Right? Right.

SUMMARY
Enjoy what ever console you want, but that doesn't mean you have to accept everything they do. Corporations of any kind will push you as far as you can be pushed. Sometimes you need to push back. When it comes to profit margins things can get out of control quickly, what you will accept is what they will offer. Xbox Fanboys, you need to raise your standards and demand a little respect from Microsoft. As of right now, they have none. Which is your own fault.

dedicatedtogamers4524d ago (Edited 4524d ago )

IMO, I'd replace <Xbox fanboy> with <PR kool-aid drinker>. The kool-aid drinkers exist on all platforms, but right now they're the most common with the XBox brand. The kool-aid drinkers were congregated around the PS3 back in 2005-2006.

People who drink the PR kool-aid are annoying no matter what platform they support. To be honest, I get more annoyed by people who worship Steam yet turn around and complained about the Xbox One DRM (Steam is even worse...) But that's because they drink the kool-aid. It's annoying because if you're not drinking the kool-aid, you can see right through the PR lies (like you've pointed out in this blog) but the fanboys just keep slurping it up. Worse yet, they get mad at you if you don't believe the lies, too. That makes you an "<insert competing console> fanboy" in their eyes. Because WHO could hate their precious console? Oh, the only people who could hate it MUST be fanboys from the OTHER console. That's how deluded these people are.

Don't be loyal to a brand. Just play good games. If Xbox has the games you want, hurray! That's wonderful. But it doesn't do you any favors to drink the kool-aid...

LtSkittles4524d ago

Steam isn't DRM, Steam is a marketplace to sell games from multiple publishers. The DRM that gets on any game that's on Steam is the publisher's DRM, this includes uplay, Games for windows etc, etc but Valve doesn't implement any drm. Yeah, once you install a game, you can't install that game on another account, but that works for any platform like PSN, or XBL.

If you were to log in to your steam account on another computer though you can install, pretty much all of your games, so I don't know why that'd be a problem.

dedicatedtogamers4524d ago

Steam isn't DRM?

Cut off your internet connection for a week. Go ahead. Do it. After a while, those friendly little "Start Steam in Offline Mode?" reminders will turn into "Steam cannot access the Key Server"

Steam is DRM, it's just a kinder, gentler DRM because of all the sales.

LtSkittles4524d ago (Edited 4524d ago )

Turn on steam while connected to the internet, and then turn make it so it goes into offline mode, then you access offline mode. Then use steam while offline.

Bladesfist4524d ago

if Steam is DRM then so is Xbox live and PSN. It is just a license attached to your account which is done for digital games on all three of these platforms. Valve are working on a new licensing system that should fix the offline mode not being infinite for some people.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013...

dedicatedtogamers4524d ago

@ LtSkittles

Steam does not stay in offline mode forever. Believe me, I know. I live out in the country and when I first moved out here I didn't have internet for a while. I did everything "proper" and got my Steam account set up for offline mode (downloaded patches, updated games, then went into offline mode). It worked fine for about 10 days and then suddenly I began to get a "Steam cannot access the Key Server" warning and "Please connect your Steam account to the internet" warning. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

And yes, Bladesfist, any digital content has DRM on it with the exception of some PC game sources (like GoG.com or backing a DRM-free game on Kickstarter). It's still DRM, plain and simple.

SilentNegotiator4523d ago (Edited 4523d ago )

When I built my system, I hooked it up wired for just a day to DL some files, including Steam games. Worked for what I believe was a week, then demanded I sign in, but I hadn't gotten my wifi card yet.

It definitely DOESN'T stay in offline mode forever.

It's not a mystery. If you don't believe dedicatedtogamers, learn to use Google.

LtSkittles4523d ago

"When I built my system, I hooked it up wired for just a day to DL some files, including Steam games. Worked for what I believe was a week, then demanded I sign in, but I hadn't gotten my wifi card yet.

It definitely DOESN'T stay in offline mode forever."

No, not was getting at, there are ways to set it up so you don't have to log in.

You can google that too.

SilentNegotiator4523d ago (Edited 4523d ago )

If the solution is "fix it by connecting online to disconnect to online", then we have DRM.

dedicatedtogamers4523d ago (Edited 4523d ago )

@ LtSkittles

I am aware that there are workarounds. But for many, those workarounds simply do not work. Steam itself is DRM because it will block you from playing a game if you don't log into Steam for a while.

In some instances, yes, the DRM is implemented by the publisher. However, I have games like Don't Starve, Shadowrun Returns, SysShock2, and FTL that are completely 100% DRM-free from other sources (like GOG.com) and yet if I try to use my Steam version of that game in offline mode, it will ask me for a key.

The best example, actually, is Witcher 2 which is totally DRM free on GOG.com yet on Steam it will not allow you to play the game after about a week of being offline from the Steam servers.

LtSkittles4523d ago

I just booted steam up in offline mode, and started Don't Starve, and it worked. So I don't know what the issue is.

starchild4523d ago

@LtSkittles

You're not listening to what he's saying. I'm a big PC gamer (check my comment history), but it's true that Steam will not work indefinitely in offline mode. It's one of the things I hate most about Steam.

Of course, you can start Steam in offline mode if you have recently been connected and it will work just fine, but after a while it will no longer work.

I love a million things about PC gaming, but Steam DRM is not one of them.

ThanatosDMC4520d ago

Ummm... pretend pc gamer, you do know you could still laumch those games via the steamapps folder, right. Doesnt matter how long you've been offline as long the files are intact. Wtf are you talking about? Stop spreading fud about steam when you dont know crap.

Bobby Kotex4520d ago

LOL The whole point of steam besides making money is DRM. Why don't you try to take those game files and run them without steam.

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TwistingWords4524d ago (Edited 4524d ago )

Dedicatedtogamers must have very rotten teeth for drinking too much kool-aid then.

Every other comment you are banging some form of PR drum.

starchild4523d ago

Yeah, it's weird. My memory of him was of a huge Sony fanboy. Maybe I'm mistaking him for somebody else or maybe he changed.

MightyNoX4524d ago

I note you haven't replied to Ltskittles and Bladefist.

Pwnage? Pwnage.

Christopher4524d ago (Edited 4524d ago )

Going to have to agree with dedicated here, Steam is DRM.

1. You can't access any game without installing Steam (a la UPlay and Origin).

2. Even in offline mode, Steam will work only for so long and will require an eventual check against its database for game keys. I have tested and confirmed this myself.

That doesn't make Steam bad, but it is DRM by definition. Call it a bi-monthly check-in DRM if you need, but it's there. If the PS4 or Xbox One required this sort of check-in, the community would be throwing a fit right now.

nypifisel4520d ago

Steam uses DRM sure. It's hardly intrusive and as platform built for digital games one could assume a user would have internet. The same thing can not be said by a console. Steam is also acceptable due to there being options outside of Steam, console marketplaces are monopolies. Everyone should simply stop ever comparing Steam to any potential console DRM, cause it will never be the same.

cyguration4521d ago

Hey dude, the STeam Offline mode not working properly is a glitch. There are many articles about it.

Valve fixed it so now Steam works in offline mode indefinitely. You should try it again sometime. Offline mode used to be shoddy and crappy but they've fixed it up proper.

NewZealander4514d ago

Maria queen of trolls spouting her fangirl bs again, a true gamer embraces each consoles differences, but all this girl can do is be negative, people like her bring the true gaming community down.

i own and love my ps3 but how she can slag off one console without admitting the other also has a downside is beyond me.

maria how do you justify things like ps3's removal of ackward compatibility just so they could make $ selling you the same game avain? Or sixaxes that wasnt supported? Or the hacked psn that was down for a month or so? Or ps eye that devs dont even bother with? Or ps3 updates that take forever to download, and then you have to install! Or its slow clunky UI and terrible home and avitar system?

see i could go on forever like this clown, but im not a fanatical troll with no day job like maria, i love all my consoles, i see the good and the not so good in all of them, and i love games, obviously maria isnt a gamer, shes a troll on a mission to turn the world pro sony.

Pogmathoin4507d ago

This is a brilliant blog. Really highlights the blogger as the worst kind of fanboy ever. So much bitterness, must be horrible to be this person.

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Pillsbury14524d ago

I figured out microsofts tactics years ago and sold my 360 vowing not to touch anything Microsoft.

zeal0us4524d ago

Out of curiosity are you using Ubuntu or variant of Mac OS X?

Pillsbury14524d ago (Edited 4524d ago )

I have an iphone 5, ipad mini and MacBook Air.

starchild4523d ago

Haha Apple's tactics are a hundred times worse. People like you crack me up. You have this unnatural and ridiculously extreme hatred for Microsoft to the point where you buy inferior, overpriced products that lock you in with all kinds of controls and DRM and you think you did something good.

Pillsbury14522d ago (Edited 4522d ago )

I don't think I did something good, apples ecosystem is by far the best I have experienced. I've had androids and I have had windows. I came to realize there are much better products with vastly superior interfaces and stability. As far as price is concerned, you get what you pay for.

Ravenor4524d ago

I don't think it's fair to use the Ubisoft Kinect fighting game as your "Well clearly Kinect 2 sucks." It's a launch title and Ubisoft hasn't been known to have a great grasp on the Kinect. I'd agree a kinectless version would be great and probably would be the option I would have chosen. But I don't particularly care either, so it's no real bother.

Can't speak about failure rates, mines been running fine and even though I held my breath the first time I stuck a disk inside of it I'm pretty confident this thing will be better than launch 360's. I went through my fair share of Xbox, my launch 360 lasted 2 and a half years. My second Xbox 360 lasted a day, it was incredibly random how the 360 died. Though I've had more than one PS3 die and my current PS3 is sounding pretty haggard, the fan sounds rough and the disk drive is having issues taking disks and ejecting them. Electronics aren't simple products and the complexity of consoles isn't something super simple to nail down.

In years past I was generally shouted down or called an enabler for not having a huge issue with Xbox Live. Now, when I buy a PS4 in a week or two I'll have to also pay for PS+ to access the multiplayer. On the PS3 I never had huge issues with the free PSN service already offered, I preferred XBL but never had huge issues on the PS3. Why was this change generally accepted without question by those who at one time vehemently denied the necessity of XBL? It's pretty clear imo.

Maybe it's just because I buy everything, and I'm in a fairly unique position of not feeling attachment to either console. The ridiculously overly attached are a problem on both sides, the idea that everything either platform holder or publisher has done is in your best interest at all times is naive. Whether it's either accepting everything a platform holder tells you, or being a cheerleader with a bad case of being deaf and blind to all things you don't want to accept.

Gazondaily4524d ago (Edited 4524d ago )

Has anyone here actually considered that....the Xbox One...might actually be a decent console? I'm constantly referred to as the Xbox Defender here but then its the usual suspects (hi Maria, Dedicated and others) that are the ones brandishing pitchforks.

"Kinect sucks, period"

Opinions mate...opinions. I actually like what MS are doing with Kinect and whilst its not perfect I want to see what the tech will be utilised for the in future. Why would I want a weaker PS4? I'm glad MS took the plunge with the tech and hope they remain committed to it.

"Resolution"

Yes it matters and people shouldn't downplay it, especially when a multiplat runs on a far superior resolution on the PS4. But, gameplay matters too and look at Titanfall for proof. It's hardly next-gen looking and most likely won't run at 720p on X1? Does it matter? Well not really when the game is so much fun to play.

BUT, its not the be all and end all as many on here keep propagating. You want the superior version of multiplats then you can always go for PC. Playing BF4 on my PS4 and BF3 on my PC, the latter game absolutely destroys the PS4 (and I paid £400 for my PC- and this was 2 years ago...it will be cheaper now).

"PAYWALLS "

Yeah completely silly in my opinion. Whilst, realistically, you'll have XBL (and PS+) now, the main paywall was always the access to MP. It sucks, don't get me wrong but it doesn't affect me or many others here. I bet the OP has PS + (and would have even if it was required for MP without the added incentive for games).

I would actually add to this and add the 'Rewards' scheme and compare it to PS +. THAT is a joke. Xbox Live Rewards are just terrible. PS Plus wipes the floor with it easily. THIS is something more Xbox fans need to voice- the value for money for live.

HARDWARE PROBLEMS

" The Xbox One is smoking, leaking fluids and having a slew of problems that aren't normal hardware problems. "

Hold your horses there. Just because a handful of people are having trouble doesn't mean you blow this out of proportion. I know this is N4G and hating on MS is cool but I have to draw attention to the complete utter double standards of people on here (both Sony and Xbox fans) and also the usual culprits like websites such as spawnfirst propagating so-called news recycled from Neogaf that are isolated incidents. Leaking fluid from two reports now equates to the whole console having a problem?

No, this is just wishful thinking on the part of many on here who relish at these isolated incidents.

Lying

Give it time. I wouldn't say they were lying with the resolution debate and I would say give dedicated servers time. Why? Because prima facie, the Azure system wipes the floor with any network setup Sony has anyway.

The online works extremely smoothly with the X1 and playing on the PS4, and things like Resogun online, it feels decidedly dated with loads of instances of lag whereas KI, which apparently isn't using dedicated servers, runs incredibly smoothly.

I think the term Xbox Apologists is silly. I just think those PlayStation 'gamers' who are so content and sure about the superior nature of their console should just shut up and play their console of choice. Is it really that hard? Why concern yourself regarding a console that you NEVER intended to purchase anyway?

There is such a thing as constructive criticism. This b.s propaganda however, isn't helping anyone and only serves to fan the fanboy flames.

Athonline4524d ago

Well said. System wars unfortunately is a popular topic in blogs and webpages, it sells. It is part of our evolutionary behaviour to try and justify our actions, i.e. our purchases and "enforce" ourselves over others. People who can't afford something usually bash it or if they have to make a choice, they bash the other choices. You see this in smartphones, consoles, cars, etc etc.

Both consoles are capable of good-looking games. PS4 at the moment is the de-facto winner in multiplats (after PC ofc). However people like to play Halo, Fable and other MS exclusives. As you can't play these on a PC nor a PS4, they buy an XBox. This is called having a choice. If you are smart enough, regardless of the system of YOUR choice, you should WANT having OPTIONS. Competition helps innovation, drives price cuts, bundles, etc.

MadLad4524d ago

Very well said, my friend.

christocolus4524d ago (Edited 4524d ago )

@septic

God bless you real good my man. I also felt the article was so opinionated and filled with so much bias. The guy calls out xbx fanboys apologists but sonyfans have taken the fanboy wars to a whole new level even going as far as causing toys r us to pull down a video cause it showed the xbx one in a positive light.

Lying, failure rate, paywall, drm,resolution and my best kinect sucks..lol.is the writer for real? Its funny cos my friends and i are enjoying the console. i enjoy navigating the ui with kinect, kinect sports pre-season is a blast. Looking forward to d4 and the other great things devs can do with it.

I get it some gamers prefer one console to the other. Thats fine but dont insult others cos they do not buy your idea....enjoy your console of choice.

Z5014524d ago

"i enjoy navigating the ui with kinect, kinect sports pre-season is a blast. Looking forward to d4"

How come no one ever mentions Kinect games? More precisely. Kinect games they are currently playing(360 and X1). The console comes with Kinect 2.0. Yet, where are the Kinect 2.0 games?

"You are the controller"
"Better with Kinect"

http://gizmodo.com/185214/i...

Bought this the day Spider-Man came out on DVD (2002) Wasn't a big deal then. not a big deal now. No one cared.

What about the games though?

nukeitall4524d ago

Yup, Maria is constantly beating on the drum and hating on the Xbox One. He/she already tries to constantly submit negative articles about Xbox One written by, you know it Maria from that spawn first site. Then Maria goes on here and further writes more hatred on the blog.

Point being, if you listen to Maria, then you will not hear about how about 1 in a 100 PS4 consoles are defective out of the box and dead on arrival, but you will hear about the one unconfirmed person that has liquid coming out of his console out of the at least two millions sold so far.

Each console has it's positives, including the Wii U. The Xbox One and PS4 is so similar, I might just get a Wii U instead of a second similar console first.

DragonKnight4524d ago

@nuke: "Point being, if you listen to Maria, then you will not hear about how about 1 in a 100 PS4 consoles are defective out of the box and dead on arrival."

Countering what you believe to be B.S. with more B.S. will only leave you covered in it.

Outside_ofthe_Box4523d ago

***"you will not hear about how about 1 in a 100 PS4 consoles are defective out of the box and dead on arrival"***

You will never hear about that in particular because that is a LIE. You keep on saying it as if it is a fact... I wonder why?

ziggurcat4523d ago

"1 in a 100 PS4 consoles are defective out of the box"

please, i implore you to post actual proof of this "fact."

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Convas4524d ago

For MariaHelFutura and some of the other loyalists on here, it's not enough to simply have a stronger console. No, the opposition must burn and be ejected as well.

I lost count of how many times "Xbox Fanboys" was mentioned, and then the diatribe on hardware issues that are EXTREMELY limited ATM ... it's too much.

But we're familiar with the plot now. They will be running this campaign for the rest of the generation, if not longer.

Dehnus4524d ago (Edited 4524d ago )

And that is why we Wii60 people coined the phrase:
Sony Fanboys, they don't love their own system, they just hate yours!

Ages ago.

It's true, look on every site a Sony Fanboy can't wait to see your system burn and a huge brand (And those thousands of people without a job) go bankrupt.

BTW: This is not to be confused with the Sony FAN! Those are nice guys that you can talk with and play a game with. Very different from the Fanboy/Girl.

JD_Shadow4522d ago

The problem is that you Wii60 people seem to thing Sony Fanboys are the only fanboys who will do that. You've been trying to pretend others' shit doesn't stink for years now.

Not saying the guy writing this article wasn't biased in any way, but you using the title of a site whose creator denied for years that he didn't have ANYTHING to do with the Sony Defense Force website after he was proven to have EVERYTHING to do with it only hurts your own credibility.

rainslacker4524d ago

Septic. You are one of the few Xbox fans, who often gets mislabeled a fan boy, that I can actually stomach. You are not a kool-aid drinker, and you are one of the few that can put out why you like something without sounding like an apologist. I applaud you for that.

With that said, I will put out a few counter-arguments.:)

Kinect. The hardware doesn't suck, the software does. Most of it anyways. There are too few examples of good motion control gaming. My feelings towards motion control though is that it hasn't breached that hardcore gaming line, which makes it less attractive to those of us on here who overall are considered hardcore gamers.

Resolution. Nope, doesn't really matter. It's nice to have a higher resolution though. Going forward, the only thing that this is representative of to me is that X1 may have trouble in other areas down the line. Resolution is downscaled to keep up with what's going on on screen. If the X1 is already having trouble hitting 1080 this early to maintain visual content, it doesn't bode well for what will be coming out in 3-5 years time. We can hope that devs will find workarounds, but realistically, for multi-plats, this gen has shown that devs don't do that with time constraints. That means either maintaining parity by gimping another version, or not coming to the X1 at all.

Paywall. My only issue here is that MS puts everything behind the pay wall. Even the most common and readily available apps are behind it, which doesn't seem right to me. From a common consumer standpoint, why should they purchase an X1 if they can get similar features without a paywall elsewhere?

Hardware problems I agree with. So far there just hasn't been enough evidence of a huge issue. Certainly nowhere near enough to call anything close to RROD. Sony's had it's reports on some things too, but they've gone mostly unnoticed, or blown off as launch issues. I believe the X1 deserves the same respect here until it becomes more prevalent.

Gazondaily4524d ago

Cheers rain, and back to you mate.

With regard to the Kinect; I'm not actually interested in the motion control gaming- I lost complete interest when I tested it out at Gamescom and witnessed how the interactions were far from 1-to-1 as MS suggested. (THAT was a lie).

I'm talking the other suppporting applications for it, like snap, or recording etc. I have lost count how many times I have inadvertently said "Xbox Volume up" or "xbox mute" when playing the PS4. I've come to rely on it.

Things like facial recognition, 3D facial modelling etc are things that excite me. But still, its early days.

Resolution- I agree. Like I've said before, the gap is only going to get wider between the two next-gen consoles.

darthv724524d ago

nicely said Septic. it is funny how the real apologists are the ones who have no interest in the opposition.

Trying to raise some kind of awareness is, in a sense, a form of apologizing to those who would be willing to listen.

It's okay to like something different and we can be respectable about that but others who have such animosity that it consumes even their free time that would be better served to play what they enjoy....SMH.

dedicatedtogamers4524d ago

Did you even read my post, septic? There I am, first post, top of the page, and what did I say? I'm constantly referred to as "DedicatedToSony" here so I guess we're in the same boat, huh?

"IMO, I'd replace <Xbox fanboy> with <PR kool-aid drinker>. The kool-aid drinkers exist on all platforms, but right now they're the most common with the XBox brand. The kool-aid drinkers were congregated around the PS3 back in 2005-2006."

I don't see how that's a pitchfork against the Xbox One. Perhaps you should put down your own pitchfork against your fellow N4G users.

Gazondaily4523d ago

Well, my comment was just restricted to just your post above.

But I have no pitchforks held up against you...only wide open arms for Tellytubby like hugs.

dedicatedtogamers4523d ago

@ Septic

Hugs all around then. :)

Evilsnuggle4524d ago (Edited 4524d ago )

Here comes team xbox Defence League. Xbox fanBoys Are pure zealots watch them . Every xbox articles here they come to defend there precious Xf. I'm no fanBoy I have owned ever game consoles Nintendo,SONY and Microsoft. I will not be buying a x1. I see no reason why I own a original Xbox and a 360. Got both Xboxes at launch . Original Xbox had get games like kingdom under fire being one . 360 was a bro box I hate all m$ first party games the few that they have. I have Kincet for 360 it's a waste of time most gamers hate it and have good reason to Please tell me how can Kincet improve on Gaming . Even John Carmack Thinks that kinect is a bad idea he is a huge m$ fanBoy. Resolution improves gameplay It make it easy to distinguish characters from the background .Better draw distances Make games easy to see and less frustrating more enjoyable. M$ have been lying through their teeth .They made the decision to go for the casual gamers Kinect is m$ version of the wii . So to keep the cost down they used a weak GPU and added Kincet. All the lies are because they have a weak GPU and they're trying to cover it up plain and simple.This garbage Xbox live gold is superior to PSN is xfanBoys fantasies I play both and both have lag or connection problems at some time. The only real differences voice chat not out of game and PSN IS free. That's you're imagination getting the best of you. MariaHelFutura is right About Xbox Fanboys Are Apologists. The more they defend And except M$ garbage like replacing faulty New hardware with used refurbished consoles The more m$ will take advantage. Look at PS3 it started off really rough I would be the first to say I saw no difference in Graphics in PS3 and 360. I thought For 600 it should look better than the 360. But SONY got a lot of criticism And push back from the gaming press and fans. It help them get their act together. If SONY didn't get all that criticism and push back. The PS4 would not be so easy to use and program for. xfanBoys are going to hurt m$ in the long run because they won't change if you keep defending them.

dedicatedtogamers4524d ago

Okay, but please tell us how you *really* feel.

Ravenor4524d ago

All in one paragraph please.

Godmars2904524d ago (Edited 4524d ago )

While the XB1 is likely good hardware, the policies indented to surround it were not. Were originally intended to make the product into a service.

And as for what makes an apologist, what makes you one Septic, is that you not only pick and choose details to defend, but you and other then refine and redefine those details until they are what you want them to be.

It not that MS lied about resolution, its that they refused to comment on the original DRM when it was just rumor, ignored it during and past when the XB1 was first presented with the focus being on TV, then immediately confirmed post an E3 which focused only on games. That is, they generally refused to talk to the press right after E3, only saying that DRM was immutable but not really describing. Then the 180 happened post Sony's E3 presentation and announcements. That and further spin-doctoring is why MS are considered to be lairs by much of the gaming community at this point.

Its also why many Xbox fans are now being called apologist. The resolution "debate" which includes such points as 720p being better then 1080p are laughable. A literal mole hill on the mountain of the things MS have been reversing themselves on.

Gazondaily4524d ago

"And as for what makes an apologist, what makes you one Septic, is that you not only pick and choose details to defend, but you and other then refine and redefine those details until they are what you want them to be. "

Where did you get that from? Where did I redefine anything? I criticise the resolution but draw attention to the VERY REAL fact that something like Titanfall, the game that received the most awards at E3, is barely a next-gen looking game. Where's the re-definition?

I say the paywall sucks but clarify why it isn't as bad as people make it out.

I'm an apologist? When I was one of the first on here to rip into the X1?

What's funny is, I get PM'd and labelled by you lot but I have gone on record here, SEVERAL TIMES, telling you lot that I PREFER the PS4. I said it on here, on my website, in my videos and I even went on BLOODY TV!:

Watch me from 1:58 onwards:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I actually shake my head a lot of the time I read the posts on here. I still don't get it....I still don't get why on Earth people on here devote SO MUCH energy into berating others for their choice of console.

So many users just aren't level-headed on here. It's like they have an agenda and when I come in, and try and explain the other side of the story (something which I shouldn't really have to do), I get labelled a fanboy or apologist.

I'm no apologist. That's complete utter B.S. If something is wrong, I'll say it straight away. It's why Yannick Boucher from Crytek fame didn't like me, because I said it to his face that Ryse looked mediocre, I even levied my concerns and criticisms to the guys at Guerilla Games about Killzone at Sony launch event. People said I had balls to even go up and say that, but I always try my utmost best to be objective.

I'm no apologist, and come E3 and after a few interviews, you'll see how little I pander to the masses or to a certain group.

Christopher4524d ago

I'm not going to sit here and agree with Maria, but the opposing arguments sound just as silly.

***Why would I want a weaker PS4?***

I don't get this. Not having Kinect makes PS4 weaker? Didn't you just say it's a matter of opinion? Can't everything you do with Kinect be done without it? How is that weaker?

***But, gameplay matters too and look at Titanfall for proof.***

How is this selling the XBO when it's on PC and 360 as well?

***Because prima facie, the Azure system wipes the floor with any network setup Sony has anyway. ***

But... Sony can use the same network setup... Azure is open to third-parties...

***There is such a thing as constructive criticism.***

Then where are they? None of your stuff was constructive. IT was intended to be just as destructive as Maria's, just choosing specific items to destruct in order to play down the PS4 and put up the XBO.

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tl;dr You think you're being more constructive, when in reality you're doing the exact same thing as Maria

Gazondaily4524d ago (Edited 4524d ago )

How on Earth am I doing the exact same thing as Maria?

"***Why would I want a weaker PS4?***

I don't get this. Not having Kinect makes PS4 weaker?"

You misunderstood. When I said a weaker PS4 I meant the Xbox One. The Xbox One is weaker than the PS4. Without the camera, it really has very little to differentiate it from the PS4. It will be a weaker console with inferior specs.

"How is this selling the XBO when it's on PC and 360 as well? "

Because the Xbox One is the only next-gen console to have Titanfall? Tell me, why did I and countless others buy Battlefield 4 on the PS4/X1 when we could have settled for the superior PC version or the inferior current gen version?

There's a reason for that and it should be obvious to you. Also, you completely missed the point I made about the resolution. Titanfall could be a PS4 exclusive for argument's sake and my point would still stand- GAMEPLAY is king. THAT is what I getting at.

"But... Sony can use the same network setup... Azure is open to third-parties... "

But will they? Has there been ANY indication that that will happen on the PS4? Can you give me one example of this?

"Then where are they? None of your stuff was constructive. IT was intended to be just as destructive as Maria's, just choosing specific items to destruct in order to play down the PS4 and put up the XBO. "

How was ANYTHING I posted destructive? You've missed the point completely about two of the things I've said and where on Earth am I berating the PS4's fanbase for its console of choice?? Your comment makes no sense.

TL:DR- You completely missed the point.

Btw, you do realise I have both consoles and actually prefer the PS4 right?

Christopher4524d ago

1. One was misunderstood because of a mistake you made.

2. Who cares if it's on a next-gen console? You're talking gameplay, not consoles. How is having good gameplay in this game selling the XBO when people can just get it for their 360 and PC for the exact same thing?

3. Third-party developers use azure now... and thereby they are utilized on PS4. But, your claim is XBO online is better and this is one reason. Well, your reason doesn't really fit considering they can be used by anyone, doesn't it? And, aren't you just now saying in this portion that this is why XBO is better at this one thing?

4. Your destructive because your primary goal is to deny other comments in one way or another and find any way to deride the other, even off-hand. PS4 might look better, but look at those third-party games on PC! XBO obviously has superior online and always will!

No amount of trying to avoid being antagonistic will hide the fact that you're doing the exact same thing, just without as much "fervor" as Maria.

Gazondaily4523d ago

Oh my days....you are so stubborn.

1. Not really my fault that you didn't comprehend what I said.

2. " How is having good gameplay in this game selling the XBO when people can just get it for their 360 and PC for the exact same thing? "

Firstly, let me draw your attention to the fact that you missed the whole point about the Resolution-debate I was making. In fact, your comment above actually supports the point I made in the first instance:

"It's hardly next-gen looking and most likely won't run at 720p on X1? Does it matter? Well not really when the game is so much fun to play."

Secondly, let me clarify the point, after you digressed from what was the core statement in my first post. The Xbox 360 version of the game is being developed by another company. The PC version will indeed by the superior version (most likely).

Wanna place bets now on which version of the game sells the most? You're telling me that the Xbox One version, the ONLY next-gen console version of the game is of little significance? Why on Earth did I buy BF4 for PS4 and not the PS3 or PC? Why did so many do that? It's not rocket science mate....I want to make use of the X1's features when playing the game.

3. " your claim is XBO online is better and this is one reason....

Hold on, which PS4 game is utilizing the Azure cloud service? Please show me.

And yes, this is my only argument in favour of the X1's potentially superior online service- more comprehensive dedicated server support.

If Sony utilise the Azure system as comprehensively as the X1 then that advantage goes down the toilet. Simple as that.

"Your destructive because your primary goal is to deny other comments in one way or another and find any way to deride the other"

Seriously, what are you on about? Where am I deriding anything?? I stand by every single point I made.

The PS4 has superior multiplats, better value for money, better specs.

The X1 has inferior multiplats, and whilst resolution matters, its not the end of the world. Gameplay is king....right? No? Am I wrong? Because this is what I was getting at.

What was so hard to understand in my first post? Where was I deriding anything?

"No amount of trying to avoid being antagonistic will hide the fact that you're doing the exact same thing, just without as much "fervor" as Maria."

Sigh....you simply don't get it. Maybe the tone is being lost in translation in the post....but this constant need for me to spoon feed points to people is becoming irritating.

But let me quote myself one more time so that you finally get it:

"It's cheaper, it's more powerful, you've got more games coming out for it...I think the controller is better, the camera is not being forced on you, multiplatform games look better on it....you want to get the definitive experience of a multiplatform game, its a no brainer...its the Sony [PS4]...and its a gaming console first...it doesn't try to be a jack of all trades and a master of none....its a master of one and that's gaming.

BOOOM".

Source- me:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

(1:58)

Maybe you struggle to reconcile the fact that I am just that objective...and I am and I don't mean to sound condescending. If these simple points that I made make you think I'm being destructive, then that actually says a lot more about you than it does about me.

If you want to learn to be objective, come see me.

Godmars2904524d ago

"Where did you get that from?"

When you started your section on lying with "Give it time". While I do agree that at this point graphic quality overall isn't that big of a deal, that doesn't forgive the lengths MS went to to make up for the shortcoming. Its just a bad sign that when MS makes a mistake, it seems like their PR goes to nonsense extremes to make up for it. Like suggesting 720p is better than 1080p.

"Where did I redefine anything?"

At the very least, you give no reason to support your "PS4 is weaker" claim, and you seem to think their online and cloud service has already won out over anything Sony will offer despite both having problems, an exchange with how uploads and installs between the XB1 and PS3, with neither likely being what they were promised to be for months.

Again, the point isn't whether or not the XB1 is a decent console, its whether or not MS is a decent company. How they have a fanbase which more than seems to agree with any decision they make.

Gazondaily4523d ago

Okay, I see people are misunderstanding my point. I did NOT say the PS4 is weaker... I'm saying the Xbox One WITHOUT Kinect would simply be like the PS4 but weaker. The X1 is a WEAKER console.

Regarding the cloud service, I said this:

"Because PRIMA FACIE, the Azure system wipes the floor with any network setup Sony has anyway."

Literally, on the face of it, and on paper, the Azure system and its scope is just something I don't think Sony can replicate.

However, say if Cgoodno's point about Sony utilising Azure is true...then of course, that advantage is gone.

" How they have a fanbase which more than seems to agree with any decision they make."

Well, I don't care about the politics so much as the end result. MS being on the backfoot is a brilliant situation to be in. It is a wealthy company and will go as far as it can to try and win back its increasingly despondent 'fanbase'. Essentially this means, more exclusives, more content. Increased competition really. So, screw MS as a company, lets talk about the console.

Godmars2904523d ago

We can only talk about MS the company because that's where all the real problems with the XB1 are. Literally the entire reason their console is in the "backfoot" is because of how its message was so badly mismanaged. Rumors were allowed to rage long out of control, execs said the opposite thing gamers wanted to hear, went silent, then said the opposite thing again. The whole situation was a mess and through it all too many fanboys stood by it as well as made it worse. That's Xbox Sony and a few PC.

And then support for the console has to be considered. Support which when first shown was all about TV. Then support for Kinect where the fanboy side ignored and accepted talk about advertising and spying. Meanwhile titles like Ryse and Crimson Dragon which were made specifically with Kinect in mind were removed from both it and the 360. If anything started the call of apologist it was those two games but especially Ryse.

Likewise MS's 1st party support. Except for all of one exception they have bad history there, are known for habitually throwing more money at 3rd parties for limited exclusive content than building their own infrastructure for two console generation, yet with a third starting and attention divided by TV production, their first real announcement, its somehow expected that they'll give their gaming (sub)division the creative freedom its lacked for over ten years? At the very least a long time Xbox fan should have some doubts.

I've bought three generations of Sony consoles and the least I can say is that their focus on social gaming has me concerned.

Dannycr4523d ago

@Septic "Why concern yourself regarding a console that you NEVER intended to purchase anyway?"

Why? Because if the companies sees that a certain specific business model works for a company, then they will copy it. Case in point, Kinect, PS Move, monthly fees, DRMs, etc.

So that is why EVERYONE should be concerned of what it is accepted.

Also, PS+ is "Semi" required. It has been made clear from the start that it depends on the publisher, i.e: you don't need PS+ to play DC Universe Online, Blacklight: Retribution and some other F2P games.

I am paying for Plus and using the argument of: "you are already paying for it, why are you complaining?" feels extremely mediocre to me. Typical "sheep" behavior. I bought plus because of the extra stuff it gave me. Online Multiplayer is no "extra" it should be free. That is one of the instances where Microsoft damaged the community. Microsoft paved the way on a lot of great things (dashboards, indie content, multiplayer features, etc). but that one is one of those where it screwed all of us up.

Now, regarding Kinect:

"I actually like what MS are doing with Kinect and whilst its not perfect I want to see what the tech will be utilised for the in future. Why would I want a weaker PS4?"

Why are you willing to accept "not so perfect" tech? Are you willing to accept devices that doesn't work as advertised or that it works fine sometimes but some other times it won't? Why don't they just take the time to perfect the tech and then release it? Why allow "barely working" games that will only damage the reputation of the tech to be released?

Gazondaily4523d ago

"@Septic "Why concern yourself regarding a console that you NEVER intended to purchase anyway?"

Why? Because if the companies sees that a certain specific business model works for a company, then they will copy it."

What are you afraid Sony will copy exactly? They made their stance pretty clear have they not?

"[PlayStation Plus] is one of those where it [MS]screwed all of us up. "

Not really. You do realise that PS PLUS as a service most likely wouldn't have even seen light of day had it not been for the pressure MS put on Sony in the online game space right? It was Sony's way of making up for the shortcomings with its online infrastructure.

"Why are you willing to accept "not so perfect" tech?"

Because no tech is perfect, including the PS4. Kinect is still brilliant in my opinion and works rather well considering how ambitious the tech is anyway. I am impressed to this day about the things it does and how well it does it at times.

Dannycr4523d ago (Edited 4523d ago )

* What am I afraid of both Sony and Nintendo copying?

Well, I was afraid I had to pay to play online, and it happened because, first the Xbox Live users accepted it and now the Sony users are Ok with it.

The same thing could have had happened with the ridiculous DRM policies that Microsoft intended to establish.

* I still would have been perfectly fine without PS+. I haven't had a single problem with online multiplayer on PS3, except for the few instances where the service was down, however, I was not referring to PS+. I was talking about Xbox Live Gold memberships. PS+ is not Gold. It is entirely optional (on PS3) and it was made "semi-mandatory" for PS4 as a consequence of seeing how easy Microsoft consumers accepted to pay to play online. This is how "accepting" these policies affects us all regardless of console preferences.

* It is true that no tech is perfect, but it should work as advertised and there are several instances of the tech not performing as advertised. You said the key words: it works great "at times". You and me shouldn't be paying $500.00 to beta-test tech that is being sold as a finished product.

The Oculus Rift seems to work way better and it genuinely adds something to the gameplay experience. At this moment it is being beta tested and you can buy it yourself but you know it is still in the developing phase (although it seems to be working (almost) flawlessly.

WalterWJR4523d ago (Edited 4523d ago )

"Titanfall for proof. It's hardly next-gen looking and most likely won't run at 720p on X1? Does it matter? Well not really when the game is so much fun to play."

How can you site proof of an unreleased game and then go on to tell us it's so fun to play. The game is NOT OUT. Get off the hype train, you are a marketers dream mate, bought solely through $ bills and hype.

starchild4523d ago

Thanks for being one of the last sane voices on N4G, Septic. You have opinions, but those opinions don't absurdly and consistently line up in favor of only one platform--i.e. Xbox, PC, Wii bad; Playstation good--like so many of the fanboys that frequent this site.

I like Sony's consoles. The PS3 was my favorite console last generation and the PS4 could very well turn out to be my favorite console this generation, but I can't stomach the extreme bias and hateful irrationality so prevalent on N4G and other gaming sites.

CrossingEden4522d ago (Edited 4522d ago )

Thank you. Can't decide between bubbling up for well said or intelligence.

tee_bag2424521d ago

Well said. This article reminds me of the saying "the pot calling the kettle black".

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AilonTrusk4524d ago

MisterX....who would be MisterX's equivalent in the sony fanbase?

pyramidshead4523d ago

He is an anomaly of pure conspiracy. There is probably no equal. If there was secret power within the PS4 people would either know or Sony would be hounding it from the roof tops but there's a reason they don't need to. They need no conspiracy theorist or toxic religious sect who own a live journal blog to divulge into crack pot theories and industry wars.

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Jin_Sakai20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio20d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing20d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9220d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit20d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing20d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9220d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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